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Is liberal supposed to be a bad word? Am I supposed to be offended by it?
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[b] [size=5] [i]lib·er·al[/i]/ˈlib(ə)rəl/[/size][/b]


[size=5][font=arial, sans-serif] Adjective: Open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values. Noun: A person of liberal views. Synonyms: generous - bounteous - lavish - bountiful - free


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[b] How US Ambassador Chris Stevens May Have Been Linked To Jihadist Rebels In Syria[/b]
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[color=#000000][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=3]The official position is that the US has [/size][/font][/color][url="http://www.startribune.com/world/172979071.html?refer=y"]refused to allow[/url][color=#000000][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=3] heavy weapons into Syria.[/size][/font][/color]
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But there's growing evidence that U.S. agents—particularly murdered ambassador Chris Stevens—were at least aware of heavy weapons moving from Libya to jihadist Syrian rebels.[/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=3]
In March 2011 Stevens [url="http://abcnewsradioonline.com/world-news/us-names-chris-stevens-liaison-to-libyan-opposition.html"]became[/url] the official U.S. liaison to the [url="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704559904576231172563565048.html"]al-Qaeda-linked[/url] Libyan opposition, working directly with Abdelhakim Belhadj of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group—a group that has now disbanded, with some fighters [url="http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/18/us-libya-consulate-attack-idUSBRE89H19P20121018?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F+US+%2F+Top+News%29"]reportedly[/url] participating in the attack that took Stevens' life.[/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=3]
In November 2011 [url="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8919057/Leading-Libyan-Islamist-met-Free-Syrian-Army-opposition-group.html"]The [/url][url="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8919057/Leading-Libyan-Islamist-met-Free-Syrian-Army-opposition-group.html"]Telegraph[/url] reported that Belhadj, acting as head of the Tripoli Military Council, "met with Free Syrian Army [FSA] leaders in Istanbul and on the border with Turkey" in an effort by the new Libyan government to provide money and weapons to the growing insurgency in Syria.[/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=3]
Last month [url="http://sana.sy/eng/22/2012/09/14/441552.htm"]The Times of London reported[/url] that a Libyan ship "carrying the largest consignment of weapons for Syria … has docked in Turkey." The shipment reportedly weighed 400 tons and included [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGqgFpToUYo"]SA-7[/url] surface-to-air anti-craft missiles and rocket-propelled grenades. [/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=3]
Those heavy weapons are most likely from [url="http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/26/reading-the-refuse-counting-col-qaddafis-heat-seeking-missiles-and-tracking-them-back-to-their-sources/"]Muammar Gaddafi's stock[/url] of about 20,000 portable heat-seeking missiles—the bulk of them SA-7s—that the Libyan leader obtained from the former Eastern bloc. [url="http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/17/syria-crisis-weapons-idUSL5E8LH6RE20121017"]Reuters reports[/url] that Syrian rebels have been using those heavy weapons to [url="http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/heat-seeking-missiles-in-syria-the-sa-7-in-action-with-rebels/?smid=tw-share"]shoot down[/url] Syrian helicopters and fighter jets.[/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=3]
The ship's captain was "a Libyan from Benghazi and the head of an organization called the Libyan National Council for Relief and Support," which was presumably established by the new government.[/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=3]
[b]That means that Ambassador Stevens had only one person—Belhadj—between himself and the Benghazi man who brought heavy weapons to Syria.[/b][/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=3]
Furthermore, we know that [url="http://www.businessinsider.com/al-qaeda-jihadists-are-among-the-best-fighters-among-the-syria-rebels-2012-7"]jihadists are the best fighters[/url] in the Syrian opposition, but where did they come from?[/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=3]
Last week [url="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9606691/Syria-despatch-rebel-fighters-fear-the-growing-influence-of-their-Bin-Laden-faction.html"]The Telegraph reported[/url] that a FSA commander called them "Libyans" when he explained that the FSA doesn't "want these extremist people here."[/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=3]
And if the new Libyan government was sending seasoned Islamic fighters and 400 tons of heavy weapons to Syria through [url="https://maps.google.com/maps?q=iskenderun+turkey&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x152f592d49f10bcd:0x71627fb2e950ada4,%C4%B0skenderun,+Turkey&gl=us&ei=xpqAUKGOL86L0QHDvoCoBw&ved=0CJoBELYD"]a port in southern Turkey[/url]—a deal brokered by Stevens' primary Libyan contact during the Libyan revolution—then the governments of Turkey and the U.S. surely knew about it.[/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=3]
Furthermore there was a [url="http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/10/13/usa-libya-intelligence-idINDEE89C00Q20121013"]CIA post in Benghazi[/url], located 1.2 miles from the U.S. consulate, used as "a base for, among other things, [b]collecting information on the proliferation of weaponry looted from Libyan government arsenals, including surface-to-air missiles[/b]" ... and that its security features "were more advanced than those at rented villa where Stevens died." [/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=3]
And we know that the CIA has been [url="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/21/world/middleeast/cia-said-to-aid-in-steering-arms-to-syrian-rebels.html?pagewanted=all"]funneling weapons to the rebels[/url] in southern Turkey. The question is whether the CIA has been involved in handing out the heavy weapons from Libya.[/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=3]
In any case, the connection between Benghazi and the rise of jihadists in Syria is stronger than has been officially acknowledged.[/size][/font][/color]
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[quote name='bengalrick' timestamp='1350774836' post='1172387']
Really drawing some odd conclusions about all of this Jamie... [b]This only proves that liberals sometimes find their way onto Fox News... That isn't news to me[/b] :)

