bengals4ever Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Is it before or after this year's Super Bowl run??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange 'n Black Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 A deep playoff run definitely puts him in the conversation, especially if he keeps playing like he has the last few weeks. The guy is not done improving yet either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBandJoeyV Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 when he wins playoff games would be my guess. Hopefully after this season. But honestly who gives a shit if he is elite or not. The bigger question is whether or not this team is elite. I think we are getting pretty close. Next step starts on Thursday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 It looks like he has a new gameplan and is hitting all receivers, rather than trying to force it to AJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 A deep playoff run definitely puts him in the conversation, especially if he keeps playing like he has the last few weeks. The guy is not done improving yet either. If he keeps playing like he has in the last three weeks, he's probably league MVP. Edit: ROS (7 games)-- 66% 3,500 yards 30 td's and 3 ints. Unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLightWithin Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 He has full command of this offense. Keep it up all season, elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 He has to win playoff games and work on his deep ball to AJ. I want him hitting AJ in stride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zins30 Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Is it before or after this year's Super Bowl run??? When he learns to throw the deep ball. 100% :ninja: Love Andy's game with the weapons we've got. Whoever has the vision in the front office deserves major kudos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange 'n Black Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 When he learns to throw the deep ball. 100% :ninja: Love Andy's game with the weapons we've got. Whoever has the vision in the front office deserves major kudos. After so much historical dysfunction in the Bengals staff, it's so awesome to have a front office and coaching staff executing the same vision top to bottom. It doesn't matter if people around the league think Dalton is elite, it matters if he's the best QB for this team and system, and he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumble In the Jungle Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 He plays like today rest of the year...I won't be complaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Dalton isn't elite, and it would probably be a year from now before that's a legitimate discussion. Keep playing like he has (the command of the offense, not necessarily the flashy numbers), toss in a playoff win or two, and its a conversation next year. I don't know that he'll ever be elite (top 5), in fact I doubt it, but he can certainly become a top 10-12, and that's all this team really needs with the way its built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Dalton isn't elite, and it would probably be a year from now before that's a legitimate discussion. Keep playing like he has (the command of the offense, not necessarily the flashy numbers), toss in a playoff win or two, and its a conversation next year. I don't know that he'll ever be elite (top 5), in fact I doubt it, but he can certainly become a top 10-12, and that's all this team really needs with the way its built. Agreed, i think he'll enter top 7 discussion though, we have to remember manning and brady wont be around much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 No better time than the present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatcat Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Dalton isn't elite, and it would probably be a year from now before that's a legitimate discussion. Keep playing like he has (the command of the offense, not necessarily the flashy numbers), toss in a playoff win or two, and its a conversation next year. I don't know that he'll ever be elite (top 5), in fact I doubt it, but he can certainly become a top 10-12, and that's all this team really needs with the way its built. I think it can be reasonably argued that he IS currently a top 10-12 QB. Time, wins, playoffs, and hopefully championships will determine the elite status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 I don't give a shit. He can be a mediocre QB all he wants provided we keep winning and go on to win in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 I think it can be reasonably argued that he IS currently a top 10-12 QB. Time, wins, playoffs, and hopefully championships will determine the elite status. one could make that argument. He was top 12 in most every QB statistical category last year. He's top 10 in pretty much all of them after today (and will be top 5 in many). The argument will be, how many other QB's would be doing the same in this offense, which is a fair argument to a point (with that point being, when you give Dalton NO credit for what he's doing because of the rest of the offense). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 never. unless you are a crazy person. Elite QB's get it done with or without an elite group around them, Dalton cant even consistently get it done with a pile of elite talent on both sides of the ball. he STILL underthrows wide open receivers, 3 times today, also beating GOOD teams would be a solid start, as well, not making dumbass plays would also be a solid step in the right direction.. the INT short pass was stupid. SANU deep pass that he dropped diving should have been an easy in stride TD. The deep pass green caught should have been an easy in stride TD The deep pass down the sideline to green he had his guy by 7-8 yards... underthrown... still most ended up good, hell great plays, but these are passes that are TD's for elite QB's.. he doesnt show up in big games. we scored 6 points against the browns... he doesnt play particularly well from behind, just about every "comeback" victory we have had has involved a HUGE defensive play/series, or the defense scoring, and sometimes the other team or our special teams totaolly fucking up (lions, defense hold, punter shanked, green bay, defense caused fumble, and ran back for game winning score, and stopped GB after scoring go ahead TD. Then the one game we punt returned to the 50, got two