How Tarrifs work

[Jamie_B]

 

[claptonrocks]

11 hours ago, Jamie_B said:

 

The tariffs are not to benefit from he pric s if products initially 

President Trump is using them against Mexico and other S American countries to stop their infiltrated pric s that Biden caused.

It's to send a hard message that until you stop sending the illegals here.

Cost money but eventually it helps America to rid of them.

[T-Dub]

32 minutes ago, claptonrocks said:

The tariffs are not to benefit from he pric s if products initially 

President Trump is using them against Mexico and other S American countries to stop their infiltrated pric s that Biden caused.

It's to send a hard message that until you stop sending the illegals here.

Cost money but eventually it helps America to rid of them.

 

 

 

This is such a fundamental misunderstanding of everything mentioned that I don't even know where to start.

 

It's like spotting someone on the side of the road drinking paint from the can.  What can you do?

[Jamie_B]

8 hours ago, claptonrocks said:

The tariffs are not to benefit from he pric s if products initially 

President Trump is using them against Mexico and other S American countries to stop their infiltrated pric s that Biden caused.

It's to send a hard message that until you stop sending the illegals here.

Cost money but eventually it helps America to rid of them.

 

Can you rewrite this post, I'm not following what you're trying to say here. That first sentence especially.... if products initially what?

[Jamie_B]

Mexican President has said for every tariff put on them they will respond in kind.

 

He's going to start a trade war and really hurt this economy.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/26/world/video/mexican-president-responds-trump-tariffs-digvid

[CincyInDC]

Threatening the man-toddler will not end well for anyone.

[T-Dub]

Hope everyone can budget for fresh vegetables in the winter. Where do these idiots think bananas come from? Hint: not Ohio.

 

Maybe the closest they get is telling the drive thru worker to hold the lettuce? 

 

Better make any electronics purchase we've been putting off because the cost of that upgrade is about to go vertical.

 

And they want to shitcan the SEC, FCC, Federal Reserve..  May as well shutter the DoE (energy? Education? Fuck it, why not both?) since obviously these homeschool, bible school, tide pod Ipad kids don't need it. What's a few oil spills if I can save 10 dollars commuting in my 3mpg dualie truck. All those parts are made in America right? Besides, we all know tariffs are paid by the targeted country's government, right? 

 

The economy is saved! Great job everyone!! That starving migrant caravan (that was definitely going to swarm the border any day now) will turn right around once they see us paying $5 for an avocado. Brilliant.

[Shebengal]

And while you’re at it, if you were planning on buying a newly built house, better do that now before the price of wood goes up. 
 

I wonder how many MAGATs drink Modelo, Corona, Dos Equis, Labatt Blue, or Molson. Going to cost more for those, too.

[T-Dub]

8 hours ago, Shebengal said:

And while you’re at it, if you were planning on buying a newly built house, better do that now before the price of wood goes up. 
 

I wonder how many MAGATs drink Modelo, Corona, Dos Equis, Labatt Blue, or Molson. Going to cost more for those, too.

 

It's everything.  Beer cans - the world's largest supplier of aluminum? China. Most people wear shoes. If I need a new can opener I can get one for pocket change at any discount store and it definitely won't be American-made.  The "supply chain issues" that were an excuse to price gouge are going to get very real.

 

The US (if not global) economy is wholly dependent on exploiting foreign labor.  We've caused untold suffering & bloodshed all around the world perpetuating the gross inequalities that make it possible.  We spent half the 20th century destabilizing the Latin American & Caribbean countries most of these refugees are fleeing.

 

I think the oligarchs pulling Trump's strings know this, which is why I expect in the end he'll roll out something much more limited.  It'll be equally ineffectual as far as his immigration policy, the unintended consequences will be more contained, and his faithful will still applaud it as a yuge victory regardless.

[Homer_Rice]

Industrial Policy:

 

 

The entire series is worth watching for the layperson in economics:

 

 

[Homer_Rice]

On 11/27/2024 at 12:40 AM, claptonrocks said:

The tariffs are not to benefit from he pric s if products initially 

President Trump is using them against Mexico and other S American countries to stop their infiltrated pric s that Biden caused.

