We need to talk about Evan (McPherson)

[Randle P McMurphy]

Just now, Jamie_B said:

 

I'm sure that's it. But also, do we think the league is going to "get tired" of those owners?

 

Tell me what owner's they are.  Mike Brown votes against anything that shows progress or might change the current

"status quo".  He's been doing so since 1991 and has put a garbage product on the field ever since taking over as well,

(minus 2 years because a generational QB fell in his lap), and as owner of the least valuable franchise in the entire NFL

I'm sure he's viewed as the "weakest link in the chain."

[Jamie_B]

9 minutes ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

 

Tell me what owner's they are.  Mike Brown votes against anything that shows progress or might change the current

"status quo".  He's been doing so since 1991 and has put a garbage product on the field ever since taking over as well,

(minus 2 years because a generational QB fell in his lap), and as owner of the least valuable franchise in the entire NFL

I'm sure he's viewed as the "weakest link in the chain."

 

 

Panthers just to name one. You could literally get tickets for 21 dollars in week 2.

 

https://www.wbtv.com/2024/09/11/panthers-tickets-are-selling-low-21-thats-about-cheapest-any-week-2-nfl-game/

 

 

And yet the league has not even come close to voting him out. 

[Randle P McMurphy]

3 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

 

 

Panthers just to name one. You could literally get tickets for 21 dollars in week 2.

 

https://www.wbtv.com/2024/09/11/panthers-tickets-are-selling-low-21-thats-about-cheapest-any-week-2-nfl-game/

 

 

And yet the league has not even come close to voting him out. 

 

He's only owned the team for 6 years and is one of the wealthiest owners in the league!  He's not going anywhere.

He was worth like $20 billion before buying into the league and could survive with or without revenue sharing whereas

the Brown family depend on it!  Not a very good example.  

[Jamie_B]

3 minutes ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

 

He's only owned the team for 6 years and is one of the wealthiest owners in the league!  He's not going anywhere.

He was worth like $20 billion before buying into the league and could survive with or without revenue sharing whereas

the Brown family depend on it!  Not a very good example.  

 

 

So then the league is perfectly fine keeping owners in the league even if their stadiums are empty so long as the owner themselves is one of the wealthiest owners. 

 

So then your original premise that the league cares about empty stadiums is faulty. 

 

Got it.

[Randle P McMurphy]

Just now, Jamie_B said:

 

 

So then the league is perfectly fine keeping owners in the league even if their stadiums are empty so long as the owner themselves is one of the wealthiest owners. 

 

So then your original premise that the league cares about empty stadiums is faulty. 

 

Got it.

 

No my original premise was that we as FANS can affect BENGALS ownership with empty stadiums.  The Brown family is totally dependent on what

they make as far as revenue from seat licenses/ticket sales and team paraphernalia plus  the revenue sharing, (welfare).  They have no other source

of income.  Tepper makes more outside of the NFL than he does inside the NFL and is the type of owner that would vote to change the revenue

sharing or entirely get rid of the "welfare," recipients.  

[Jamie_B]

44 minutes ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

 

No my original premise was that we as FANS can affect BENGALS ownership with empty stadiums.  The Brown family is totally dependent on what

they make as far as revenue from seat licenses/ticket sales and team paraphernalia plus  the revenue sharing, (welfare).  They have no other source

of income.  Tepper makes more outside of the NFL than he does inside the NFL and is the type of owner that would vote to change the revenue

sharing or entirely get rid of the "welfare," recipients.  

 

Except that the revenue sharing model has been votes on again and again by these very owners

[Randle P McMurphy]

13 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

 

Except that the revenue sharing model has been votes on again and again by these very owners

 

And that still wasn't enough for Mike Brown!  (See the bolded part!)  

 

 

Brown has taken abuse from many big-market owners who argue he has not done enough to maximize revenue, from employing a small sales staff to not selling stadium naming rights until 2022, when Paycor replaced Paul Brown on the venue façade. The Bengals were the least valuable ($4.71 billion) and had the third lowest revenue ($554 million) in Sportico’s NFL team valuations published earlier this month.

In 2006, the Bengals and Buffalo Bills were the lone dissenting votes in the collective bargaining agreement between players and owners. The deal introduced a revenue-sharing system to support low-revenue teams, but Brown and Wilson felt that smaller markets would still struggle with the spike in player costs that resulted from the CBA.

