|BlackJesus| Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 [b][font="Arial Narrow"][size=3][color="#008000"]I don't agree with large portions of the list nor the full order ... and I would omit and include about 20 different people ... but it is appealing and a must read for anyone with an interest in World History ...[/color][/size][/font][/b] [quote][color="#008080"][center][b]The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History is a 1978 book by Michael H. Hart. [size=4][u]It is a ranking of the 100 people who most influenced human history. [/u][/size] It is important to note that Dr. Hart did not rank the greatest people. His criterion was influence. [size=3]Below is his list ...[/size][/b][/center][/color] 1.) Muhammad , --- Prophet of Islam 2.) Isaac Newton , --- physicist 3.) Jesus Christ , --- founder of Christianity 4.) Buddha , --- founder of Buddhism 5.) Confucius , --- founder of Confucianism 6.) St. Paul , --- proselytizer of Christianity 7.) Ts'ai Lun , --- inventor of paper 8.) Johann Gutenberg , --- developed movable type 9.) Christopher Columbus , --- led Europe to Americas 10.) Albert Einstein , --- physicist 11.) Louis Pasteur , --- pasteurization 12.) Galileo Galilei , --- astronomer 13.) Aristotle , --- Greek philosopher 14.) Euclid , --- mathematician 15.) Moses , --- major prophet of Judaism 16.) Charles Darwin , --- biologist 17.) Shih Huang Ti , --- Chinese emperor 18.) Augustus Caesar , --- ruler 19.) Nicolaus Copernicus , --- astronomer 20.) Antoine Laurent Lavoisier , --- father of modern chemistry 21.) Constantine the Great , --- Roman emperor who legalized Christianity 22.) James Watt , --- developed steam engine 23.) Michael Faraday , --- discoverer of magneto-electricity 24.) James Clerk Maxwell , --- physicist 25.) Martin Luther , --- founder of Protestantism and Lutheranism 26.) George Washington , --- first president of United States 27.) Karl Marx , --- founder of Marxism 28.) Orville and Wilbur Wright , --- inventors of the airplane 29.) Genghis Khan , --- Mongol conqueror 30.) Adam Smith , --- economist & expositor of capitalism 31.) Edward de Vere , a.k.a. William Shakespeare , --- literature 32.) John Dalton , --- chemist; physicist; atomic theory 33.) Alexander the Great , --- conqueror 34.) Napoleon Bonaparte , --- French conqueror 35.) Thomas Edison , --- inventor of light bulb 36.) Antony van Leeuwenhoek , --- microscopes 37.) William T.G. Morton , --- pioneer in anesthesiology 38.) Guglielmo Marconi , --- inventor of the radio 39.) Adolf Hitler , --- conqueror 40.) Plato , --- Greek philosopher 41.) Oliver Cromwell , --- British political and military leader 42.) Alexander Graham Bell , --- inventor of telephone 43.) Alexander Fleming , --- penicillin 44.) John Locke , --- philosopher 45.) Ludwig van Beethoven , --- composer 46.) Werner Heisenberg , --- founder of quantum mechanics 47.) Louis Daguerre , --- inventor/pioneer of photography 48.) Simon Bolivar , --- National hero of Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, and Bolivia 49.) Rene Descartes , --- Rationalist philosopher 50.) Michelangelo , --- painter; sculptor; architect 51.) Pope Urban II , --- called for First Crusade 52.) Umar ibn al-Khattab , --- expanded Muslim empire 53.) Asoka , --- king of India who spread Buddhism 54.) St. Augustine , --- Early Christian theologian 55.) William Harvey , --- the basis for modern embryology 56.) Ernest Rutherford , --- pioneer of subatomic physics 57.) John Calvin , --- founder of Calvinism 58.) Gregor Mendel , --- genetics 59.) Max Planck , --- thermodynamics 60.) Joseph Lister , --- principal discoverer of antiseptics 61.) Nikolaus August Otto , --- built first internal combustion engine 62.) Francisco Pizarro , --- conqueror in South America 63.) Hernando Cortes , --- conquered Mexico for Spain 64.) Thomas Jefferson , --- 3rd president of the United States 65.) Queen Isabella I , --- Spanish ruler 66.) Joseph Stalin , --- revolutionary and ruler of USSR 67.) Julius Caesar , --- Roman emperor 68.) William the Conqueror , --- laid foundation of modern England 69.) Sigmund Freud , --- psychology/psychoanalysis 70.) Edward Jenner , --- discoverer of the vaccination for smallpox 71.) Wilhelm Conrad Roentgen , --- discovered X-rays 72.) Johann Sebastian Bach , --- composer 73.) Lao Tzu , --- founder of Taoism 74.) Voltaire , --- writer and philosopher 75.) Johannes Kepler , --- astronomer 76.) Enrico Fermi , --- father of atom bomb 77.) Leonhard Euler , --- calculus and algebra 78.) Jean-Jacques Rousseau , --- philosopher and author 79.) Nicoli