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NEW ORLEANS _ If the biggest question of the Bengals' preseason is the offensive line, then one of the biggest subplots is [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/anthony-collins/979c0707-f228-466d-9816-fb459e5634b5/"][color="#f04e23"]Anthony Collins[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/img/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/color][/url]' first NFL start at right tackle Friday night in their 8 p.m. preseason opener here against the Saints (Channel 12 and 1530-AM in Cincinnati) at the Superdome.

He's there because [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/andre-smith/5796e85d-6992-4b91-9630-fde615747967/"][color="#f04e23"]Andre Smith[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/img/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/color][/url] isn't. Contract negotiations for the No. 1 pick appear to be at a standstill because of the Raiders' deal for wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey at No. 7 right before Smith at No. 6. Smith is most likely looking for more than the five-year, $38.25 million deal that Bey got two weeks ago in a contract that has apparently snagged other top 10 negotiations because it is more than a 20-percent increase over last year at No. 7.

Alvin Keels, Smith's agent, has not Twittered about the talks since two days ago when he said he sent the Bengals "a fair proposal," and that he hopes things don't go back to "square one."

While Smith is back home in Alabama (he got a snapshot of one of his workouts on Hard Knocks), Collins is making a return of sorts. Last month he came down to West Monroe, La., to take part in left tackle Andrew Whitworth's football camp along with Louisiana native [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/nate-livings/707e3a77-ffc4-482c-a9b6-e97cb6586c7a/"][color="#f04e23"]Nate Livings[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/img/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/color][/url], the left guard, and rookie tight end [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/chase-coffman/6769feed-429c-48c1-bf76-216e7c441fbf/"][color="#f04e23"]Chase Coffman[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/img/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/color][/url].

Collins makes the move after his first six NFL starts came at left tackle as a rookie last year. Offensive line coach Paul Alexander said earlier this week that Collins has shown no problems making the switch in sides after doing it in college at Kansas. But beyond that, his teammates believe he's matured emotionally and physically.

He not only went to Whitworth's camp, but he has been texting Whitworth constantly about plays and technique. The man that plays next to him, right guard [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/bobbie-williams/05db5b12-9c1f-4a94-b6c8-61f72348303f/"][color="#f04e23"]Bobbie Williams[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/img/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/color][/url], has seen him literally grow.

"The good thing is he knows what he's doing," Williams said. "He asks questions. He'll ask Paul a ton of questions. He's surprised me because he's grown physically. From more finesse-type to a true NFL tackle. We need that."

REPORT OF VICK OFFER: Jay Glazer of FOX reported just before Michel Vick's press conference in Philadelphia that the Bengals had offered him a two-year deal worth $2.3 million before taking the Eagles contract for $1.6 million with a second-year option of $5.2 million. It marked a reversal of Bengals president Mike Brown's July 28 pronouncement that the club didn't have interest in him because they had an established quarterback in [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/carson-palmer/b2e2fb04-af84-4af9-9491-5c1dd3354623/"][color="#f04e23"]Carson Palmer[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/img/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/color][/url].
Apparently that was one of Vick's parameters, according to ESPN.com. as well as going to a team with a "strong owner. A strong organization. A strong head coach. A passionate fan base."
Contacted about half an hour before Vick met the media, agent Joel Segal had no comment on the report.

LINEUP LOOK: Not only will Smith not be out there, but the second-round pick, SAM linebacker [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/rey-maualuga/72e4f750-08d1-4fa5-abee-a5cfebe1389b/"][color="#f04e23"]Rey Maualuga[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/img/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/color][/url], probably won't be either as he battles a hamstring problem. All the other draft picks should be available and third-rounder Chase Coffman is going to get plenty of snaps at tight end. Especially since the newly-signed [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/matt-sherry/366b9f16-a81c-4e82-b86d-90b295bddc1f/"][color="#f04e23"]Matt Sherry[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/img/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/color][/url] may not play with a muscle problem of his own. He was riding the bike at Wednesday's practice. That would leave the Bengals with just two rookie tight ends in Coffman and free agent [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/darius-hill/8674a612-01a8-433c-b0a6-e4a1fd12e4b5/"][color="#f04e23"]Darius Hill[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/img/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/color][/url].
Veteran tight end [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/ben-utecht/b4839b21-66a4-4f5d-a9c9-92fffac87306/"][color="#f04e23"]Ben Utecht[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/img/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/color][/url] probably won't take a snap in the preseason, if he comes back at all as he undergoes a variety of neurological tests. The usual treatment for a concussion when someone loses consciousness is going on the shelf for two to four weeks.

If you thought Hard Knocks had practice blanketed with four cameras, here's what is in store Friday night from director Steve Trout. Three cameras on the ground, four up top and about twice as many players wearing wires with about eight.






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You know, it's one thing or us to look at Twitter for some updates, but really, is that his best sort of information? Well Keels hasn't updated the situation for two days so I guess I'll know something when the rest of the world. I was hoping for a little bit more from an actual report. Oh well, back to looking at Twitter for updates.
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[quote name='Jamie_B' date='14 August 2009 - 12:54 PM' timestamp='1250268849' post='790860']
:whistle:
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I guess you missed this part:

[quote]Paul Alexander said earlier this week that Collins has shown no problems making the switch in sides after doing it in college at Kansas.[/quote]

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[quote name='Bengals1181' date='14 August 2009 - 02:31 PM' timestamp='1250271107' post='790883']
and (while I don't), the Eagles agree with him.



