Ann Coulter: "Jews need to be perfected"

[Lawman]

[quote]Many of the Sufi practices for instance do not stem from the Qur'an[/quote]

[i]Correct, why is that?[/i]

[Lawman]

[quote name='BlackJesus' post='569870' date='Oct 14 2007, 08:10 PM'][b]CARM [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//39.gif[/img][/b][/quote]

[b]NOPE [/b]

[i]Try, the Quran. that's where my material is coming from. Essentially, speaking that is.[/i]

[Homer_Rice]

[quote name='Lawman' post='569896' date='Oct 14 2007, 08:43 PM']Now, write 100 times, Virgin Birth means No Intercourse or penetration required.[/quote]
According to my copy of Edith Hamilton's Myths of the Greeks, which is preserved in a vat of super-vinegar pickle juice, and hence is thus immune to the total entropy associated with the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, Perseus and Dionysus both were born by the process of parthenogenesis. Rumor has it that, in the case of Perseus, there was a golden shower involved (or maybe that was his mother.)

[Go Tory Go!]

[quote name='Homer_Rice' post='569908' date='Oct 14 2007, 09:00 PM']According to my copy of Edith Hamilton's Myths of the Greeks, which is preserved in a vat of super-vinegar pickle juice, and hence is thus immune to the total entropy associated with the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, Perseus and Dionysus both were born by the process of parthenogenesis. Rumor has it that, in the case of Perseus, there was a golden shower involved (or maybe that was his mother.)[/quote]

Interesting. I keep my copy deep-frozen at 1 degree Kelvin.

[Khatmandude]

[quote name='Lawman' post='569834' date='Oct 14 2007, 08:54 PM'][i]Vulgarity, must of struck a nerve.[/i]

[b]Ishaq:235[/b] [color="#000080"]"In the year of the Prophet's arrival, Abu Umamah died from a rattling in the throat. The Messenger said, 'His death is an evil thing for the Jews and the Arab Hypocrites for they are sure to say, "If Muhammad were really a prophet his companion would not have died." [b]But truly, I have no power with Allah either for myself or for my companions[/b].'"[/color]

[b]Tabari VII:7 [/b[color="#000080"]]"The Prophet married Aisha in Mecca three years before the Hijrah, after the death of Khadija. At the time she was six." [/color]

[b]Ishaq:281[/b] "[color="#000080"]When the Apostle came to Medina he was fifty-three." [/color]

[b]Tabari VII:6[/b] [color="#000080"]"In May, 623 A.D./A.H. 1, Allah's Messenger consummated his marriage to Aisha."[/color]

[b]Tabari IX:128[/b] [color="#000080"]"When the Prophet married Aisha, she was very young and not yet ready for consummation."[/color] [i]Muhhamad would die 10 years later.[/i]

[b]Tabari IX:131[/b] [color="#000080"]"My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. [b]The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old[/b]."[/color]

[b]Bukhari:V9B86N98[/b] "The Prophet said, 'A virgin should not be married till she is asked for her consent.' 'O Apostle! How will the virgin express her consent.' He said, 'By remaining silent.'"

[b]Bukhari:V9B87N139-40[/b] "Allah's Apostle told Aisha, 'You were shown to me twice in my dreams [a.k.a. sexual fantasies]. I beheld a man or angel carrying you in a silken cloth. He said to me, "She is yours, so uncover her." And behold, it was you. I would then say to myself, "[b]If this is from Allah, then it must happen."[/b]

[i]So Allah said, go ahead "Muhhamad" you can insert your 53 year old penis into this nine-year old childs vagina.[/i]

[b]Ibn Ishaq; al Bukhari, al Tabari[/b] - [i]Each verse provided were in the context of Muhammad's life and were quoted from the Sunnah; by Islam's earliest and most trusted sources, the afore mentioned individuals.[/i]

[i]Ishaq's [u]Sira, or biography[/u], called [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sira"]Sirat Rasul Allah[/url], provides the lone account of Muhammad's life and the formation of Islam written within 200 years of the prophet's death.[/i]

[i]So you see IKOTA, this is not coming from some hate-site; this is coming from the sources within Islam.[/i][/quote]
Background study is needed by Lawman, which he refuses to do (kinda keeps from furthering biased views). He also takes verses and hadiths out of context (again, an effective way to decieve). Do a bit of background study and realize that the Quran and many hadiths came in a time of war......so yes, you will have some verses/hadiths to pertain to the "sword" but why were they revealed? When were they revealed? What was going on at the time of their revelation? These things are as important as the revelation itself. Why are these things ignored? Ah yes.......I think we all know the answer to that.

