MichaelWeston Posted January 22, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 4 hours ago, claptonrocks said: All but Beasley...hes on a downhill ride.. Hes been very unproductive since 2016!! He had 9 sacks in 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted January 22, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 For a few years we went after ex first rounders who flopped to try to give them a 2nd chance. I could see that happening again with Beasley. He's not the answer at DE but could be a good rotational guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HavePityPlease Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 hours ago, MichaelWeston said: He had 9 sacks in 2019 And yet the Falcons let him walk. Sure, they have cap issues. What was the result, then? One-year deal with Titans... put on the "Did not Report List" to start the season... cut in November after totaling all of 3 TACKLES after 7 games... Raiders signed him, had 1 tackle for them in 3 games... yeah, I don't want any "redeemer" scenarios here, let's get football players who love football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 No thanks to Beasley and Poole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 16 hours ago, MichaelWeston said: He had 9 sacks in 2019 He also had a 58 rating which means he did nothing else all season.. Theres a reason teams dont want him now unless its on a 1 yr cheap deal.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 4 hours ago, claptonrocks said: He also had a 58 rating which means he did nothing else all season.. Theres a reason teams dont want him now unless its on a 1 yr cheap deal.. Meh,, 9 sacks is a real stat. PFF ratings are about as legit as Madden ratings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 21 minutes ago, T-Dub said: Meh,, 9 sacks is a real stat. PFF ratings are about as legit as Madden ratings. Well it seems most everyone uses them to a degree.. 9 sacks is real..everything else about his game suggests a huge dropoff in his play.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted January 23, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 Lions WR Age Starts 2020/Career stats Notes Overall Receiving Pass Block Run Block Snaps Golladay-Lions 27 5/39 20-338-2 4.5 40 81.6 79.8 75 225 Jones-Lions 31 16/88 76-978-9 4.46 40 73.6 75.3 65.6 42.2 940 Agnew-Lions 26 2/2 13-89-0 4.34 40 56.7 61.6 64.5 58.9 202 G Age Starts 2020/Career Notes Overall Pass Block Run Block Snaps Aboushi-Lions 30 8/42 66.6 65.3 68 622 DE/Edge Age Starts 2020/Career stats Notes Overall Run D Pass Rush Coverage Snaps Okwara-Lions 26 9/28 44t-11tfl-10s 69.5 45 85.4 55.9 748 S Age Starts 2020/Career stats Notes Overall Pass Rush Run D Coverage Snaps Harmon-Lions 30 16/45 73t-5pd-2int 65.3 65.5 69.2 64.4 1102 Killebrew-Lions 28 0/4 12t CB Age Starts 2020/Career stats Notes Overall Run D Pass Rush Coverage Snaps Roberts-Lions 30 5/31 39t-1tfl-1int-6pd 54.3 52.8 46.9 55 469 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 10 hours ago, claptonrocks said: Well it seems most everyone uses them to a degree.. I would argue that's more to do with a single number being more easily digested for the casual fan & the fact that those numbers are heavily weighted by their own confirmation bias. Everyone loves to quote "stats" that support their opinions. Making up numbers to feed into that is great marketing. Other football analysts never had the audacity to pull numbers out of their ass & instead thought they needed to base them on real, verifiable formulas that are sometimes hard to follow. By making that formula a secret (because there really isn't one) they can say whatever they want. Do it for a few years and now it's taken seriously. Basically "this guy is one of the best blocking TE's in the game" sounds vague but "PFF rated him an 92.2587" sounds like there is some kind of hard science behind it. There isn't, but one of those things makes for a flashy graphic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 hour ago, T-Dub said: I would argue that's more to do with a single number being more easily digested for the casual fan & the fact that those numbers are heavily weighted by their own confirmation bias. Everyone loves to quote "stats" that support their opinions. Making