Jamie_B Posted October 2, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 5 hours ago, Catfish Bob said: They want all vehicles to be on demand rentals. They can rake in just as much money as they are now if not more while also producing 1/100th of the vehicles that they do today. While substantially lowering their carbon footprint. They'll earn billions in carbon credits. If you don't know anything about carbon credits and its markets. That's a whole giant beast in of itself. But yeah they ain't telling any of this to the Joe blow normies that are striking. You've been able to rent cars for decades, and yet the ability to own your own is still there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catfish Bob Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Jamie_B said: You've been able to rent cars for decades, and yet the ability to own your own is still there. Correct. However they want to change that. They won't take away the ability. What they'll do is price everyone out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted October 2, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Catfish Bob said: Correct. However they want to change that. They won't take away the ability. What they'll do is price everyone out. That would be a major loss in a source of income for the car manufactures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 15 hours ago, Catfish Bob said: 1st off the people who run this planet "WEF" want to reduce private vehicle ownership 90% by 2030. So you believe Klaus Schwab runs the runs world through the WEF and because he was wearing this robe he's evil...got it. Anyone who wears a black outfit is evil, just like Star Wars..that's logical Quote 2nd they have the life like robots on deck ready to roll any day now. They have been mass producing them since 2021. Really, and you know this how? Is it like the movie "I Robot" with Will Smith? Are these life-like robots being built to replace auto workers? How do you know so much info that is not common knowledge? Are you apart of the Illuminati? Quote 3rd I started out in these factories out of high school. I know that the jobs are unskilled. I used to do them for 50 plus hours a week. The only skill they require is to not mentally go crazy from doing the same thing over and over everyday. So you worked in a factory decades ago and that makes you the expert on whether skilled labor exists in factories in 2023, that's like saying I played football in high school and I'm better than _________". That is silly and delusional. Did you work in an auto plant or were you working in a widget factory? You know not all factories are the same right? Quote f the first two don't ring any bells then I cant help ya understand. Ford is going right along with the plan to reduce private vehicle ownership. I guess that goes above everyone's head and they just want to focus on how much the ceo makes compared to what they make. Even though their jobs are on borrowed time. So in your mind, you know more about the future of the auto industry than the leaders of the UAW, got it...what color is the sky in your world? How many Super Bowls have the Bengals won in Catfish Bob World? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer_Rice Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 The Life and Death Stakes of Labor Power - Inequality kills, and it's getting worse. "A college degree is not an achievement worthy of admiration so much as it is one more example of capitalism’s tendency to see any life necessity as a good place to erect a tollbooth." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catfish Bob Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 4 hours ago, Jamie_B said: That would be a major loss in a source of income for the car manufactures. Not really when you consider the billions they will get in carbon credits. Also if they're selling a 50k truck. Do they make more selling it for 50k or having it rented everyday for $200 a day? That 200 is on the low side and that comes out to 73k a year. Making more with less overhead. Also FORD finances most their vehicles to buyers which is killing them because of rising rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted October 2, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 6 minutes ago, Catfish Bob said: Not really when you consider the billions they will get in carbon credits. Also if they're selling a 50k truck. Do they make more selling it for 50k or having it rented everyday for $200 a day? That 200 is on the low side and that comes out to 73k a year. Making more with less overhead. Also FORD finances most their vehicles to buyers which is killing them because of rising rates. Here’s Why Fewer Consumers Are Leasing Cars These Days (forbes.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catfish Bob Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 4 hours ago, PatternMaster said: So you believe Klaus Schwab runs the runs world through the WEF and because he was wearing this robe he's evil...got it. Anyone who wears a black outfit is evil, just like Star Wars..that's logical Really, and you know this how? Is it like the movie "I Robot" with Will Smith? Are these life-like robots being built to replace auto workers? How do you know so much info that is not common knowledge? Are you apart of the Illuminati? So you worked in a factory decades ago and that makes you the expert on whether skilled labor exists in factories in 2023, that's like saying I played football in high school and I'm better than _________". That is silly and delusional. Did you work in an auto plant or were you working