The vulgarity came cause my Bearcats were losing and I was pissed as it was.....then I see Lawman's ignorant ass post things about Muhammad who was one of the most noble men to walk the earth. So yeah, I got even more pissed but I looked at the posts today and laughed......his post and mine. Lawman has been trained well (by himself or by others in Converting other to Christianity 101) how to post bits and scraps here and there to further your point. I could do the same with the Bible but what's the point? I don't need to discredit somebody else's religion so that they will convert to mine. If Christianity had so much to offer, then I would doubt someone would have to decievingly try to discredit other religions as opposed to highlighting the good in their religion. God guides those who He wills.

What about Mary, Jesus' mother peace, be upon both of them? How old was she when she got pregnant?

Not only was it a custom in the Arab society to engage/marry a young girl it was also common in the Jewish society. the case of Mary the mother of Jesus comes to mind, in non biblical sources she was between 11-14 years old when she conceived Jesus. Mary had already been "BETHROED" to Joseph before conceiving Jesus. Joseph was a much older man. therefore Mary was younger than 11-14 years of age when she was "BETHROED" to Joseph. Muslims would never call Joseph a child molester, nor would we refer to the "Holy Ghost" of the Bible, that "Impregnated" Mary as a "Rapist" or "Adulterer".

As for the Prophet's marriage to Aisha, this was an exception as far his wives are concerned and was divinely ordered. If you study each of his marriages, there was a reason for each and every single one of them. Him marrying Aisha was for the longterm benefit for all Muslims and HER FATHER GAVE MUHAMMAD HIS BLESSINGS 100% TO MARRY HIS DAUGHTER. Muhammad and her father were close companions. She was already engaged to someone before her parents broke off that engagement and she then got engaged to Muhammad. 1400 years ago, things were a whole lot different than they are now. For anyone who gives a damn, read below:

[quote]Why Did Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Married Young Aisha Siddiqa (r.a.)?

Through the centuries, orientalists have advance numerous accusations and far-fetched theories to discredit Islam and its last Prophet, Muhammad (peace be upon him). Praise be to Allah alone, all such accusations have been successfully refuted by the Muslims Ummah. Currently, one of the 'reinvented' accusations against the noble character of the Prophet is about his marriage to young Aisha Siddiqa (r.a.).

Let's probe some of the orientalists' charges in detail in the light of modern research, historic evidence and the Islamic sources of the Qur'an and the Sunnah to separate truth from falsehood, and display to the world that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is indeed an exemplary for all of mankind.

Two main theories are often advance by orientalists to attack the pure character of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) on his marriage to Aisha (r.a.) at her young age.

A. He was a Paedophile.

B. He was involved in child abuse.

Let's analyse each theory to dig out the truth, through the Guidance of Allah (SWT).

A. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) married Aisha (r.a.) because he was a paedophile?
Definition of a Paedophile:
"Pedophile: also spelled PAEDOPHILIA, psychosexual disorder in which an adult's arousal and sexual gratification occur primarily through sexual contact with prepubescent children. The typical paedophile is unable to find satisfaction in an adult sexual relationship and may have low self-esteem, seeing sexual activity with a child as less threatening than that with an adult." Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1998.

"pe.do.phil.ia n [NL] (1906): sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object -- pe.do.phil.i.ac or pe.do.phil.ic adj." Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary.

The diagnostic criteria for paedophilia according to American Psychiatric Association:

Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent intense sexual urges and sexual arousing fantasies involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children.
The person has acted on these urges, or is markedly distressed by them. The person is at least 16 years old and at least 5 years older than the child or children in A.

DSM-III-R Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, rev ed. 3, (American Psychiatric Association).

