Who is NOT to blame??

[big_dish]

Players, coaches, mgmt, etc... Who can you [b]not[/b] lay the blame of this disgusting display of an NFL team on?

My list:

TJ
Kenny Watson
Bobby Williams
DeDe
Whitworth

Dhani
Michael Meyers
Chinedum
Geathers (got switched around, not his fault)

Brad St Louis
Kyle Larson

The custodial staff

Thats all I can think of... Anyone have people that fulfilled their end of the bargain that I forgot?

[BengalSIS]

[quote name='big_dish' post='610400' date='Dec 16 2007, 06:46 PM']Players, coaches, mgmt, etc... Who can you [b]not[/b] lay the blame of this disgusting display of an NFL team on?

My list:

TJ
Kenny Watson
Bobby Williams
DeDe
Whitworth

Dhani
Michael Meyers
Chinedum
Geathers (got switched around, not his fault)

Brad St Louis
Kyle Larson

The custodial staff

Thats all I can think of... Anyone have people that fulfilled their end of the bargain that I forgot?[/quote]


Shayne do anything to lose his check?

[|Tigers Johnson|]

I say we start a thread...Who did their job? and Who needs to hit the road?

[big_dish]

[quote name='BengalSIS' post='610404' date='Dec 16 2007, 06:47 PM']Shayne do anything to lose his check? [/quote]


I know he has missed a couple kicks (all kickers do, so thats fine) but if I remember, one was a game winner/tie-er and he blew it.

If I'm wrong about that, then I would put him on the list too.

[bengalsfan850]

tj
kenny w
bobbie
andrews
dede
whit

geathers
peko
landon
dhani
jonjoe
leon

shayne
larson

[BengalInPa]

Who needs to hit the road...

1)Rudi - Lack of production or there of
2) Justin - Show me the money, no you show me the sacks or pressure
3) Deltha Oneil - He was a cancer and a bum when he came over from Denver, and he's a caner and a bum here
4) John Thornton - Has he been invisible this year or what
5) Dexter Jackson - He sucked in Tampa, and he sucks here, he needs to thak John Lynch for getting him paid after the SB
6) WR's 4-5-6, Hell Chris Henry did more than the three of them combined

And you can add more to it....

[big_dish]

[quote name='bengalsfan850' post='610409' date='Dec 16 2007, 06:50 PM']tj
kenny w
bobbie
andrews
dede
whit

geathers
peko
landon
dhani
jonjoe
leon

shayne
larson[/quote]


oops, I forgot Peko.

I wont include JonJo or Hall on my list just because they have been part of the problem (admittedly, the both are inexperienced, the scheme sucks, and the DLine gets no pressure).... But they are still part of the problem IMHO. Next year they should be better, unless the Bengal coaches "coach" them up more, then they will digress like everyone else.

[Bengals1181]

[quote name='BengalInPa' post='610413' date='Dec 16 2007, 06:55 PM']Who needs to hit the road...

1)Rudi - Lack of production or there of
2) Justin - Show me the money, no you show me the sacks or pressure
3) Deltha Oneil - He was a cancer and a bum when he came over from Denver, and he's a caner and a bum here
4) John Thornton - Has he been invisible this year or what
5) Dexter Jackson - He sucked in Tampa, and he sucks here, he needs to thak John Lynch for getting him paid after the SB
6) WR's 4-5-6, Hell Chris Henry did more than the three of them combined

And you can add more to it....[/quote]


deltha saying he wants to play more doesn't make him a cancer.

[bengalsfan850]

[quote name='big_dish' post='610414' date='Dec 16 2007, 06:56 PM']oops, I forgot Peko.

I wont include JonJo or Hall on my list just because they have been part of the problem (admittedly, the both are inexperienced, the scheme sucks, and the DLine gets no pressure).... But they are still part of the problem IMHO. Next year they should be better, unless the Bengal coaches "coach" them up more, then they will digress like everyone else.[/quote]

while i agree they have fucked up too much for my liking, i have to give them credit considering the zero pass rush we have had this year, but i agree they are borderline for this list

[BengalSIS]

[quote name='big_dish' post='610408' date='Dec 16 2007, 06:50 PM']I know he has missed a couple kicks (all kickers do, so thats fine) but if I remember, one was a game winner/tie-er and he blew it.

If I'm wrong about that, then I would put him on the list too.[/quote]


If you are remembering the preseason kick, then yes. Otherwise, he hasn't cost us any game this year, in my opinion. And he's still sitting in the top group of the league.

[|doogles|]

[quote name='BengalSIS' post='610404' date='Dec 16 2007, 06:47 PM']Shayne do anything to lose his check? [/quote]

Shayne, naturally, has been money all year. He missed his first try of the year if I recall (long 53yd) but that was right after the injury that we all seemed to forget about after a few weeks. He missed another one a few weeks ago. But his percentage is super-high, and he's shortly going to set a franchise record for FGs in a season.