[Jamie_B]

7 minutes ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

 

And that still wasn't enough for Mike Brown!  (See the bolded part!)  

 

 

Brown has taken abuse from many big-market owners who argue he has not done enough to maximize revenue, from employing a small sales staff to not selling stadium naming rights until 2022, when Paycor replaced Paul Brown on the venue façade. The Bengals were the least valuable ($4.71 billion) and had the third lowest revenue ($554 million) in Sportico’s NFL team valuations published earlier this month.

In 2006, the Bengals and Buffalo Bills were the lone dissenting votes in the collective bargaining agreement between players and owners. The deal introduced a revenue-sharing system to support low-revenue teams, but Brown and Wilson felt that smaller markets would still struggle with the spike in player costs that resulted from the CBA.

 

And not one of those owners even hinted at voting Brown out of the league.

 

Not one. 

 

And before you go there, yup Jerry Jones (not exactly the bastion of good owners) has his issues with Brown, but he has never even hinted at wanting him out of the league 

[Randle P McMurphy]

7 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

 

And not one of those owners even hinted at voting Brown out of the league.

 

Not one. 

 

And before you go there, yup Jerry Jones (not exactly the bastion of good owners) has his issues with Brown, but he has never even hinted at wanting him out of the league 

 

What makes you think I would go there?  (Regarding Jerry Jones?)  Other than sales and marketing, he's about as ignorant and stubborn as Mike Brown!  

He thinks he's a better talent evaluator than anyone in the league but hasn't done shit since he let Jimmy Johnson go!  Yeah they won a SB

with Switzer but anyone with more than 2 marbles between their ears knows Johnson was responsible for that team!   What's Switzer doing

now?  Running an Air BnB in Norman Oklahoma.  lol  The Brown family keeps voting against progress and they'll either be left behind, (which is what is currently happening as their franchise is the LEAST valuable in the league!) OR they'll be left out entirely, (which is probably not far off in the future!) as I don't see things changing even after Mike kicks the bucket!  That's my opinion.  It may differ from yours but that doesn't make it wrong.  

[-GoBengals-]

22 hours ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

 

 

Don't forget the worst ownership in ALL SPORTS!  But back to the worst fanbase in sports.  The worst of the worst are the

one's that continually throw 10's of thousands of dollars at the worst ownership in team sports allowing them to continue

to operate a multi billion dollar franchise like a panhandler that spends all day in a wheelchair with a little white cup begging

for change only to get up at the end of the day and walk over to their Mercedes Maybach S680.  Sound familiar?  lol

 

 

 

this is good, this proves my point.. 

 

a greedier owner would have left for baltimore or LA long ago.. so both on that one..

[-GoBengals-]

2 hours ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

 

What makes you think I would go there?  (Regarding Jerry Jones?)  Other than sales and marketing, he's about as ignorant and stubborn as Mike Brown!  

He thinks he's a better talent evaluator than anyone in the league but hasn't done shit since he let Jimmy Johnson go!  Yeah they won a SB

with Switzer but anyone with more than 2 marbles between their ears knows Johnson was responsible for that team!   What's Switzer doing

now?  Running an Air BnB in Norman Oklahoma.  lol  The Brown family keeps voting against progress and they'll either be left behind, (which is what is currently happening as their franchise is the LEAST valuable in the league!) OR they'll be left out entirely, (which is probably not far off in the future!) as I don't see things changing even after Mike kicks the bucket!  That's my opinion.  It may differ from yours but that doesn't make it wrong.  

 

 

you think jerry jones is the best talent evaluator than anyone in the league?

 

holy shit.

 

this sums up all of my points i guess.

[-GoBengals-]

Mcpherson FG percentage 71.4%

justin Tucker FG Percentage: 73.9%

 

ravens also have an out after next year in his deal taking a 7.5 mil cap hit...

 

 

[Randle P McMurphy]

16 minutes ago, GoBengals said:

 

 

you think jerry jones is the best talent evaluator than anyone in the league?

 

holy shit.

 

this sums up all of my points i guess.

 

You have amazing reading skills!  

 

2 hours ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

 

What makes you think I would go there?  (Regarding Jerry Jones?)  Other than sales and marketing, he's about as ignorant and stubborn as Mike Brown!  