"In addition to their paedophilia, a significant number of paedophiles are concomitantly or have previously been involved in exhibitionism, voyeurism, or rape". (Voyeurism is the recurrent preoccupation with fantasised or acts that involve seeking out or observing people who are naked, or are engaged in grooming or in sexual activity).

Harold I. Kaplan et al., Synopsis of Psychiatry, 5th ed. (Williams and Wilkens, 1988), p. 360.

Does the prophet fit the above criteria of a paedophile? With the above criteria of a paedophile in mind, lets analyse the lifestyle of the prophet and his marriages.

Percentage of his wives who were 17 years and older = 91 %

Percentage of his wives who were widows = 75%

Comments: The statistics show that the prophet's marriage to Aisha at her young age was an exception and not a norm of his other marriages. Furthermore "a paedophile's main mode of sexual satisfaction is with prepubescent girls", which is contradictory to the 91% of prophet's marriage to women 17 years and over. An unbiased examination of Prophet's life and his marriages to his wives blatantly rejects the notion of his lifestyle fitting that of a paedophile. All his brides were aged widows (except Aisha and Marya).

Moreover, according to the criteria in the references cited above in Synopsis of Psychiatry, a vast majority of paedophiles possess a history of exhibitionism, voyeurism, or rape. Again, there is no single reference from either religious or secular sources that the noble Prophet ever indulged in such sadistic behaviour (God forbid). This truth is observed and accepted by both Muslims and unbiased non-Muslims scholars.

"It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great Prophet of Arabia, who knows how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel whenever I re-read them, a new way of admiration, a new sense of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher."

Annie Besant, The Life and Teachings of Muhammad (Madras, 1932), p. 4.

B. Others claim that the noble Prophet (peace be upon him) indulged in child-abuse when he married Aisha at her young age
Let scrutinise this allegation...

Definition of Child Abuse:
Child Abuse, also called CRUELTY TO CHILDREN, the wilful and unjustifiable infliction of pain and suffering on children. The term can denote the use of inordinate physical violence; unjustifiable verbal abuse; the failure to furnish proper shelter, nourishment, medical treatment, or emotional support; incest; other cases of sexual molestation or rape; and the making of child pornography. Frequently described by the medical profession as the "battered-child syndrome," abusive treatment of children is almost universally proscribed by criminal statutes. Child abuse can have serious future consequences for the victims involved. Delays in physical growth, impaired language and cognitive abilities, and problems in personality development, learning, and behaviour are common following instances of child abuse or neglect. Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1998

Comments: None of the criteria of child-abuse applies to the noble life of the Prophet (pbuh). There is no single incident of any infliction of pain and suffering by the prophet on Aisha or any other human being for that matter. Neither any instance of verbal or sexual abuse can be concluded from the relationship of the prophet with Aisha (r.a.) or any of his wives.

An abused child can have serious future consequences...delayed physical growth, impaired language..learning and behaviour...etc (above definition). As one examines the chaste life of Aisha (r.a.), her personality, physical, mental and spiritual development are all contrary to that of an abused child. In fact through the Prophet's marriage and his guidance to Aisha, history testifies that she should be labelled not as an abused child but as a 'blessed child'.

After analysing and refuting the accusations against the noble character of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), the only viable alternative left with us is:

C. The Prophet married Aisha for the benefit of Islam and Humanity
Lets analyse...

1. The Prophet married Aisha primarily for three reasons:

a. To reinforce the friendly relations already existing with Abu Bakr (his closest companion).

b. To educate and train Aisha for the purposes of Islam.

c. To utilise her capabilities for the sake of Islam.

2. Her Marriage with the prophet was a Wahy (Divine Revelation). She, herself relates from the Prophet. "He said, 'I saw you in dreams three times. The angel brought you to me and you were clad in white silk. He (the angel) said that it was your consort and he (angel) showed me by opening your face. You are just like that..." Sahih Muslim, Vol.2, p. 285.

3. Aisha (r.a.) was born after her parents had embraced Islam. Therefore, she was free from the defilement of polytheism right from her birth.

4. In her youth, already known for her striking beauty and her formidable memory, she came under the loving care and attention of the Prophet himself. As his wife and close companion she acquired from him knowledge and insight such as no woman has ever acquired.