in a widget factory? You know not all factories are the same right? So in your mind, you know more about the future of the auto industry than the leaders of the UAW, got it...what color is the sky in your world? How many Super Bowls have the Bengals won in Catfish Bob World? So you believe Klaus Schwab runs the runs world through the WEF and because he was wearing this robe he's evil...got it. It doesn't matter what I believe because its fact. All of the S&P 500 and some are members of the WEF working together to bring his visions of the world as it should be. You can ignore that all you want. You can ignore what they say themselves as conspiracy or whatever. I dont play that game. I like knowing or at least thinking I somewhat know wtf is going on. Really, and you know this how? Is it like the movie "I Robot" with Will Smith? Are these life-like robots being built to replace auto workers? How do you know so much info that is not common knowledge? Are you apart of the Illuminati? No. I'm a member of an investment company and it was my assignment to research robotic companies for possible investments. So yes I know way more about robots than the average person. You know what the #1 selling robot is to non industrial consumers?? Sex robots are #1. The most disturbing thing is that within that category of robot the #1 selling sex robot worldwide are robots made to be like human infants. Yes infant robots that are used for sexual pleasure. That's how fucked up this world is. So you worked in a factory decades ago and that makes you the expert on whether skilled labor exists in factories in 2023, that's like saying I played football in high school and I'm better than _________". That is silly and delusional. Did you work in an auto plant or were you working in a widget factory? You know not all factories are the same right? Ah no. I'm only 30 years old. Here in Louisville where we have two plants. I've worked in both and after that I work for government contractor where we would modify the trucks straight out of the factory. Is it too far fetched that the UAW leaders aren't in the back pocket like every other leader in this country? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shebengal Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 Really, and you know this how? Is it like the movie "I Robot" with Will Smith? Are these life-like robots being built to replace auto workers? How do you know so much info that is not common knowledge? Are you apart of the Illuminati? No. I'm a member of an investment company and it was my assignment to research robotic companies for possible investments. So yes I know way more about robots than the average person. You know what the #1 selling robot is to non industrial consumers?? Sex robots are #1. The most disturbing thing is that within category of robot the #1 selling sex robot worldwide are robots made to be like human infants. Yes infant robots that are used for sexual pleasure. That's how fucked up this world is. I'm not going to even pretend to know what the WEF is or renting trucks vs. buying them, but this? Ewww. That is seriously screwed up. FWIW-Our philosophy on buying cars is buy them used, pay cash, and drive them until they die. We usually get 7-8 years out of them at least before we junk them, sometimes even more. My dad used to buy a new car every 10 years or so, but then decided about in 2010 that he was going to lease a car because he was 84 years old at the time and he thought it would be his last new car. Well, the lease came due and he was still alive, so he leased another new car, thinking it would be his last car. That lease came due so he leased another new car, thinking that would be his last car. That lease came due so he leased another new car. That one was his last car. LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catfish Bob Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 13 minutes ago, Shebengal said: Really, and you know this how? Is it like the movie "I Robot" with Will Smith? Are these life-like robots being built to replace auto workers? How do you know so much info that is not common knowledge? Are you apart of the Illuminati? No. I'm a member of an investment company and it was my assignment to research robotic companies for possible investments. So yes I know way more about robots than the average person. You know what the #1 selling robot is to non industrial consumers?? Sex robots are #1. The most disturbing thing is that within category of robot the #1 selling sex robot worldwide are robots made to be like human infants. Yes infant robots that are used for sexual pleasure. That's how fucked up this world is. I'm not going to even pretend to know what the WEF is or renting trucks vs. buying them, but this? Ewww. That is seriously screwed up. FWIW-Our philosophy on buying cars is buy them used, pay cash, and drive them until they die. We usually get 7-8 years out of them at least before we junk them, sometimes even more. I think you are looking at it more like HERTZ rent a car or something. That is not what they envision. IDK if yall got those BIRD scooters up there that seem to be littered everywhere down here. It will be more like that. You log into an app and the vehicle comes to you. I get ya on having older vehicles. I have a whole fleet of work trucks and the newest is a 2004. However how much longer will we be able to drive older stuff until they say it is too unfit for the planet? Maybe they don't make them illegal but they tax the heck out them. That's coming. Rather believe in global warming or not. Its coming down eventually. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted October 2, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Catfish Bob said: I think you are looking at it more like HERTZ rent a car or something. That is not what they envision. IDK if yall got those BIRD scooters up there that seem to be littered everywhere down here. It will be more like that. You log into an app and the vehicle comes to you. I get ya on having older vehicles. I have a whole fleet of work trucks and the newest is a 2004. However how much longer will we be able to drive older stuff until they say it is too unfit for the planet? Maybe they don't make them illegal but they tax the heck out them. That's coming. Rather believe in global warming or not. Its coming down eventually. My problem with this thinking is that it kills industries like Uber or even the car makers themselves, not to mention this kind of thing would only work in cities anyway. There is no way you are going to rent a car for a cross country trip. Or even be able to get around in rural areas. I'm having trouble holding this position to scrutiny. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shebengal Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, Catfish Bob said: I think you are looking at it more like HERTZ rent a car or something. That is not what they envision. IDK if yall got those BIRD scooters up there that seem to be littered everywhere down here. It will be more like that. You log into an app and the vehicle comes to you. I get ya on having older vehicles. I have a whole fleet of work trucks and the newest is a 2004. However how much longer will we be able to drive older stuff until they say it is too unfit for the planet? Maybe they don't make them illegal but they tax the heck out them. That's coming. Rather believe in global warming or not. Its coming down eventually. Yes, we have the Bird Scooters, the Lime Scooters, and just about any of the scooters that are out there and since I live in a progressive neighborhood 2 miles north of the OSU campus, they are constantly littering everywhere. I'm not sure if you're in Ohio or not, but I do believe that they tax EVs extra because they don't use gas so the state can't get the gas tax from them at the pump. So, I guess they will get you coming or going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catfish Bob Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: My problem with this thinking is that it kills industries like Uber or even the car makers themselves, not to mention this kind of thing would only work in cities anyway. There is no way you are going to rent a car for a cross country trip. Or even be able to get around in rural areas. I'm having trouble holding this position to scrutiny. Well Im sure by now October 2nd 2023 somewhere your ears picked up a term called "smart cities." If rural people can't get around that is a bonus in their eyes. They want them off the land. They want the land for the corporations. So that they can make sure it is managed the best in accordance with global warming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catfish Bob Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 7 minutes ago, Shebengal said: Yes, we have the Bird Scooters, the Lime Scooters, and just about any of the scooters that are out there and since I live in a progressive neighborhood 2 miles north of the OSU campus, they are constantly littering everywhere. I'm not sure if you're in Ohio or not, but I do believe that they tax EVs extra because they don't use gas so the state can't get the gas tax from them at the pump. So, I guess they will get you coming or going. I don't think EVs are currently taxed any differently than just assumed overall value right now here in Ky. But yes they want to get the tax on a per mile basis. Imagine having a Tesla and charging it on solar. lol they gon get ya anyway. No hidng at all. Bicycles are their answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted October 2, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 Just now, Catfish Bob said: Well Im sure by now October 2nd 2023 somewhere your ears picked up a term called smart cities. If rural people can't get around that is a bonus in their eyes. They want them off the land. They want the land for the corporations only. There is zero chance that that happens. They are already trying to get rid of the post office, which is the only one of the delivery services that delivers to rural areas. If they are successful, you will not have the ability to get medications delivered to your home, the only way to get stuff like this, not mention your groceries, is by car. If you can't get your groceries or medications you are effectively talking about killing off rural people, and that just isn't going to happen. Again, this doesn't hold up to scrutiny. If I am to believe this and not roll my eyes to it being nonsensical conspiracy theory, it has to hold up to scrutiny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catfish Bob Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Jamie_B said: There is zero chance that that happens. They are already trying to get rid of the post office, which is the only one of the delivery services that delivers to rural areas. If they are successful, you will not have the ability to get medications delivered to your home, the only way to get stuff like this, not mention your groceries, is by car. If you can't get your groceries or medications you are effectively talking about killing off rural people, and that just isn't going to happen. Again, this doesn't hold up to scrutiny. If I am to believe this and not roll