Machiavelli , --- wrote 'The Prince' 80.) Thomas Malthus , --- wrote 'Essay on the Principle of Population' 81.) John F. Kennedy , --- U.S. President 82.) Gregory Pincus , --- developed birth-control pill 83.) Mani , --- founder of Manicheanism 84.) Lenin , --- Russian ruler 85.) Sui Wen Ti , --- unified China 86.) Vasco da Gama , --- discovered route from Europe to India 87.) Cyrus the Great , --- founder of Persian empire 88.) Peter the Great , --- forged Russia into a great European nation 89.) Mao Zedong , --- founder of Maoism, Chinese form of Communism 90.) Francis Bacon , --- delineated inductive scientific method 91.) Henry Ford , --- developed automobile 92.) Mencius , --- founder of a school of Confucianism 93.) Zoroaster , --- founder of Zoroastrianism 94.) Queen Elizabeth I , --- restored Church of England to power after Queen Mary 95.) Mikhail Gorbachev , --- Russian premier 96.) Menes , --- unified Upper and Lower Egypt 97.) Charlemagne , --- created Holy Roman Empire 98.) Homer , --- epic poet 99.) Justinian I , --- reconquered Mediterranean empire 100.) Mahavira , --- founder of Jainism[/quote] [font="Arial Narrow"][center][color="#9932CC"][size=3][b]agree, disagree, thoughts ? [/b][/size][/color][/center][/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted September 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 [color="#556B2F"][font="Arial Narrow"][size=4][b] Hart also lists 100 Runner-ups ... [/b][/size][/font][/color] [quote]Abraham Aesop Howard H. Aiken Susan B. Anthony St. Thomas Aquinas Archimedes Aristarchus of Samos Neil Armstrong Charle Babbage Jeremy Bentham Otto von Bismark Robert Boyle Louis de Broglie Nicolas Sadi Carnot Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor Cheops (Khufu) Chu Hsi Winston Churchill Karl von Clausewitz Rudolf Clausius Marie Curie Gottlieb Daimler Dante Alighieri Darius the Great King David Democritus Mary Baker Eddy Robert C.W. Ettinger George Fox Benjamin Franklin Frederick the Great Betty Friedan Galen Mohandas K. Gandhi Karl Friedrich Gauss Hammurabi Han Wu Ti Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel Henry VIII Henry the Navigator Theodor Herzl Hippocrates Thomas Hobbes James Hutton Ikhnaton Isaiah Joan of Arc Joseph Marie Jacquard Immanuel Kant John Maynard Keynes Har Gobind Khorana Martin Luther King, Jr. Alfred C. Kinsey Kublai Khan Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz Etienne Lenoir Leonardo da Vinci Abraham Lincoln Liu Pang (Han Kao Tsu) Louis XIV James Madison Ferdinand Magellan The Virgin Mary Meiji Tenno (Emperor Mutsuhito) Sultan Mohammed (Mehmed) II Montesquieu Maria Montessori Samuel Morse Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Muawiya I Gerard K. O'Neill Blaise Pascal Ivan Pavlov Marco Polo Ptolemy (Claudius Ptolemaeus) Pythagoras Rembrandt Franklin Delano Roosevelt Sankara Sargon of Akkad Erwin Schrodinger William B. Shockley Joseph Smith Socrates Sophocles Sun Yat-sen William Henry Fox Talbot Tamerlane T'ang T'ai Tsung Edward Teller Henry David Thoreau Leo Tolstoy Charles H. Townes Harry S. Truman Selman A. Waksman James D. Watson Mary Wollstonecraft Frank Lloyd Wright Vladimir Zworykin[/quote] [color="#008000"][font="Arial Narrow"][size=3][b]* From this list I would make a strong case for the inclusion of Gandhi, Lincoln, Thoreau, Tamerlane, MLK, Da Vinci, & Hammurabi. [/b][/size][/font][/color] [url="http://www.adherents.com/adh_influ.html"]http://www.adherents.com/adh_influ.html[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted September 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 [font="Arial Narrow"][color="#0000FF"][size=3][b]For those that would disagree with Muhammad being before Jesus ... an excerpt from Hart's book ... [/b][/size][/color][/font] [quote][b]Excerpt from Hart's book: [/b] [b]My choice of Muhammad to lead the list[/b] of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but [b]he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular levels...[/b] Muhammad founded and promulgated one of the world's great religions, and became an immensely effective political leader. Today, thirteen centuries after his death, his influence is still powerful and pervasive... Like all religions, Islam exerts an enormous influence upon the lives of its followers. It is for this reason that the founders of the world's great religions all figure prominently in this book. Since there are roughly twice as many Christians as Moslems in the world, it may initially seem strange that Muhammad has been ranked higher than Jesus. There are two principal reasons for that decision. First, [b]Muhammad played a far more important role in the development of Islam than Jesus did in the development of Christianity.