Aisha lived on almost fifty years after the passing away of the Prophet. She had been his wife for a decade. Much of this time was spent in learning and acquiring knowledge of the two most important sources of God's guidance, the Qur'an and the Sunnah of His Prophet. Aisha (r.a.) was one of the three wives (the other two being Hafsa (r.a.) and Umm Salama (r.a.) who memorised the Revelation. Like Hafsa (r.a.), she had her own script of the Qur'an written after the Prophet had died.

So far as the Hadith or sayings of the Prophet is concerned, Aisha (r.a.) is one of four persons (the others being Abu Hurayra, Abdullah ibn Umar, and Anas ibn Malik) who transmitted more than two thousand sayings. From her, 2210 Hadith have come, out of which 174 Hadith are commonly agreed upon by both Bukhari and Muslim.

Many of her transmissions pertain to some of the most intimate aspects of personal behaviour which only someone in Aisha's position could have learnt. What is most important is that her knowledge of Hadith was passed on in written form by at least three persons including her nephew Urwah who became one of the greatest scholars among the generation after the Companions.[/quote]

Did you read all that? More to come.......

[Khatmandude]

[quote]Arwa Bin Zubair says,

"I did not find anyone more proficient [than Aisha (r.a.)] in the knowledge of the Holy Qur'an, the Commandments of Halal (lawful) and Haram (prohibited), Ilmul-Ansab and Arabic poetry. That is why, even senior companions of the Prophet used to consult Aisha (r.a.) in resolving intricate issued".

Ibn Qayyim and Ibn Sa'ad, Jala-ul-Afham, vol. 2, p. 26.

Abu Musa al-Ash'ari says:

"Never had we (the companions) had any difficulty for the solution of which we approached Aisha and did not get some useful information from her".

Sirat-I-Aisha, on the authority of Trimidhi, p. 163.

6. As a teacher she had a clear and persuasive manner of speech and her power of oratory has been described in superlative terms by al-Ahnaf who said: "I have heard speeches of Abu Bakr and Umar, Uthman and Ali and the Khulafa up to this day, but I have not heard speech more persuasive and more beautiful from the mouth of any person than from the mouth of Aisha."

The Prophet said,

"The superiority of 'Aisha to other ladies is like the superiority of Tharid (i.e. meat and bread dish) to other meals. Many men reached the level of perfection, but no woman reached such a level except Mary, the daughter of Imran and Asia, the wife of Pharaoh."

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith, Narrated by Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari Hadith 4.643.

Musa Ibn Talha (r.a.) says,

"I did not see anyone more eloquent than Aisha (r.a.)"

Mustadrak of Hakim, vol.4, p.11.

7. Men and women came from far and wide to benefit from her knowledge.

Aisha's great interest in the study of the Qur'an is understandable. She was an eye-witness to a number of revelations and had therefore a clear idea of the circumstances in which they were revealed. It was on her bed alone (and no other consort's) that the Prophet received Wahy (Divine Revelations) several times. This helped her in interpreting the verses.

8. At the time of the Prophet's death, the Prophet's head was on her lap. It was in her quarters that the Prophet was buried.[/quote]

[url="http://www.islamicity.com"]www.islamicity.com[/url]

[Khatmandude]

[i][size=3][b]"I have studied him (Muhammad) - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today."[/b][/size][/i]

George Bernard Shaw, The Genuine Islam, vol. 1, no. 81936.

[Bean Counter]

None of the major religions is without blood on its hands. You get things like that when religious belief is mixed with political power.

[Khatmandude]

Something a friend send to me during discussion on another message board....I thought it was very well said:

[quote]He is the best of creation and the best in character. Had he or her parents known that she was not ready in any way for the marriage, there was no reason for them not to wait a couple of years. Aisha's (raa) father Abu Bakr (RAA) was our prophet's best friend and companion since they were children. The love, trust, and faith between them and the honor with which they held each other was not ordinary. A promise or an extended engagement could not have hurt anyone, except that we do not know the wisdom behind timing for this marriage completely.

Therefore, the answer why they got married, when they did, is indeed that there was great wisdom in that marriage. We cannot understand all of it. We cannot even begin to fathom how much the community has benefited because Aisha (RAA) received a great deal of *training* under the kind care of our holy Prophet (SAW) since that age.