my eyes to it being nonsensical conspiracy theory, it has to hold up to scrutiny Exactly. It wont be 'killing anyone" when they offer everyone a free 500 sq ft studio apartment with appliances. If they don't take that offer then they are killing themselves. That's how it will be portrayed anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted October 2, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Catfish Bob said: Exactly. It wont be 'killing anyone" when they offer everyone a free 500 sq ft studio apartment with appliances. If they don't take that offer then they are killing themselves. That's how it will be portrayed anyway. That isn't going to happen either. We already live in a country where people lose their collective shit over the idea of anything being "free". You think you are going to get rural people moving into cities for free apartments and it not blow the collective minds of a certain type of voters? Because they wont build those apartments in the rural area, because that's cost prohibitive The stuff people just willingly believe without any critical thinking about it amazes me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catfish Bob Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 9 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: That isn't going to happen either. We already live in a country where people lose their collective shit over the idea of anything being "free". You think you are going to get rural people moving into cities for free apartments and it not blow the collective minds of a certain type of voters? Because they wont build those apartments in the rural area, because that's cost prohibitive The stuff people just willingly believe without any critical thinking about it amazes me. lol it was never my intention to amaze you lol Look. lol You're talking about voters. Yeah I never really believed that voting is real. Maybe my first ever election cycle after turning 18. But since then naw. I don't even vote anymore. If the votes actually count then my vote is a no vote because they all blow chunks. All it takes is for another event and people will line up to move into the free studio apartments. It will be played as finally helping Americans instead of sending the money all over. It could be an agreement that WW3 ground battles on American soil take place outside of cities and in rural areas. All kinds of possibilities to make it happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted October 2, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 3 hours ago, Catfish Bob said: lol it was never my intention to amaze you lol Look. lol You're talking about voters. Yeah I never really believed that voting is real. Maybe my first ever election cycle after turning 18. But since then naw. I don't even vote anymore. If the votes actually count then my vote is a no vote because they all blow chunks. All it takes is for another event and people will line up to move into the free studio apartments. It will be played as finally helping Americans instead of sending the money all over. It could be an agreement that WW3 ground battles on American soil take place outside of cities and in rural areas. All kinds of possibilities to make it happen. I'm not even against free housing for the homeless, I think it would save us alot of money that we already spend on them. But that will never work in rural areas. However this is all divorced from reality. Of course voting is real. But it's not just a segment the voters that would lose their collective shit. You're talking about the car makers losing an entire segment of their revenue and the share holders of these corporations would never have that. I really just can't with some of these nonsensical conspiracy theories. Let's get real here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted October 3, 2023 Report Share Posted October 3, 2023 12 hours ago, PatternMaster said: So you believe Klaus Schwab runs the runs world through the WEF and because he was wearing this robe he's evil...got it. Anyone who wears a black outfit is evil, just like Star Wars..that's logical Really, and you know this how? Is it like the movie "I Robot" with Will Smith? Are these life-like robots being built to replace auto workers? How do you know so much info that is not common knowledge? Are you apart of the Illuminati? So you worked in a factory decades ago and that makes you the expert on whether skilled labor exists in factories in 2023, that's like saying I played football in high school and I'm better than _________". That is silly and delusional. Did you work in an auto plant or were you working in a widget factory? You know not all factories are the same right? So in your mind, you know more about the future of the auto industry than the leaders of the UAW, got it...what color is the sky in your world? How many Super Bowls have the Bengals won in Catfish Bob World? Your comments were bad to the bone PM. Truth is what you say . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted October 3, 2023 Report Share Posted October 3, 2023 The World is afraid to tell the truth.