average easy passes to green and kicked a FG. hell Nugent hit a 54 yarder for the win against the Lions, so it took good defensive stops, bad special teams for the lions, and a great long FG... we have a great team. but Dalton is the flat time on the Porsche. when elite QB's get even one great player, they go off (manning this year, Brady when he had moss) elite QB's destroy teams, on their own, and get what, 49 TD's for brady and moss,.. elite QB's get 30+ td's with rotating RB's and unrestricted free agent WR's they get from no where, Aaron rodgers doesnt have HALF the talent dalton does, and still smokes teams. Elite QB's make magical comebacks, like brady against the saints, and like Stafford today against the cowboys, and like Manning..all the time... it takes dalton shredding a bad jets team, getting 5 TD passes to even break into the top half of the league in TD passes. didnt brady go YEARS without having a game with no TD's, and dalton had two in a row, this year? i would love to have an elite QB. we are superbowl contenders with an elite QB... the AFC is weak this year aside from 2-3 teams, we can easily get that first palyoff win at home this year, but at some point, we are going to face a team that can put up pints and has a decent defense.. we can play with those teams unless the defense scores. when you defense outscores your offense in the playoffs, its a bad sign.. when you have multiple pro bowl offensive weapons and your defense out scores your offense... its a RELLY bad sign... I dont know why people think I have some grudge against dalton, i just dont see him as a top 10 QB. and in todays NFL you need a top 10 QB to win for real. win when it matters, and be a real contender... He was mediocre in a safe offense in college and struggles with the same things in year that that he struggled with as a rookie. didnt he have a 4 TD game his rookie year? there has been minimal progress as a QB.. he came into the league a leader and a smart QB. all of the same shortcomings are still there and are what will untimately stop the teams progress.. wish i was wrong... i guess its nice to have a short memory and a deep homeristic hope to be right about loving the guy... but im not on that boat with most people... his biggest problem should be picking which badass talent he should get the ball too... but its missing wide open players...STILL... elite qb... not even close... ANYWAY...I fly to Florida wednesday morning, look for me on TV thursday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumble In the Jungle Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 I don't give a shit. He can be a mediocre QB all he wants provided we keep winning and go on to win in the playoffs. Testify Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 never. unless you are a crazy person. Elite QB's get it done with or without an elite group around them, Dalton cant even consistently get it done with a pile of elite talent on both sides of the ball. he STILL underthrows wide open receivers, 3 times today, also beating GOOD teams would be a solid start, as well, not making dumbass plays would also be a solid step in the right direction.. the INT short pass was stupid. SANU deep pass that he dropped diving should have been an easy in stride TD. The deep pass green caught should have been an easy in stride TD The deep pass down the sideline to green he had his guy by 7-8 yards... underthrown... still most ended up good, hell great plays, but these are passes that are TD's for elite QB's.. he doesnt show up in big games. we scored 6 points against the browns... he doesnt play particularly well from behind, just about every "comeback" victory we have had has involved a HUGE defensive play/series, or the defense scoring, and sometimes the other team or our special teams totaolly fucking up (lions, defense hold, punter shanked, green bay, defense caused fumble, and ran back for game winning score, and stopped GB after scoring go ahead TD. Then the one game we punt returned to the 50, got two average easy passes to green and kicked a FG. hell Nugent hit a 54 yarder for the win against the Lions, so it took good defensive stops, bad special teams for the lions, and a great long FG... we have a great team. but Dalton is the flat time on the Porsche. when elite QB's get even one great player, they go off (manning this year, Brady when he had moss) elite QB's destroy teams, on their own, and get what, 49 TD's for brady and moss,.. elite QB's get 30+ td's with rotating RB's and unrestricted free agent WR's they get from no where, Aaron rodgers doesnt have HALF the talent dalton does, and still smokes teams. Elite QB's make magical comebacks, like brady against the saints, and like Stafford today against the cowboys, and like Manning..all the time... it takes dalton shredding a bad jets team, getting 5 TD passes to even break into the top half of the league in TD passes. didnt brady go YEARS without having a game with no TD's, and dalton had two in a row, this year? i would love to have an elite QB. we are superbowl contenders with an elite QB... the AFC is weak this year aside from 2-3 teams, we can easily get that first palyoff win at home this year, but at some point, we are going to face a team that can put up pints and has a decent defense.. we can play with those teams unless the defense scores. when you defense outscores your offense in the playoffs, its a bad sign.. when you have multiple pro bowl offensive weapons and your defense out scores your offense... its a RELLY bad sign... I dont know why people think I have some grudge against dalton, i just dont see him as a top 10 QB. and in todays NFL you need a top 10 QB to win for real. win when it matters, and be a real contender... He was mediocre in a safe offense in college and struggles with the same things in year that that he struggled with as a rookie. didnt he have a 4 TD game his rookie year? there has been minimal progress as a QB.. he came into the league a leader and a smart QB. all of the same shortcomings are still there and are what will untimately stop the teams progress.. wish i was wrong... i guess its nice to have a short memory and a deep homeristic hope to be right about loving the guy... but im not on that boat with most people... his biggest problem should be picking which badass talent he should get the ball too... but its missing wide open players...STILL... elite qb... not even close... ANYWAY...I fly to Florida wednesday morning, look for me on TV thursday... I always chuckle when you make posts like this and just completely