Not to mention she spent only 9 years of her entire life in marriage with him(SAW). ie she was a widow at the age of 18, but lived until 65. She was a scholar, a hadith narrator, a hafiz Quran (memorise the entire Quran), and a lot more. had her marriage been delayed, we dont know how it might have affected her character and development in terms of preservation of the religion. And we dont know if there would have been another candidate with the same family background, intelligence and persona to replace her.

Please note that every marriage of our Prophet (SAW) is an example in its own, and carries a wisdom in its own. there are several lessons to learn, and one cannot generalise or give a judgemental comment based on our perspectives of values.

He(SAW) has been recognised as the most successful leader of human generation. He could not have erred in his choices of social behaviors. He was sent on a divine mission, and his choices were goverened by divine inspirations.

The error is not in his examples, rather in human perceptions, analyses and following of those examples.

Peace,[/quote]

SAW means peace be upon him and RA means may Allah be pleased with her

[Khatmandude]

[quote]Lawman:
Qur'an 2:190 "Fight in Allah's Cause those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah like not the transgressors.

Apologist will say this fighting in a defensive posture, but retain what I have bolded "Fight in Allah's Cause".

What is Allahls Cause? World Submission to Islam; see Osama Bin Laden.[/quote]

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Also, I like how you bolded "fight in Allah's cause".........did you not see the rest of that hadith....."those who fight you, BUT DO NOT TRANGRESS LIMITS; FOR ALLAH LIKES NOT THE TRANSGRESSORS".

And now we see that Lawman has granted spokesmanship to Ayatollah Khomeini and Osama bin Laden in regards to Islam. Very objective and unbiased search for the truth this man seeks.......how honorable.

[USN Bengal]

[quote name='IKOTA' post='570484' date='Oct 15 2007, 12:30 PM']Something a friend send to me during discussion on another message board....I thought it was very well said:
SAW means peace be upon him and RA means may Allah be pleased with her[/quote]

Thanks for answering that... as I was about to ask what those acronyms meant.

I also thank you for your time in posting this information. I have been studying and looking for ALL sorts of information about the union with Aisha. This is yet another source to use that I didn't have before today.

[Khatmandude]

[b]Lawmans version from propoganda site:[/b]
Bukhari:V9B87N139-40 "Allah's Apostle told Aisha, 'You were shown to me twice in my dreams [a.k.a. sexual fantasies]. I beheld a man or angel carrying you in a silken cloth. He said to me, "She is yours, so uncover her." And behold, it was you. I would then say to myself, "If this is from Allah, then it must happen."


[b]Correct version:[/b]
"He said, 'I saw you in dreams three times. The angel brought you to me and you were clad in white silk. He (the angel) said that it was your consort and he (angel) showed me by opening your face. You are just like that..." Sahih Muslim, Vol.2, p. 285.

Apparently in Lawman's sexual fantasies..........he is turned on by a woman unveiling her face. Hubba Hubba.

[Khatmandude]

[quote name='USNBENGAL the Original' post='570617' date='Oct 15 2007, 03:52 PM']Thanks for answering that... as I was about to ask what those acronyms meant.

I also thank you for your time in posting this information. I have been studying and looking for ALL sorts of information about the union with Aisha. This is yet another source to use that I didn't have before today.[/quote]

No problem, it humbles me to know that I may be able to teach you something........I appreciate your presence on this board and even though I may not agree with everything you say, it is good to have your perspective.

[USN Bengal]

[quote name='IKOTA' post='570655' date='Oct 15 2007, 02:52 PM']No problem, it humbles me to know that I may be able to teach you something........I appreciate your presence on this board and even though I may not agree with everything you say, it is good to have your perspective.[/quote]

You're never too old to learn, listen, and assist. I am always looking to broaden my horizons and to listen to things different than what I was taught/led to believe.
It makes life a lot more interesting and peaceful if you can keep your mind open... when your mind narrows and you close the doors... truth can't get in as well as anything else!

In the end we are all brothers and sisters here on this rock, and it would be a helluva lot easier if we all just tried to be nice to one another.

