It Took 13 Weeks, But the Reality of Futility Has Finally Forced Its Way Into the Cincinnati Bengals Locker Room

[UncleEarl]

2 hours ago, Jamie_B said:

 

No I think the Vets are in a position where some of them are washed, and some of them are having to do more than they should because the young guys we have have not come along.

 

Let me put it this way. 

 

What defensive player that we have drafted under the Taylor regime do you think is playing well?

Tycen Anderson has been a ST stud. Never given a shot in spite of awful safeties.  
 

Guys being washed doesn’t make them suddenly unable to understand their job.  They just can’t do it.  I have watched vets being confused.  Players trying to cover for others instead of doing their job is also on coaching.  These guys aren’t listening, aren’t understanding, or just don’t care.  All on coaching.  
 

I get the talent level isn’t great, but a defense this bad can’t be explained by just inferior talent.  These guys are a mess and it Anuromo’s job for them not to be. 

[Jamie_B]

1 minute ago, UncleEarl said:

Tycen Anderson has been a ST stud. Never given a shot in spite of awful safeties.  
 

Guys being washed doesn’t make them suddenly unable to understand their job.  They just can’t do it.  I have watched vets being confused.  Players trying to cover for others instead of doing their job is also on coaching.  These guys aren’t listening, aren’t understanding, or just don’t care.  All on coaching.  
 

I get the talent level isn’t great, but a defense this bad can’t be explained by just inferior talent.  These guys are a mess and it Anuromo’s job for them not to be. 

 

Anderson for the first time in his career this season might actually finish a season healthy. 

 

Are you sure you are watching them not understand their job or them not able to do it? How do you tell the difference?

[UncleEarl]

Just now, Jamie_B said:

 

Anderson for the first time in his career this season might actually finish a season healthy. 

 

Are you sure you are watching them not understand their job or them not able to do it? How do you tell the difference?

I’m no expert, but in zone defense when guys are on top of each other and areas are wide open, they don’t know what they are doing. 

[Jamie_B]

3 minutes ago, LostInDaJungle said:

Ok... So what changed? Were Duke Tobin and Katie Blackburn not here during the Marvin years as well??

I mean... You almost couldn't prove my point any better. The same people keep buying the groceries... And the meal now tastes like shit. And you think the chef has nothing to do with it?

This isn't a situation where Lou is getting all he can from a handicapped unit. At best, he's struggling at a historic level with marginal talent, if you want to be generous. I don't think the talent is that marginal.  And given current results... I'm down for changing the chef and seeing if the meal improves. Period.

 

Again... This is shaping up to be one of the worst defenses since the merger in 1970. They're already setting records for "Since 2000"... Kevin Kaesviharn is seeing team records broken and we're the damn Bengals. Defending Lou Anarumo at this point is just ponderous. Because at this point the "Why" doesn't matter. Hell, keeping Lou is a tacit admission that the FO knows they hired all of the wrong guys, and an acceptance of this as being "good work" that gets you rehired.

Players get worse under Anarumo. From Geno Stone to CTB and Jordan Battle. FA's, draftees... Outside of one good year where Bates did a Pro-Bowl job of limiting the bleeding and the defense got credit for giving up a lot of yards but getting lucky with turnovers, Lou has been average at best. His damn specialty is DB's, and our secondary is a hot mess, and has been for two years.

Sure, maybe Katie is buying the store brand... But even then the mac and cheese shouldn't taste this bad, and I can tell when a steak is burned. Katie didn't leave the pubic hair in the coleslaw.

 

 

What changed is we have an offensive-minded head coach and so we are drafting better on O than we are on D. It's the same people paying for groceries but the people making the meals are not the same. When you have the system we have in place where coaches have a large input into the drafting process you will get better talent on the D when you have a head coach who had one of the best D's of all time when he was in Baltimore vs a coach that is an offensive guy. Tobin doesn't do this all himself, and we are not like most other teams where coaches only have some input, our coaching staff has a large input into the drafting process and who they want, for better or worse. On that front, I completely agree that this coaching staff has done a piss poor job of finding talent. On the idea that they can't coach, we've had a good defense under Lou so history says otherwise.

[stan]

8 hours ago, UncleEarl said:

 

I have to agree.  The problems on defense are more than just personnel.  These guys don't know their jobs, or refuse to do them!  I watch these breakdowns over and over where guys aren't where they are supposed to be!  On Pittsburgh's last play all three guys on the outside bit on the fake!  All three!  No chance any of them could have stopped an inside run for a first down, but bit anyway.  Fields easily runs around all three.  Total lack of discipline.  The coaching staff owns a big part of this.  No way all these guys are that bad.  This D is  historically bad.

Exactly.How do they not know that when Fields is in the game.He is going to run with the ball.Everyone knew it.but the Bengals defense.

[stan]

46 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

 

 

What changed is we have an offensive-minded head coach and so we are drafting better on O than we are on D. It's the same people paying for groceries but the people making the meals are not the same. When you have the system we have in place where coaches have a large input into the drafting process you will get better talent on the D when you have a head coach who had one of the best D's of all time when he was in Baltimore vs a coach that is an offensive guy. Tobin doesn't do this all himself, and we are not like most other teams where coaches only have some input, our coaching staff has a large input into the drafting process and who they want, for better or worse. On that front, I completely agree that this coaching staff has done a piss poor job of finding talent. On the idea that they can't coach, we've had a good defense under Lou so history says otherwise.

They're not good at drafting everything on offense.They suck at drafting offensive line men.

[Jamie_B]

7 minutes ago, stan said:

They're not good at drafting everything on offense.They suck at drafting offensive line men.

 

Past the first round sure. I think Mimms is looking pretty good.

[T-Dub]

20 hours ago, Jamie_B said:

 

Past the first round sure. I think Mimms is looking pretty good.

 

Out of how many first round busts? Not to mention the Cordy Glenn trade, where they gave up the 12th overall pick for #21 from the Bills.  Who do we think signed off on that decision?

[Jamie_B]

2 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

 

Out of how many first round busts? Not to mention the Cordy Glenn trade, where they gave up the 12th overall pick at for #21 from the Bills.  Who do we think signed off on that decision?

 

I dont think you can penalize the current coaching staff for the mistakes of the last one

 

But if we're talking about letting Duke go you wont get an argument from me.

[I_C_Deadpeople]

17 hours ago, Jamie_B said:

 

I dont think you can penalize the current coaching staff for the mistakes of the last one

 

But if we're talking about letting Duke go you wont get an argument from me.

Except the problem with this team is not just letting go of a coach or GM, it who do they replace them with? Highly probable it is someone who is just as ineffective and/or just as handcuffed. 

[LostInDaJungle]

19 minutes ago, I_C_Deadpeople said:

Except the problem with this team is not just letting go of a coach or GM, it who do they replace them with? Highly probable it is someone who is just as ineffective and/or just as handcuffed. 

And they all still report to Mike and Katie. Two people that would have never been able to hold on to a job as an NFL GM were it not for the power of inheritance and revenue sharing.

Have we asked Marvin and Zim if they'd like their old jobs back?? No ninja.