[/b] Although Jesus was responsible for the main ethical and moral precepts of Christianity (insofar as these differed from Judaism), [b]St. Paul was the main developer of Christian theology[/b], [b]its principal proselytizer, and the author of a large portion of the New Testament. [/b] [b]Muhammad, however, was responsible for both the theology of Islam and its main ethical and moral principles.[/b] In addition, he played the key role in proselytizing the new faith, and in establishing the religious practices of Islam. Moreover, he is the author of the Moslem holy scriptures, the Koran, a collection of certain of Muhammad's insights that he believed had been directly revealed to him by Allah. Most of these utterances were copied more or less faithfully during Muhammad's lifetime and were collected together in authoritative form not long after his death. [b]The Koran therefore, closely represents Muhammad's ideas and teachings and to a considerable extent his exact words. No such detailed compilation of the teachings of Christ has survived.[/b] Since the Koran is at least as important to Moslems as the Bible is to Christians, the influence of Muhammed through the medium of the Koran has been enormous It is probable that the relative influence of Muhammad on Islam has been larger than the combined influence of Jesus Christ and St. Paul on Christianity. On the purely religious level, then, it seems likely that Muhammad has been as influential in human history as Jesus. Furthermore, Muhammad (unlike Jesus) was a secular as well as a religious leader. In fact, as the driving force behind the Arab conquests, [b]he may well rank as the most influential political leader of all time...[/b] the Arab conquests of the seventh century have continued to play an important role in human history, down to the present day. [b]It is this unparalleled combination of secular and religious influence which I feel entitles Muhammad to be considered the most influential single figure in human history.[/b][/quote] [url="http://www.adherents.com/adh_influ.html"]excerpt[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumble In the Jungle Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 [quote]3.) Jesus Christ , --- founder of Christianity[/quote] i thought he was god ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted September 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 [quote name='Rumble in the Jungle' post='547698' date='Sep 14 2007, 06:52 PM']i thought he was god ? [/quote] [font="Arial Narrow"][size=3][b]To some he is the son of God ... Hindus says He is an incarnation of Krishna, Buddhists say He is only another path, to others he is a prophet, to others a heretic or self loathing Jew, to others a guy with a good imagination, and to others a fictional creation. However I believe it was not Hart's intent to look at the list from a religiously dogmatic perspective (although he is Christian). Because then you get into issues of ... is Muhammad the 'author & creator' of the Quran or simply Allah's messanger etc. [/b][/size][/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumble In the Jungle Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 just playing, but as muslims we believe he was a prophet and moses and joseph and so on. god has no sons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted September 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 [quote name='Rumble in the Jungle' post='547709' date='Sep 14 2007, 07:02 PM'][b]it is my belief that[/b] god has no sons.[/quote] [b]you forgot that part It would be my advice to be careful about "declarative" statements regarding God (if in fact there is one, many). [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 [quote name='Rumble in the Jungle' post='547709' date='Sep 14 2007, 07:02 PM']just playing, but as muslims we believe he was a prophet and moses and joseph and so on. [color="#FF0000"]god has no sons[/color].