It's to send a hard message that until you stop sending the illegals here.

Cost money but eventually it helps America to rid of them.

 

You have accurately described one important aspect of Trump's protectionism. If this is all there is to it, it's doomed to failure.

[claptonrocks]

On 11/29/2024 at 9:37 PM, Homer_Rice said:

 

You have accurately described one important aspect of Trump's protectionism. If this is all there is to it, it's doomed to failure.

I don't believe that.

First off he's using a scare tactic to Mexico to turn the migrants around and not to our borders..

It's up to the Mexican President if she wants to chance it.

The world tarrifs on the US isnt equal.

Presid NT Trump wants to rectify both .

 

BTE ..Whos running the country right now?

Seriously.....

[T-Dub]

21 minutes ago, claptonrocks said:

I don't believe that.

First off he's using a scare tactic to Mexico to turn the migrants around and not to our borders..

It's up to the Mexican President if she wants to chance it.

The world tarrifs on the US isnt equal.

Presid NT Trump wants to rectify both .

 

 

 

 

Dude.. you need to understand that foreign governments don't pay the tariff.  The company, for example Dole, pays the tariff on the banana (or whatever.)  Then they of course raise their prices to cover their cost.  Then we pay more for bananas (and pretty much everything else), or do without. I can't tell what you think tariffs are beyond some kind of magic spell, but it's actually not all that complicated.

 

That aside, why do you think Claudia Sheinbaum (that's the Pres of Mexico) has the ability to stop migrants (I notice you're no longer specifying "illegal")??

 

You think people that have given up their life savings, left behind family & everything they know to risk a dangerous & deadly border crossing to escape extreme violence & poverty are going to change their minds because..  what, the President of a country many of them aren't even from waggles a finger at them?

 

If you're genuinely concerned about immigration along the southern border you should probably try to get a better understanding of what it is and how it works beyond TV shows and politicians yelling at you about it.

 

Javier Zamora's "Solito" is a really good book about his experience as a Salvadoran refugee being smuggled into the US at 9 years old.  You may not gain any sympathy but at least you'll have a clearer understanding of how it happens & the process involved. Spoiler alert:  At no time does he consult the President of Mexico.

 

 

[claptonrocks]

1 hour ago, T-Dub said:

 

 

Dude.. you need to understand that foreign governments don't pay the tariff.  The company, for example Dole, pays the tariff on the banana (or whatever.)  Then they of course raise their prices to cover their cost.  Then we pay more for bananas (and pretty much everything else), or do without. I can't tell what you think tariffs are beyond some kind of magic spell, but it's actually not all that complicated.

 

That aside, why do you think Claudia Sheinbaum (that's the Pres of Mexico) has the ability to stop migrants (I notice you're no longer specifying "illegal")??

 

You think people that have given up their life savings, left behind family & everything they know to risk a dangerous & deadly border crossing to escape extreme violence & poverty are going to change their minds because..  what, the President of a country many of them aren't even from waggles a finger at them?

 

If you're genuinely concerned about immigration along the southern border you should probably try to get a better understanding of what it is and how it works beyond TV shows and politicians yelling at you about it.

 

Javier Zamora's "Solito" is a really good book about his experience as a Salvadoran refugee being smuggled into the US at 9 years old.  You may not gain any sympathy but at least you'll have a clearer understanding of how it happens & the process involved. Spoiler alert:  At no time does he consult the President of Mexico.

 

 

Point taken.

[T-Dub]

34 minutes ago, claptonrocks said:

Point taken.

🍻cheers.  and that honestly is a good book too, not overly political or prone to editorializing.  more of a survival story, really.  Shouldn't be hard to find if you're interested, I had a library copy myself.

[claptonrocks]

2 hours ago, T-Dub said:

🍻cheers.  and that honestly is a good book too, not overly political or prone to editorializing.  more of a survival story, really.  Shouldn't be hard to find if you're interested, I had a library copy myself.

I am interested.

Tks for info Dub.