[Khatmandude]

[quote name='USNBENGAL the Original' post='570673' date='Oct 15 2007, 04:31 PM']You're never too old to learn, listen, and assist. I am always looking to broaden my horizons and to listen to things different than what I was taught/led to believe.
It makes life a lot more interesting and peaceful if you can keep your mind open... when your mind narrows and you close the doors... truth can't get in as well as anything else!

In the end we are all brothers and sisters here on this rock, and it would be a helluva lot easier if we all just tried to be nice to one another.[/quote]

Agreed

[Lawman]

[quote name='IKOTA' post='570648' date='Oct 15 2007, 02:43 PM'][b]Lawmans version from propoganda site:[/b]
Bukhari:V9B87N139-40 "Allah's Apostle told Aisha, 'You were shown to me twice in my dreams [a.k.a. sexual fantasies]. I beheld a man or angel carrying you in a silken cloth. He said to me, "She is yours, so uncover her." And behold, it was you. I would then say to myself, "If this is from Allah, then it must happen."
[b]Correct version:[/b]
"He said, 'I saw you in dreams three times. The angel brought you to me and you were clad in white silk. He (the angel) said that it was your consort and he (angel) showed me by opening your face. You are just like that..." Sahih Muslim, Vol.2, p. 285.

Apparently in Lawman's sexual fantasies..........he is turned on by a woman unveiling her face. Hubba Hubba.[/quote]

[i].... and now , the rest of the story (from a pro-islam site) which actually says the same thing.[/i]

[url="http://www.iol.ie/~afifi/BICNews/Sabeel/sabeel6.htm"]http://www.iol.ie/~afifi/BICNews/Sabeel/sabeel6.htm[/url]

[color="#000080"]C. The Prophet married Aisha for the benefit of Islam and Humanity
Lets analyse...

1. The Prophet married Aisha primarily for three reasons:

a. To reinforce the friendly relations already existing with Abu Bakr (his closest companion).

b. To educate and train Aisha for the purposes of Islam.

c. To utilise her capabilities for the sake of Islam.

2. [b]Her Marriage with the prophet was a Wahy (Divine Revelation). She, herself relates from the Prophet. "He said, 'I saw you in dreams three times. The angel brought you to me and you were clad in white silk. He (the angel) said that it was your consort and he (angel) showed me by opening your face. You are just like that..." Sahih Muslim, Vol.2, p. 285.[/b]

3. Aisha (r.a.) was born after her parents had embraced Islam. Therefore, she was free from the defilement of polytheism right from her birth.

4. In her youth, already known for her striking beauty and her formidable memory, she came under the loving care and attention of the Prophet himself. As his wife and close companion she acquired from him knowledge and insight such as no woman has ever acquired.

Aisha lived on almost fifty years after the passing away of the Prophet. She had been his wife for a decade. Much of this time was spent in learning and acquiring knowledge of the two most important sources of God's guidance, the Qur'an and the Sunnah of His Prophet. Aisha (r.a.) was one of the three wives (the other two being Hafsa (r.a.) and Umm Salama (r.a.) who memorised the Revelation. Like Hafsa (r.a.), she had her own script of the Qur'an written after the Prophet had died.

So far as the Hadith or sayings of the Prophet is concerned, Aisha (r.a.) is one of four persons (the others being Abu Hurayra, Abdullah ibn Umar, and Anas ibn Malik) who transmitted more than two thousand sayings. From her, 2210 Hadith have come, out of which 174 Hadith are commonly agreed upon by both [b]Bukhari [/b]and Muslim.

Many of her transmissions pertain to some of the most intimate aspects of personal behaviour which only someone in Aisha's position could have learnt. What is most important is that her knowledge of Hadith was passed on in written form by at least three persons including her nephew Urwah who became one of the greatest scholars among the generation after the Companions.

It is the claim of the Scholars of Islam that without her, half of the Ilm-I-Hadith [knowledge, understanding of the Hadith (and Islam)] would have perished.

5. Many of the learned companions of the Prophet and their followers benefited from Aishah's knowledge. Abu Musa al-Ash'ari once said:

"If we companions of the Messenger of God had any difficulty on a matter, we asked Aisha about it."

"Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Said from Said ibn al-Musayyab that Abu Musa al-Ash'ari came to Aisha, the wife of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and said to her, "The disagreement of the companions in a matter which I hate to bring before you has distressed me." She said, "What is that? You did not ask your mother about it, so ask me." He said, "A man penetrates his wife, but becomes listless and does not ejaculate. "She said (Aisha), [b]"When the circumcised part passes the circumcised part [url="http://www.al-islam.org/laws/ghusl.html"]ghusl[/url] is obligatory[/b]." Abu Musa added, [b]"I shall never ask anyone about this after you."[/b][/color]

[b]Tabari IX:131 [/b]"[color="#000080"]My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. [b]The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old[/b]."[/color]

[i]So Muhammad al Tabari is wrong?[/i] [i]I don't think so, this an embarrasment cover-up imply Muhammad prematurely ejaculated, irrelevant this was a Nine year-old girl and intent is clearly evident.[/i]

[b]Bukhari:V9B86N98 [/b]"[color="#000080"]The Prophet said, 'A virgin should not be married till she is asked for her consent.' (Aisha) 'O Apostle! How will the virgin express her consent.' He said, [b]'By remaining silent.'[/b]"[/color]

[b]Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection (Surah 9:29).[/b]

[Khatmandude]

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Well, we all knew that Lawman's sanity was in question, but before he could at least read and comprehend some things...........this skill is apparently leaving him also.

[Lawman]

[i]Enoughs enough already, a must read for all.[/i]

[color="#000080"]The Two Faces of Islam . . . Still Smiling
Why All Muslims Benefit From Terrorism

[b]By David Wood[/b]

My hungry toddler woke me up this morning. After making his breakfast, I turned on my computer and found that London had just been struck by terrorists. As I watched news clips for the next few hours, I noticed that, for many in the West, the terror attacks brought back painful memories of September 11th, 2001. For me it was a little different. My thoughts weren’t drawn to the attacks against the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, but to an attack on a local mosque that took place shortly thereafter.

[b]Following the 9-11 attacks, a few enraged vandals smashed the windows of the Islamic Center near Old Dominion University in Norfolk, Virginia. When the pastor of a nearby church saw the students vandalizing the mosque, he called the police. Later in the day, police and school officials held a meeting to help ease some of the tension. After the meeting, an angry attendee caused a brief panic when he claimed that Islam is a religion of violence and bloodshed, and that the terrorists were only doing what they were commanded to do in the Qur’an. Several people (including myself) argued against him, confidently assuring the man that Islam is actually a religion of peace.[/b]

[b]My beliefs about Islam have changed since then (mostly because I’ve studied Islam)[/b]. Nevertheless, I recently realized why I had been so quick to defend the Muslim religion. Over the years, I’ve known several Muslims, and they have all been kind, peaceful individuals. Indeed, despite the popular portrait of Muslims burning flags and desecrating images of George Bush, [b]the majority of Muslims are normal, faithful, peaceful people, going about their daily lives with no intention of blowing up buildings or of burning anyone’s flag. Many in the West deny this, but they typically do so because they have never so much as talked to a Muslim.[/b]

The benevolent nature of these Muslims has a profound psychological effect on Westerners. It causes us to say, [b]"Wait a minute. Islam can’t be bad, because Muslims are such nice people. Thus, the terrorists who blow up buildings and subways must be extremists." Once we have convinced ourselves of this, we may even find ourselves defending Islam, as I once did. [/b]We know that people are angry at terrorists, and we know that some of these angry people may want to take out their anger on Muslims. So we end up defending Islam in order to protect our Muslim friends. [b]While protecting people is certainly a noble goal, defending Islam is an entirely different story.[/b]

If someone were to ask me, "David, do you believe that Islam is a religion of peace?" my answer would not be "Yes" or "No." Rather, my response would be, "First tell me what you mean when you say ‘Islam,’ for it is a term that is used in different ways." If by "Islam" we mean the religion that is practiced by more than a billion people around the world, I could reasonably answer with a qualified "Yes," because it is a religion of peace for many people (though not for all). But if by "Islam" we mean the religion taught by Muhammad, I would have to respond with a resounding "No."