[/quote] i respectfully disagree and will just leave it at that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Actium Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 This list is worthless. Where's Marvin Lewis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonBlade Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 What a dumb fucking list. 1) Robert Oppenheimer. Of all the things ever discovered/invented/propheted he is the top. You can talk about your Gods and Prophets but they just create. He invented a method whereby we could turn the Earth into atoms within an hour if we choose. However, besides that (one huge flaw) it's actually a pretty sensible list. It's not too modern, nor Americacentric. Still, create the earth in six days all you want fucker, we can wipe it out of thought in an instant. VB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted September 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 [quote name='Actium' post='547716' date='Sep 14 2007, 07:10 PM']This list is worthless.[/quote] [font="Arial Narrow"][size=3][b]Hey Actium ... some of your bastardly Romans made it ... I am still pissed the greatest Military general the world has ever seen - [color="#8B0000"]Hannibal[/color] - didn't. [/b][/size][/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Actium Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 [quote name='BlackJesus' post='547718' date='Sep 14 2007, 06:12 PM'][font="Arial Narrow"][size=3][b]Hey Actium ... some of your bastardly Romans made it ... I am still pissed the greatest Military general the world has ever seen - [color="#8B0000"]Hannibal[/color] - didn't. [/b][/size][/font][/quote] If Hannibal were a closer, maybe. But he didn't finish the deal. He played a great first half but lost in the 4th quarter. And people stole his playbook in the process. I have no problem with the list. I've seen it before as it is quite old. Things like this are just fodder for debate anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonBlade Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 No Hannibal. Yeeps. Also I note no Benz who invented the damn car but we have Ford the racist Nazi-loving capitalist who just built the damn things. I'd also argue Hitler wasn't really a Conquerer. Beating France and Italy can be done by anyone with a pointy stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Actium Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 [quote name='VonBlade' post='547720' date='Sep 14 2007, 06:16 PM']No Hannibal. Yeeps. Also I note no Benz who invented the damn car but we have Ford the racist Nazi-loving capitalist who just built the damn things. I'd also argue Hitler wasn't really a Conquerer. Beating France and Italy can be done by anyone with a pointy stick. [/quote] Hitler controlled almost all of continental Europe at one point, plus north africa. He just couldn't hang on to it. And regardless of his conquering skizills, the events he set in motion certainly had prodigious effect on the course of human events, leading to the Cold War (and in turn Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan) and the birth of Israel, etc., etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted September 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 [color="#2F4F4F"][font="Arial Narrow"][size=3][b]Some Random Thoughts on the list ~ Karl Marx should be much higher than #27 ... his influence is at least in the top 5 all time in my opinion. Especially when you look at his influence on what came to be called "Communism", "Stalinism", "Leninism", "Trotskyism", "socialism", etc etc and all of the revolutions, social changes, labor unions, workers movements, deaths, upheavals, that resulted. ~ Jesus should be #2 ~ Not sure why MLK and Gandhi both got the shaft ... clearly they both deserve a spot somewhere ... (even though yes they were heavily influenced by Henry David Thoreau). ~ Columbus is too high ... especially when you consider that Leif Erickson beat him to America ... and the fact that YOU CAN'T DISCOVER a place that already has millions of people living on it ! ~ Hitler should be higher than #39. I think his negative connotation (which is an understatement) hurt him on the list. ~ Zoroaster should be much much higher (top 10). Before there was a Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, Buddah, etc ... there was Zoroaster. They all took religious doctrines from him. [/b][/size][/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Actium Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 [quote name='BlackJesus' post='547723' date='Sep 14 2007, 06:22 PM'][color="#2F4F4F"][font="Arial Narrow"][size=3][b]Some Random Thoughts on the list ~ Karl Marx should be much higher than #27 ... his influence is at least in the top 5 all time in my opinion. Especially when you look at his influence on what came to be called "Communism", "Stalinism", "Leninism", "Trotskyism", "socialism", etc etc and all of the revolutions, social changes, labor unions, workers movements, deaths, upheavals, that resulted. ~ Jesus should be #2 ~ Not