He thinks he's a better talent evaluator than anyone in the league but hasn't done shit since he let Jimmy Johnson go!  Yeah they won a SB

with Switzer but anyone with more than 2 marbles between their ears knows Johnson was responsible for that team!   What's Switzer doing

now?  Running an Air BnB in Norman Oklahoma.  lol  The Brown family keeps voting against progress and they'll either be left behind, (which is what is currently happening as their franchise is the LEAST valuable in the league!) OR they'll be left out entirely, (which is probably not far off in the future!) as I don't see things changing even after Mike kicks the bucket!  That's my opinion.  It may differ from yours but that doesn't make it wrong.  

 

That clearly say HE thinks not I think!  Tell us all how dumb and delusional we are again!  

 

 

 

[Randle P McMurphy]

34 minutes ago, GoBengals said:

 

this is good, this proves my point.. 

 

a greedier owner would have left for baltimore or LA long ago.. so both on that one..

 

Why leave Cincinnati when he has backers like yourself willing to throw 10's of thousands of dollar at him year after year

for a consistently shit product!?  lol  You think the media is bad in Cincinnati just think how he'd be portrayed in L.A.! 

[esjbh2]

21 minutes ago, GoBengals said:

Mcpherson FG percentage 71.4%

justin Tucker FG Percentage: 73.9%

 

ravens also have an out after next year in his deal taking a 7.5 mil cap hit...

 

 

Well, just to be fair, Tucker is having a bad year too so not the best comparison if you're trying to help MoneyMac's cause.  Not saying that's what you were intending, but just to clarify.

 

Honestly I think the issue with Mac is that initially there were real problems with the snaps and holds...after that it just got into his head and he got the yips...I'll think he'll be just fine and back to his old self at some point...maybe even now...hopefully.

 

[Randle P McMurphy]

McPherson is one of the least players I'm worried about!  The kid was on a pretty amazing streak and like any and all 

players they go through something sooner or later.  

 

Maybe if the run game existed at all, they could keep the shit defense off the field.  That's been a problem all season and

there's been no changes in the OL except for injuries!  The interior of the OL is horrible and hasn't been affected by injuries

so far yet ZERO changes have been made.  Even for just ONE SERIES!  Karras is average and Cappa and Volson suck!  If

Orlando Brown is able to play, why not let Cody Ford slide over to a G position, let Karras slide over to the other G position

and let the rook Lee come in at C!?  I'm sure Lee would have been happy to come in during the bye week to put in some

extra work with Burrow.  Nah!  Status Quo from top to bottom in this organization!  

[Jamie_B]

3 hours ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

 

What makes you think I would go there?  (Regarding Jerry Jones?)  Other than sales and marketing, he's about as ignorant and stubborn as Mike Brown!  

He thinks he's a better talent evaluator than anyone in the league but hasn't done shit since he let Jimmy Johnson go!  Yeah they won a SB

with Switzer but anyone with more than 2 marbles between their ears knows Johnson was responsible for that team!   What's Switzer doing

now?  Running an Air BnB in Norman Oklahoma.  lol  The Brown family keeps voting against progress and they'll either be left behind, (which is what is currently happening as their franchise is the LEAST valuable in the league!) OR they'll be left out entirely, (which is probably not far off in the future!) as I don't see things changing even after Mike kicks the bucket!  That's my opinion.  It may differ from yours but that doesn't make it wrong.  

 

Sure it's your opinion, but the league has had ample opportunity to do it and they haven't so I guess I'm left wondering how you could possibly have come to that opinion given the facts.

[Randle P McMurphy]

1 minute ago, Jamie_B said:

 

Sure it's your opinion, but the league has had ample opportunity to do it and they haven't so I guess I'm left wondering how you could possibly have come to that opinion given the facts.

 

And there's still time to do it.  NFL Franchise values are going up and up year after year and with PE firms being able to buy in they'll go up

even higher yet Cincinnati won't have any PE firms buying in and probably won't increase in value as much as the other franchises if at all

and the other owners will get tired of the Brown family refusing to come out of the "stone age," and get with the program!  If fans aren't happy

with the way the Bengals organization is run, how do you think the one's having to share revenue are going to feel!?  Especially an owner that

voted AGAINST revenue sharing to begin with meaning he doesn't even appreciate what they're doing for him!  I'm looking at it from another

owner's perspective in that regard, not from a fan's perspective.  That's how I've come to that opinion!  Jamie if you personally had to give up

a portion of your company's profit to someone that didn't even appreciate you doing that to the point they voted against it, you wouldn't be

pissed off at that owner!?   Seriously?  C'mon man.  lol

[dex]

50 minutes ago, esjbh2 said:

Well, just to be fair, Tucker is having a bad year too so not the best comparison if you're trying to help MoneyMac's cause.  Not saying that's what you were intending, but just to clarify.

