membengal Posted May 17, 2023 Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 LOL - those teams partially guaranteeing contracts to UDFAs are already starting to get cut following rookie mini-camps - Quote In the days after the draft concludes, much is made of the undrafted free agents who finagle significant guarantees. For some players, those guarantees don’t even guarantee a job until Memorial Day. This year, multiple players with partially guaranteed contracts were released after participating in rookie minicamps. The players who found themselves go from having partially guaranteed contracts to no employment as of Monday include Broncos defensive back Darrious Gaines, Broncos running back Emmanuel Wilson, Jaguars defensive end Jayson Ademilola, Dolphins tackle Jarrett Horst, and Dolphins tackle Alex Jensen. It’s not a new dynamic. As one experienced evaluator of talent observed, it’s an annual ritual. Teams sign undrafted free agents, guarantee base salaries, and cut them after rookie minicamp. “I wonder if owners even realize it,” the source remarked. The players need to realize that the partial guarantee means nothing. One bad showing at rookie minicamp can be enough to get the team to conclude that, despite all information gathered during the pre-draft process, the player in question simply doesn’t have it. Although dumping them quickly acknowledges that the decision to guarantee a portion of the contract was a mistake, it avoids the complication of doubling down, making one mistake into two by keeping a player on the team simply because he received a partially-guaranteed contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted May 17, 2023 Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 Those guarantees usually have offsets in them so if the player signs somewhere else, it lets the first team off the hook, apart from the signing bonus. If team 2 cuts the player, then team 1 is back on the hook until team 3 claims him, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted May 20, 2023 Report Share Posted May 20, 2023 On 5/17/2023 at 7:25 AM, membengal said: LOL - those teams partially guaranteeing contracts to UDFAs are already starting to get cut following rookie mini-camps - Can any of them block? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted May 20, 2023 Report Share Posted May 20, 2023 7 hours ago, T-Dub said: Can any of them block? Can Joe Mixon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted May 20, 2023 Report Share Posted May 20, 2023 Reader- he cannot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted May 20, 2023 Report Share Posted May 20, 2023 2 hours ago, High School Harry said: Can Joe Mixon? Sure he can. But he won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Ray Posted May 20, 2023 Report Share Posted May 20, 2023 Money like this means nothing to NFL owners. These signings have no impact on the salary cap. That's all that matters and I don't know how many owners even understand that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted May 21, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2023 10 hours ago, Sea Ray said: Money like this means nothing to NFL owners. These signings have no impact on the salary cap. That's all that matters and I don't know how many owners even understand that How would this money have no impact on the salary cap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Ray Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 On 5/20/2023 at 11:30 PM, MichaelWeston said: How would this money have no impact on the salary cap? These guys are pretty much paid the minimum and those guys have no impact on the cap. The salary cap is determined by adding up the contracts of the top 51 players on your roster. The guys beyond that have no impact: Quote The top-51 rule is simple: from the start of the new NFL league year in early March until the first week of the regular NFL season in September, only the 51 most expensive contracts actually count against a team’s salary cap. https://www.thefalcoholic.com/2020/6/2/21278326/nfl-top-51-rule-explained-how-much-cap-space-will-it-really-cost-to-sign-the-falcons-draft-class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted May 22, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Sea Ray said: These guys are pretty much paid the minimum and those guys have no impact on the cap. The salary cap is determined by adding up the contracts of the top 51 players on your roster. The guys beyond that have no impact: https://www.thefalcoholic.com/2020/6/2/21278326/nfl-top-51-rule-explained-how-much-cap-space-will-it-really-cost-to-sign-the-falcons-draft-class Thats salary. These are guaranteed contracts. I assume they count as bonuses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Ray Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 2 hours ago, MichaelWeston said: That's salary. These are guaranteed contracts. I assume they count as bonuses? If it's less than the salary of the salary of the 51st man would it even count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 4 hours ago, MichaelWeston said: Thats salary. These are guaranteed contracts. I assume they count as bonuses? Teams are guaranteeing parts of the salary for some prized UDFAs. In effect they are guaranteeing them a job on the practice squad though the guarantee is subject to offset. Bengals apparently only spent a total of $35K for all their UDFAs with 25K of that going to one player, a DT. It's not surprising we didn't get some of the better undrafted players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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