up numbers to feed into that is great marketing. Other football analysts never had the audacity to pull numbers out of their ass & instead thought they needed to base them on real, verifiable formulas that are sometimes hard to follow. By making that formula a secret (because there really isn't one) they can say whatever they want. Do it for a few years and now it's taken seriously. Basically "this guy is one of the best blocking TE's in the game" sounds vague but "PFF rated him an 92.2587" sounds like there is some kind of hard science behind it. There isn't, but one of those things makes for a flashy graphic. Well, they had o line ranked 30th in the league this year. So you are saying it is actually good? PFF rankings almost never surprise me so they are obviously doing something right. They do a pretty good job explaining how they come up with the numbers and the formulas. Rodgers scored a 94 this year, Mahomes scored a 91 Mayfield an 81. Seems pretty legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 9 minutes ago, SF2 said: PFF rankings almost never surprise me so they are obviously doing something right. That's actually kind of the point. They almost always confirm what everyone already thinks. Real analysis sometimes surprises you, PFF fuzzy math will never do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted January 23, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, T-Dub said: That's actually kind of the point. They almost always confirm what everyone already thinks. Real analysis sometimes surprises you, PFF fuzzy math will never do that. It surprised us within this conversation by having a 9 sack guy have low PFF numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said: It surprised us within this conversation by having a 9 sack guy have low PFF numbers. Fair point. I assume they don't like that guy or his team for some reason. Maybe it's his haircut; who knows, it's PFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 45 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said: It surprised us within this conversation by having a 9 sack guy have low PFF numbers. Maybe because he was 35th in tackles and 55th in assists at his position even though he played a majority of the defensive snaps? He is a 1 trick pony, just rushes up field and tries to turn the corner. just compare him to Joey Bosa in 2019: QB hits: JB 31 VB 12 T for loss: JB 18 VB 8 tackles: JB 67 VB 42. solo tacks: JB 47 VB 28. If one or two stats were the only metrics then Jameis Winston would have been the top rated QB last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 I thought PFF was transparent with their methodology. They grade every player on every play. There may be differences in graders from game to game and obviously they aren't privy to assignments. But they can see who blocked someone or made a tackle or maintained coverage or broke a tackle. I believe they equal weight the plays so 4th and 1 in the last 2 minutes counts the same as a short yardage run in a tie game in the first quarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 17 hours ago, sparky151 said: I thought PFF was transparent with their methodology. They grade every player on every play. There may be differences in graders from game to game and obviously they aren't privy to assignments. But they can see who blocked someone or made a tackle or maintained coverage or broke a tackle. I believe they equal weight the plays so 4th and 1 in the last 2 minutes counts the same as a short yardage run in a tie game in the first quarter. I think they do a pretty good job of assigning scores to players. They actually assign a grade for run blocking, pass blocking and overall. Funny how the fan of a 4-12 team gets upset his team’s players receive low scores. EDIT: I apologize to Zach Taylor and the Bengals organization for claiming they were 4-12. They were actually 4-11-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 41 minutes ago, SF2 said: I think they do a pretty good job of assigning scores to players. They actually assign a grade for run blocking, pass blocking and overall. Funny how the fan of a 4-12 team gets upset his team’s players receive low scores. Or they understand the significance to upgrade.