 

Honestly I think the issue with Mac is that initially there were real problems with the snaps and holds...after that it just got into his head and he got the yips...I'll think he'll be just fine and back to his old self at some point...maybe even now...hopefully.

 

McPherson struggled last season too. Not as badly as this one to be sure, but the numbers don't lie. 

[Jamie_B]

10 minutes ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

 

And there's still time to do it.  NFL Franchise values are going up and up year after year and with PE firms being able to buy in they'll go up

even higher yet Cincinnati won't have any PE firms buying in and probably won't increase in value as much as the other franchises if at all

and the other owners will get tired of the Brown family refusing to come out of the "stone age," and get with the program!  If fans aren't happy

with the way the Bengals organization is run, how do you think the one's having to share revenue are going to feel!?  Especially an owner that

voted AGAINST revenue sharing to begin with meaning he doesn't even appreciate what they're doing for him!  I'm looking at it from another

owner's perspective in that regard, not from a fan's perspective.  That's how I've come to that opinion!  Jamie if you personally had to give up

a portion of your company's profit to someone that didn't even appreciate you doing that to the point they voted against it, you wouldn't be

pissed off at that owner!?   Seriously?  C'mon man.  lol

 

Time to do it? This seems more like projection than anything based in reality. The reality is they have had decades to do it and there hasn't even been a hint at it.

[Randle P McMurphy]

2 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

 

Time to do it? This seems more like projection than anything based in reality. The reality is they have had decades to do it and there hasn't even been a hint at it.

 

Just because they haven't done it doesn't mean it's not going to happen.  Like I said, it's an opinion.  The reality also is Mike Brown owns/runs the

least valuable of 32 available franchises and has since 1991 and shows no want to get with the program and even votes against the very thing,

(profit sharing), that allows him to operate that franchise.  There's less and less "old school/family,"  run teams in the NFL these days whose only income comes

from the NFL these days.  Rooney's, Mara, Spanos and Hunt's are the only one's off the top of my head and those owner's don't run their teams like a mom and

pop operation.  These newer owner's coming in probably won't stand for it much longer.  (Again, my opinion).  We'll see.  

[Jamie_B]

Just now, Randle P McMurphy said:

 

Just because they haven't done it doesn't mean it's not going to happen.  Like I said, it's an opinion.  The reality also is Mike Brown owns/runs the

least valuable of 32 available franchises and has since 1991 and shows no want to get with the program and even votes against the very thing,

(profit sharing), that allows him to operate that franchise.  There's less and less "old school/family,"  run teams in the NFL these days whose only income comes

from the NFL these days.  Rooney's, Mara, Spanos and Hunt's are the only one's off the top of my head and those owner's don't run their teams like a mom and

pop operation.  These newer owner's coming in probably won't stand for it much longer.  (Again, my opinion).  We'll see.  

 

He's voted against the majority for years though and nothing has come of it.

 

I feel like this is where I should put that meme 

 

[T-Dub]

1 hour ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

 

Why leave Cincinnati when he has backers like yourself willing to throw 10's of thousands of dollar at him year after year

for a consistently shit product!?  lol  You think the media is bad in Cincinnati just think how he'd be portrayed in L.A.! 

 

Had to take a moment to ponder how many teams LA already chewed up and spit out..  Now it's got 2 more & I'm not sure anyone there is that attached to either one.   Are the Rams back for good even with the recent Super Bowl?  Do the Chargers borrow their gear?  It's much more of a baseball town, even before this Dodgers run.

 

Imagine the Los Angeles Bengals.  Funny, right?

 

 

[Randle P McMurphy]

1 minute ago, T-Dub said:

 

Had to take a moment to ponder how many teams LA already chewed up and spit out..  Now it's got 2 more & I'm not sure anyone there is that attached to either one.   Are the Rams back for good even with the recent Super Bowl?  Do the Chargers borrow their gear?  It's much more of a baseball town, even before this Dodgers run.

 

Imagine the Los Angeles Bengals.  Funny, right?

 

 

 

Like the other owner's would have voted to approve Mike Brown of all people to move his franchise to L.A. to begin with!  lolol

[|High School Harry|]