sure why MLK and Gandhi both got the shaft ... clearly they both deserve a spot somewhere ... (even though yes they were heavily influenced by Henry David Thoreau). ~ Columbus is too high ... especially when you consider that Leif Erickson beat him to America ... and the fact that YOU CAN'T DISCOVER a place that already has millions of people living on it ! ~ Hitler should be higher than #39. I think his negative connotation (which is an understatement) hurt him on the list. ~ Zoroaster should be much much higher (top 10). Before there was a Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, Buddah, etc ... there was Zoroaster. They all took religious doctrines from him. [/b][/size][/font][/color][/quote] All very fair. It's almost impossible to fairly take things from different realms into one list--the interchange of life is so strange. Musicians might be very influential but it's hard to put them on here--for instance Wagner. edited: never mind, I see he snuck Beethoven and Back on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted September 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 [quote name='Actium' post='547719' date='Sep 14 2007, 07:14 PM']If Hannibal were a closer, maybe. But he didn't finish the deal. He played a great first half but lost in the 4th quarter. And people stole his playbook in the process.[/quote] [font="Arial Narrow"][size=3][b]Them be fighting words ... Pompous Alickamyballsis ... He couldn't help it that Carthage was inept at resupplying him ... meet me at the Zama swingset ... 3 pm sharp [/b][/size][/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 [quote name='BlackJesus' post='547687' date='Sep 14 2007, 04:27 PM'][color="#556B2F"][font="Arial Narrow"][size=4][b] Hart also lists 100 Runner-ups ... [/b][/size][/font][/color] [color="#008000"][font="Arial Narrow"][size=3][b]* From this list I would make a strong case for the inclusion of Gandhi, Lincoln, Thoreau, Tamerlane, MLK, Da Vinci, & Hammurabi. [/b][/size][/font][/color] [url="http://www.adherents.com/adh_influ.html"]http://www.adherents.com/adh_influ.html[/url][/quote] You include yourself on the list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted September 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 [quote name='Bunghole' post='547731' date='Sep 14 2007, 07:28 PM']You include yourself on the list? [/quote] [b]- inside joke [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONYX Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 [color="#FF0000"][b]This is list is bullshit. I dont see myself on it anywhere. [/b][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 No Kige Ramsey ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 [quote name='oldschooler' post='547734' date='Sep 14 2007, 07:30 PM']No Kige Ramsey ? [/quote] or Tay Zonday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted September 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 [quote name='sneaky' post='547733' date='Sep 14 2007, 07:29 PM'][color="#FF0000"][b]This is list is bullshit. I dont see myself on it anywhere. [/b][/color][/quote] [font="Arial Narrow"][size=3][b]Or any black people for that matter Shaft is pissed [/b][/size][/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Actium Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 [quote name='BlackJesus' post='547730' date='Sep 14 2007, 06:26 PM'][font="Arial Narrow"][size=3][b]Them be fighting words ... Pompous Alickamyballsis ... He couldn't help it that Carthage was inept at resupplying him ... meet me at the Zama swingset ... 3 pm sharp [/b][/size][/font][/quote] He had his chance at Zama...didn't he try his pincer move again without success? I won't take anything away from him at Cannae. He was brilliant no doubt. he was just playing for the wrong team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted September 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 [quote name='Actium' post='547737' date='Sep 14 2007, 07:32 PM']he was just playing for the wrong team[/quote] [font="Arial Narrow"][size=3][b]and with one eye leading an international racially mixed army of mercenaries speaking many different languages. Hannibal was successful with integrating his army 2,150 years before the U.S. did * Not to mention General Norman Schwarzkopf used his Cannae invelopment to success in the first Gulf War against Saddam. [/b][/size][/font] [url="http://www.bbcprograms.com/pbs/catalog/hannibal/hannibalmain.htm"]HANNIBAL AND DESERT STORM[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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