The other story, while it is an interesting theory, it is a long shot.
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Only those who enjoy watching moronic absurdity. Same reason conservatives don't watch MSNBC. My bet would be that Jaimie found this referenced somewhere else and posted it here...

And I also think that true independents like myself gave up on network news years ago..

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[quote name='bengalrick' timestamp='1350774836' post='1172387']
Really drawing some odd conclusions about all of this Jamie... This only proves that liberals sometimes find their way onto Fox News... That isn't news to me :)

The other story, while it is an interesting theory, it is a long shot.
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Only conclusion I'm drawing is even your own guys arent completely sold that the video is irrelevant.

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Someone correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the Host Country responsible for
the safety and well being of our Diplomats? I mean, are we supposed to have
a military presence in every Country we have a Diplomat?
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Yes and yes. But the "military presence" in our embassies is a token force of a couple or a few Marines. And my understanding is that they are mostly there to ensure the security of the sensitive documents contained therein. Or their destruction, if that becomes necessary.
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Someone correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the Host Country responsible for
the safety and well being of our Diplomats? I mean, are we supposed to have
a military presence in every Country we have a Diplomat?
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I posted an article earlier in this thread from Yahoo saying that the U.S. has basically contracted out, the outside security of their consulates to a British firm, who in turn recruited local security guys from the host country. The article said that not only was the British firm called Blue Mountain obscure, many people in the British government have not heard of them. The consulate in Libya was guarded by 20 local men with very little to no experience in security.

It is in very poor taste of the U.S. government to go digging into a not long ago past, using rumors to dirty a man's reputation who died because the government didn't do its job to protect him. The government screwed up, let it be. If there was anything like they said going on behind the scenes, why all of a sudden now is it am issue? The man is dead and can't defend himself, why bring this public and cause even more misery to his family? For political gain? That is just plain tasteless.
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[quote name='Lucid' timestamp='1350776162' post='1172388']
Only those who enjoy watching moronic absurdity. Same reason conservatives don't watch MSNBC. My bet would be that Jaimie found this referenced somewhere else and posted it here...

And I also think that true independents like myself gave up on network news years ago..
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I don't even have cable so I definitely fall into the ' no network news category.' Frankly, missing network news has been a very good thing for my sanity. I do miss ESPN and the NFL network though :(

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Only conclusion I'm drawing is even your own guys arent completely sold that the video is irrelevant.
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Geraldo isn't what I'd call a conservative ;)

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