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted January 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 Panthers-Samuel would be nice but probably overkill at the position. Moten would be ideal but probably goes back to Carolina. WR Age Starts 2020/Career stats Notes Overall Receiving Pass Block Run Block Snaps Samuel-Panthers 24 5/32 77-851-3 4.31 40 77 75.9 66.2 56 658 G Age Starts 2020/Career Notes Overall Pass Block Run Block Snaps Reed-Panthers 28 14/23 63 54.5 67.2 892 Schofield-Panthers 30 3/69 50.3 41.7 55.9 270 Miller-Panthers 27 14/74 61.1 63.9 59 910 T Age Starts 2020/Career Notes Overall Pass Block Run Block Snaps Moton-Panthers 27 16/48 81.2 77.3 76.3 1032 Okung-Panthers 32 7/131 73 80 66.1 406 LB Age Starts 2020/Career stats Notes Overall Run D Pass Rush Coverage Snaps Stanford-Panthers 30 0/11 10t 73 77.9 52.8 60 16 CB Age Starts 2020/Career stats Notes Overall Run D Pass Rush Coverage Snaps Elder-Panthers 26 1/1 40t-tfl-3pd 68.5 74.2 44.9 68.2 411 Douglas-Panthers 25 11/29 62t-1tfl-9pd 61.1 60.2 57 61.2 821 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 If they go FA WR I think Curtis Samuel is at the top of my list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Jason said: If they go FA WR I think Curtis Samuel is at the top of my list. Yes..hes improved every year and with 4.31 speed he ll keep the safties from playing in the box..he can blow the top off.. Love to have him.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 13 minutes ago, claptonrocks said: Yes..hes improved every year and with 4.31 speed he ll keep the safties from playing in the box..he can blow the top off.. Love to have him.. Plus he’s versatile. You can put him in the backfield occasionally too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 13 minutes ago, Jason said: Plus he’s versatile. You can put him in the backfield occasionally too. Yes...he could definately help in alot of schemes.. Be a great acquisition to the receving unit.. Wrap your mind around this fie a moment.. Samuel caught 77 of 93 passes his way!! AJ Green caught 47-101passes his way.. AJ led the league in incompleted passes his way (54).. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted January 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 5 hours ago, Jason said: If they go FA WR I think Curtis Samuel is at the top of my list. Looks like he has played primarily in the slot. That would knock him out. https://www.rotowire.com/football/player.php?id=11710 Otherwise I would agree, other than the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted January 26, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 T Age Starts 2020/Career Notes Overall Pass Block Run Block Snaps Dotson-Broncos 35 8/114 70.8 70 68 451 Wilkinson-Broncos 26 7/26 52.4 52.8 50.3 503 DE/Edge Age Starts 2020/Career stats Notes Overall Run D Pass Rush Coverage Snaps Harris-Broncos 29 11/33 32t-4tfl-2.5s-7pd 88.3 76.1 83.5 66.2 441 Walker-Broncos 26 4/5 18t-3tfl-4.5s-1ff 54.1 50.6 64 57.6 384 Attaochu-Broncos 28 5/23 31t-6tfl-5s 62.5 61.5 62.9 55,8 414 LB Age Starts 2020/Career stats Notes Overall Run D Pass Rush Coverage Snaps Chickillo-Broncos 28 0/9 11t-1tfl-1s 56.7 58.5 59.2 39.2 164 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted January 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 Cowboys-Aldon Smith is an intriguing guy. The Cowboys can't pay anyone outside their big guys. QB Age Starts 2020/Career Stats Notes Overall Pass Run Snaps Dalton-Cowboys 33 9/142 2170-65% 14-8 87.3 69.6 69.5 55.7 621 C Age Starts 2020/Career Notes Overall Pass Block Run Block Snaps Looney-Cowboys 30 12/42 50.7 50.6 50.3 764 T Age Starts 2020/Career Notes Overall Pass Block Run Block Snaps Erving-Cowboys 28 5/47 58 69.2 48 279 DE/Edge Age Starts 2020/Career stats Notes Overall Run D Pass Rush Coverage Snaps Smith-Cowboys 31 16/53 48t-5tfl-5s 66.3 64.1 70 55.5 809 S Age Starts 2020/Career stats Notes Overall Pass Rush Run D Coverage Snaps Woods-Cowboys 25 15/48 72t-2tfl 61.9 55.2 83.8 62.4 990 CB Age Starts 2020/Career stats Notes Overall Run D Pass Rush Coverage Snaps Lewis-Cowboys 25 13/26 59t-7tfl-2s-2pd 48.1 54.3 70.2 45.8 817 Awuzie-Cowboys 26 6/42 38t-5pd 51.9 55,8 52 452 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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