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted October 3, 2023 Report Share Posted October 3, 2023 On 10/2/2023 at 3:02 PM, Catfish Bob said: So you believe Klaus Schwab runs the runs world through the WEF and because he was wearing this robe he's evil...got it. It doesn't matter what I believe because its fact. All of the S&P 500 and some are members of the WEF working together to bring his visions of the world as it should be. You can ignore that all you want. You can ignore what they say themselves as conspiracy or whatever. I dont play that game. I like knowing or at least thinking I somewhat know wtf is going on. These companies are members of the WEF and some of them meet in Davos for a conference on a yearly basis, but based on what I know about that event they are not working on bringing Klaus's" visions for the world as it should be". No one is ignoring the influence of the WEF, but I don't believe every CEO of a Fortune 500 company is following a WEF agenda. They are focused on increasing shareholder value, because if they don't then they won't be the CEO for too much longer. Quote Really, and you know this how? Is it like the movie "I Robot" with Will Smith? Are these life-like robots being built to replace auto workers? How do you know so much info that is not common knowledge? Are you apart of the Illuminati? No. I'm a member of an investment company and it was my assignment to research robotic companies for possible investments. So yes I know way more about robots than the average person. You know what the #1 selling robot is to non industrial consumers?? Sex robots are #1. The most disturbing thing is that within that category of robot the #1 selling sex robot worldwide are robots made to be like human infants. Yes infant robots that are used for sexual pleasure. That's how fucked up this world is. Infant sex robots are extremely disturbing but better than real babies. That still doesn't address your original claim of life-like robots standing ready to replace human auto workers. I get it, you're an analyst who covers the robotics industry, very cool...but instead of telling me about sex robots, what company is mass-producing human-like robots that can replace human auto workers? I'm a Financial Advisor and I own my own RIA so I'm looking for some good investment opportunities. Quote So you worked in a factory decades ago and that makes you the expert on whether skilled labor exists in factories in 2023, that's like saying I played football in high school and I'm better than _________". That is silly and delusional. Did you work in an auto plant or were you working in a widget factory? You know not all factories are the same right? Ah no. I'm only 30 years old. Here in Louisville where we have two plants. I've worked in both and after that I work for government contractor where we would modify the trucks straight out of the factory. Is it too far fetched that the UAW leaders aren't in the back pocket like every other leader in this country? It's not too far-fetched but it would be counter to their goals and make them extremely ineffective leaders. I'm sure it is possible, but I doubt they would be striking and trying to get more money from the Big 3 now if they were in the back pockets of the CEOs of the Big 3. It is easy to make outlandish claims without any real proof or evidence and I'm sure there might be some truth to what you are claiming, however, my life experience has taught me that oftentimes times we fill in the blanks with sensational, worst-case scenarios when we don't have the facts and the majority of the time we are just using our imagination to rationalize things we fear or don't understand. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shebengal Posted October 3, 2023 Report Share Posted October 3, 2023 21 hours ago, Catfish Bob said: I don't think EVs are currently taxed any differently than just assumed overall value right now here in Ky. But yes they want to get the tax on a per mile basis. Imagine having a Tesla and charging it on solar. lol they gon get ya anyway. No hidng at all. Bicycles are their answer. Ohio does charge an extra $100.00/year to register a hybrid and $200.00/year to register a plug in hybrid or a full EV. https://www.bmv.ohio.gov/doc-fees.aspx Legislation has been proposed to reduce or eliminate these fees but to my knowledge, has not been passed yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catfish Bob Posted October 6, 2023 Report Share Posted October 6, 2023 On 10/3/2023 at 9:37 AM, PatternMaster said: These companies are members of the WEF and some of them meet in Davos for a conference on a yearly basis, but based on what I know about that event they are not working on bringing Klaus's" visions for the world as it should be". No one is ignoring the influence of the WEF, but I don't believe every CEO of a Fortune 500 company is following a WEF agenda. It doesnt matter what you believe. The average normie believes all kinds of fictional bullshit. You probably believe that the moon is some magical floating rock. You probably believe that 2 planes knocked down 3 skyscrapers on 9/11. You probably believe that a commercial airliner glided a few feet off the ground and crashed into the office of the pentagon where they were investigating the missing $2 trillion that Rumsfield mentioned just the day before. You probably believe in the moon landing. You probably believe in trusting the science. You probably believe that Joe Biden is real. You probably believe that the kelece and swift relationship is unscripted. You probably believe that the NFL isn't scripted either. On and on. Yall average normies believe more bullshit than anyone else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer_Rice Posted October 6, 2023 Report Share Posted October 6, 2023 My secular opinion: There is nothing worse than an ill-informed nutcase howling at the moon. Here is a better piece, although not perfect: Rob Urie: Americans Are Unleashing Monsters They Have No Idea How to Contain 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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