Ask him to keep working on kickoff distance for next year and we'll be all set!

go-bengals.com has spoken: Shayne may keep all his checks this year.

-jd

[cwing]

[quote name='BengalSIS' post='610404' date='Dec 16 2007, 06:47 PM']Shayne do anything to lose his check? [/quote]

Yes -------- consistently short, flat kickoffs and all those squib kicks because of all those short, flat kickoffs.

[cwing]

[quote name='BengalSIS' post='610428' date='Dec 16 2007, 07:33 PM']If you are remembering the preseason kick, then yes. Otherwise, he hasn't cost us any game this year, in my opinion. And he's still sitting in the top group of the league.[/quote]

He has 2 jobs not just 1. Job #1 he is money the other he sucks. In todays game you cannot afford a roster spot for a kick off specialist and he needs to improve in this area.

[|doogles|]

[quote name='cwing' post='610447' date='Dec 16 2007, 08:28 PM']Yes -------- consistently short, flat kickoffs and all those squib kicks because of all those short, flat kickoffs.[/quote]

I think the weak ST coverage early in the year had a lot to do with the squibs and directional[?] kicks.

-jd

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='doogles' post='610449' date='Dec 16 2007, 08:32 PM']I think the weak ST coverage early in the year had a lot to do with the squibs and directional[?] kicks.

-jd[/quote]


pretty much

[BengalSIS]

For the record...as some have pointed out...the short/squibs in the first half of season were coach ordered kicks due to coverage issues and a rotating ST unit.

His other kickoffs once injury was healed, are right in line with the other good kickers in the league. You won't get a kicker that will consistently lead in both categories. Take your pick what's more important.

Check out the stats for yourself.

[claptonrocks]

Shayne Graham earned his paycheck and sjip;d have collected some of the money Wasted on Anderson, Rudi, Rucker, Bluto, Chris Perry and a host of others that contributed practically nothing to this team.......

This team is a mess.
All I see is 8-8 five years ago and the same damn record with alot of vets now 5 years older.

[Patmo]

[quote name='BengalSIS' post='610460' date='Dec 16 2007, 10:02 PM']For the record...as some have pointed out...the short/squibs in the first half of season were coach ordered kicks due to coverage issues and a rotating ST unit.

His other kickoffs once injury was healed, are right in line with the other good kickers in the league. You won't get a kicker that will consistently lead in both categories. Take your pick what's more important.

Check out the stats for yourself.[/quote]

The Bengals have one of the best kicking games in the NFL. Because of weather kickoff's are always shorter in cold weather than in warm weather. Shayne,Kyle and Brad are golden in my book.

[Bengals1181]

[quote name='Patmo' post='610470' date='Dec 16 2007, 09:22 PM']The Bengals have one of the best kicking games in the NFL. Because of weather kickoff's are always shorter in cold weather than in warm weather. Shayne,Kyle and Brad are golden in my book.[/quote]

IMO, Brad is somewhere between Bronze and Silver. Far too many high snaps.

[Arkansas Bengal]

[quote name='big_dish' post='610400' date='Dec 16 2007, 05:46 PM']Players, coaches, mgmt, etc... Who can you [b]not[/b] lay the blame of this disgusting display of an NFL team on?

My list:

TJ
Kenny Watson
Bobby Williams
DeDe
Whitworth

Dhani
Michael Meyers
Chinedum
Geathers (got switched around, not his fault)

[b]Brad St Louis
[/b]Kyle Larson

The custodial staff

Thats all I can think of... Anyone have people that fulfilled their end of the bargain that I forgot?[/quote]


St Louis needs to go--he's had numerous high snaps this year. Thank god Larson was able to pull most of them down. We need to be looking for a new long snapper in 2008.

[Who Dey Forever]

[quote name='BengalSIS' post='610404' date='Dec 16 2007, 06:47 PM']Shayne do anything to lose his check? [/quote]
Of course. But a family member won't point that out.

[BengalSIS]

[quote name='CJ4MVP85' post='610484' date='Dec 16 2007, 10:02 PM']Of course. But a family member won't point that out.[/quote]


?? such as?

[Who Dey Forever]

[quote name='BengalSIS' post='610487' date='Dec 16 2007, 10:17 PM']?? such as?[/quote]
Such as you always trying to support him all the damn time...Like that game against pissburgh..yeah that was a great game by shayne wasnt it..

[BengalSIS]

[quote name='CJ4MVP85' post='610488' date='Dec 16 2007, 10:18 PM']Such as you always trying to support him all the damn time...Like that game against pissburgh..yeah that was a great game by shayne wasnt it..[/quote]


Hello...get with program. Can we talk about THIS year? here's your chance. I'm askin you to tell me why a kicker with a 90% kicking avg and no blown kicks doesn't deserve his paycheck.

[Rumble In the Jungle]

why do you have to bring shayne in every thread ? great, he did good this year, we're not talking smack about him! but we are a shitty team too! wish he could of connected last year on that last game, but oh well. im not trying to harp on him, im just pissed about all of this shit.