But Jamie knows best of course.
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No I dont, I simply thought the irony of was written about it being a subplot was HIGH-LARRY-OUS after you guys decided to give me a hard time about the exact same thing I was saying.

Dont get your panties in a wad because I wasnt the only person in bengal land wondering about that.

[quote name='oldschooler' date='14 August 2009 - 02:32 PM' timestamp='1250271151' post='790884']
John Thornton also said that Collins is a better Tackle right now than Smith.
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So?
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[quote name='Jamie_B' date='14 August 2009 - 02:34 PM' timestamp='1250271288' post='790885']
No I dont, I simply thought the irony of was written about it being a subplot was HIGH-LARRY-OUS after you guys decided to give me a hard time about the exact same thing I was saying.

Dont get your panties in a wad because I wasnt the only person in bengal land wondering about that.




So?
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my bad LamieB.


But there you go making assumptions again. Hobson made an innocent comment and you spin it into "there's concern about Collins at RT" even though coaches and his teammates don't share that concern, nor do former players like JT.
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[quote name='Bengals1181' date='14 August 2009 - 02:36 PM' timestamp='1250271411' post='790889']
my bad LamieB.


But there you go making assumptions again. Hobson made an innocent comment and you spin it into "there's concern about Collins at RT" even though coaches and his teammates don't share that concern, nor do former players like JT.
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Im not making an assumption about anything Homer1181, all I am saying is I see better than I hear, and that I want to see it for myself before I go believing all the preseason hype for every article written about every player, same with cook and I said the same to sharm about it he unlike you however got that point.
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[quote name='Jamie_B' date='14 August 2009 - 02:39 PM' timestamp='1250271593' post='790892']
Im not making an assumption about anything Homer1181, all I am saying is I see better than I hear, and that [b]I want to see it for myself[/b] before I go believing all the preseason hype for every article written about every player, same with cook and I said the same to sharm about it he unlike you however got that point.
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that's all well and good, but that's not the way you act (and you know it).
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[quote name='Jamie_B' date='14 August 2009 - 01:34 PM' timestamp='1250271288' post='790885']
So?
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I read the thread the other day where you went on and on.
So I knew why you were whistling.

I know that you think because Hobson called it a "subplot"
that there is cause for concern, despite the fact that Collins
played the position in College, and excelled at a tougher
position last season. I also know that you are ignoring
positive reviews from coaches and former players to act
like it is more of a concern that it actually is.

So the "I see better than I hear" shit is also lame.
Because you have SEEN him hold his own at a tougher position
as a ROOKIE. And you are HEARING that he is making the transistion
nicely. You just choose to be blind and deaf for the sake of being
a lame "realist".
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[quote name='Bengals1181' date='14 August 2009 - 02:48 PM' timestamp='1250272137' post='790906']
that's all well and good, but that's not the way you act (and you know it).
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The way I act? lol, how on god's green earth can you determine the intent behind my posts from just reading text? you assume way too much
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[quote name='Jamie_B' date='14 August 2009 - 02:50 PM' timestamp='1250272255' post='790909']
The way I act? lol, how on god's green earth can you determine the intent behind my posts from just reading text? [b]you assume way too much[/b]
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[quote name='oldschooler' date='14 August 2009 - 02:50 PM' timestamp='1250272203' post='790908']
I read the thread the other day where you went on and on.
So I knew why you were whistling.

I know that you think because Hobson called it a "subplot"
that there is cause for concern, despite the fact that Collins
played the position in College, and excelled at a tougher
position last season. I also know that you are ignoring
positive reviews from coaches and former players to act
like it is more of a concern that it actually is.

So the "I see better than I hear" shit is also lame.
Because you have SEEN him hold his own at a tougher position
as a ROOKIE. And you are HEARING that he is making the transistion
nicely. You just choose to be blind and deaf for the sake of being
a lame "realist".
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No Im lauging at the idea that I was the only person in the world wonering about it, apparently that wasnt the case. It's funny to me because as soon as I wondered about it I had several different people decide they wanted to jump on me about it as if I was the only person in the world curious about it. So I laughed at the irony that I wasnt.
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[quote name='Bengals1181' date='14 August 2009 - 02:53 PM' timestamp='1250272401' post='790912']
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What was I assuming? You keep trying to pigenhole me into saying I was assuming Collins sucks, when I never said nor assumed either. You should really stop putting words in people's mouth.
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[quote name='Jamie_B' date='14 August 2009 - 01:53 PM' timestamp='1250272419' post='790913']
No Im lauging at the idea that I was the only person in the world wonering about it, apparently that wasnt the case. It's funny to me because as soon as I wondered about it I had several different people decide they wanted to jump on me about it as if I was the only person in the world curious about it. So I laughed at the irony that I wasnt.
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Of course you are not the only person.

But you act like a chicken little about it.

I think Cook is far more of a "subplot" or concern than Collins.

Hell, most thought Collins would be the LT before and after Smith was drafted.
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[quote name='oldschooler' date='14 August 2009 - 02:58 PM' timestamp='1250272734' post='790919']
Of course you are not the only person.

But you act like a chicken little about it.

I think Cook is far more of a "subplot" or concern than Collins.

Hell, most thought Collins would be the LT before and after Smith was drafted.
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You read too much into it, I simply was replying to posts when I was quoted, I wasnt acting like a chicken little about it all, I was rather just wondering about it period. The only reason it got blown out of proportion is due to Homer1181 who didnt get the point and had to keep replying back until it sank in on what I was saying.
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