make up stats and try and pass them off as accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Go, what you say may be true, but the problem with your argument is that Brady, Manning and Rodgers DON'T PLAY FOR US and never will. So, we are forced to "make do" with what we have. And what we have is better than you make it out to be. No QB is perfect. Guys like that DO NOT GROW ON TREES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coup000 Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 My god. Should have ignored long ago. Edit: Crap, not allowed to ignore him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBandJoeyV Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 never. unless you are a crazy person. Elite QB's get it done with or without an elite group around them, Dalton cant even consistently get it done with a pile of elite talent on both sides of the ball. he STILL underthrows wide open receivers, 3 times today, also beating GOOD teams would be a solid start, as well, not making dumbass plays would also be a solid step in the right direction.. the INT short pass was stupid. SANU deep pass that he dropped diving should have been an easy in stride TD. The deep pass green caught should have been an easy in stride TD The deep pass down the sideline to green he had his guy by 7-8 yards... underthrown... still most ended up good, hell great plays, but these are passes that are TD's for elite QB's.. he doesnt show up in big games. we scored 6 points against the browns... he doesnt play particularly well from behind, just about every "comeback" victory we have had has involved a HUGE defensive play/series, or the defense scoring, and sometimes the other team or our special teams totaolly fucking up (lions, defense hold, punter shanked, green bay, defense caused fumble, and ran back for game winning score, and stopped GB after scoring go ahead TD. Then the one game we punt returned to the 50, got two average easy passes to green and kicked a FG. hell Nugent hit a 54 yarder for the win against the Lions, so it took good defensive stops, bad special teams for the lions, and a great long FG... we have a great team. but Dalton is the flat time on the Porsche. when elite QB's get even one great player, they go off (manning this year, Brady when he had moss) elite QB's destroy teams, on their own, and get what, 49 TD's for brady and moss,.. elite QB's get 30+ td's with rotating RB's and unrestricted free agent WR's they get from no where, Aaron rodgers doesnt have HALF the talent dalton does, and still smokes teams. Elite QB's make magical comebacks, like brady against the saints, and like Stafford today against the cowboys, and like Manning..all the time... it takes dalton shredding a bad jets team, getting 5 TD passes to even break into the top half of the league in TD passes. didnt brady go YEARS without having a game with no TD's, and dalton had two in a row, this year? i would love to have an elite QB. we are superbowl contenders with an elite QB... the AFC is weak this year aside from 2-3 teams, we can easily get that first palyoff win at home this year, but at some point, we are going to face a team that can put up pints and has a decent defense.. we can play with those teams unless the defense scores. when you defense outscores your offense in the playoffs, its a bad sign.. when you have multiple pro bowl offensive weapons and your defense out scores your offense... its a RELLY bad sign... I dont know why people think I have some grudge against dalton, i just dont see him as a top 10 QB. and in todays NFL you need a top 10 QB to win for real. win when it matters, and be a real contender... He was mediocre in a safe offense in college and struggles with the same things in year that that he struggled with as a rookie. didnt he have a 4 TD game his rookie year? there has been minimal progress as a QB.. he came into the league a leader and a smart QB. all of the same shortcomings are still there and are what will untimately stop the teams progress.. wish i was wrong... i guess its nice to have a short memory and a deep homeristic hope to be right about loving the guy... but im not on that boat with most people... his biggest problem should be picking which badass talent he should get the ball too... but its missing wide open players...STILL... elite qb... not even close... ANYWAY...I fly to Florida wednesday morning, look for me on TV thursday... Fucking pathetic. Its amazing that you havent posted at all in the bengals forum the last 3 weeks when Dalton has thrown for 11 Tds 2 ints, 70 plus completion percentage, etc. Then come here and make a page long post about how bad the guy is??? Seriously??? Obvious troll is obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatcat Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 one could make that argument. He was top 12 in most every QB statistical category last year. He's top 10 in pretty much all of them after today (and will be top 5 in many). The argument will be, how many other QB's would be doing the same in this offense, which is a fair argument to a point (with that point being, when you give Dalton NO credit for what he's doing because of the rest of the offense). My head hurts... uggh. Just straight up question for you... In your opinion, you do not think Dalton is in that 10-12 range currently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Serious question for Ryan: given EVERYTHING that has played out since Palmer left...what would you have done differently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 My head hurts... uggh. Just straight up question for you... In your opinion, you do not think Dalton is in that 10-12 range currently? To start the season I thought he was probably the 15th or 16th best QB in the league. Off the top of my head, I honestly couldn't tell you where I'd put him on a list right this second other than to say its higher than 15, and probably less than 10. Also worth noting is that not every QB is a fit for this system. ie., Stafford would not be a good QB in this system. And fwiw stats are different. To explain an example I used last year. Dalton had better stats than Eli Manning last year, but you couldn't really say in the grand scheme that Dalton is a better QB than Eli given each's cumulative careers. A better way of saying it: Tom Brady currently has the 31st best completion percentage in the league, but that doesn't mean he's the 31st most accurate QB in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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