At this point my Muslim readers will be saying to themselves, "What does this infidel mean? There is only one Islam, perfectly preserved in the Holy Qur’an from the time it was given to Prophet Muhammad by the angel Gabriel." However, much like the idea that the Qur’an has been perfectly preserved, the idea that Islam has only one face is completely false. There has always been a psychological crisis in Islam, and if I were to diagnose it as having a particular mental illness, I would probably argue that it suffers from [i]Multiple Personality Disorder.[/i] [b]Islam has never been able to decide whether it wants to live in peace with unbelievers, or to pile their severed, unbelieving heads into a giant pyramid[/b]. I’m sure many would disagree here, but they would be disagreeing with one of the most empirically verifiable facts in the universe. Think about it. [u]One Muslim beheads an innocent woman to protest the war in Iraq, while another Muslim curses him for slaying the innocent. One group of Muslims flies an aircraft into a building, while another group condemns the attack. One Muslim detonates a bomb on a bus filled with passengers, while another Muslim says on the evening news, "Islam is a religion of peace." Each side quotes the Qur’an to support its actions. However, it may be even more important to note that each of them is following the example set by Muhammad.[/u]

The reason that Islam suffers from Multiple Personality Disorder is that its founder also suffered from this disorder. I don’t mean this to be taken literally, of course. It is only meant to describe a peculiar phenomenon that went on in Muhammad’s head. When Muhammad first began receiving his "revelations," many of his neighbors in the city of Mecca took it upon themselves to mock and persecute him. Muhammad was a threat both to their immoral lifestyles and to their source of wealth (the pagan idols of the city brought plenty of revenue), and so he had to be stopped, or at least discredited. During this period, Muhammad was humble, devout in many ways, obedient to the message handed down to him, faithful in giving to the poor, and, in general, a fine moral example. In essence, he was like the many fine examples of dedicated Muslims we see in the world today. He preached a religion of peace, and the hadiths we have from this period reflect his peaceful temperament.

Then something happened. Muhammad fled Mecca and moved to Medina, where his political power rapidly increased. Soon he and his followers began raiding caravans to support the fledgling religion,[1] and, while Muhammad’s enemies multiplied, so did his followers. What followed can only be described as a reign of terror for those who refused to submit to Islam. Both men and women were slaughtered for writing satirical poems against Muhammad, and those who left the Islamic faith were exterminated. One woman was murdered in the dark for writing a poem against Muhammad; after she was slain, Muhammad declared that "Two goats won’t butt their heads about her."[2] Hundreds of Jews were beheaded (after surrendering) for standing against Muhammad, and their wives and children were sold into slavery.[3] A blind man who was reportedly more than a hundred years old had his head split open for saying that, if he could only see, he would throw a handful of dust at Muhammad.[4] When a man named Uqba was about to be killed by Muslims and showed concern for his family by asking, "But who will look after my children, O Muhammad?" Muhammad answered by telling the doomed man that Hell would take care of them.[5] (For more on Muhammad’s violent acts, see "Murdered By Muhammad.")

There are, of course, far more examples of violence than the ones listed here, but these should be sufficient to provide a picture of Muhammad’s idea of how Muslims should treat those who refuse to submit to Islam. Was Islam a religion of peace for the 600-900 Jewish men and boys whose heads were piled into trenches after they had surrendered? Was Islam a religion of peace for the woman who was stabbed to death in the midst of her five children? Was it a religion of peace for anyone who dared to speak out against Muhammad? No, it wasn’t. When Muhammad finally had a band of dedicated followers who would obey his violent commands without question, Islam was not a religion of peace.

Notice that we have approached this question regarding the nature of Islam using a basic historical analysis. Discussions about Islam typically revolve around certain verses in the Qur’an, but such discussions are often fruitless. The reason for this is that the Qur’an is very inconsistent in its approach towards unbelievers, due in large part to Muhammad’s own inconsistency. In conversations about Islam, a Muslim may argue that, according to the Qur’an, "There is no compulsion in religion" (2:256). A critic may reply with a very different passage:

Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection (9:29).

To this the Muslim replies, "Yes, it says to fight those who do not believe, but it is referring to unbelievers who attack Islam." Thus, according to many Muslims, Islam fights, but only in self-defense. So who’s right? The solution to the debate can be found in a historical examination of Islam. It is true that Muslims are only permitted to attack when threatened, but history shows what the early Muslims considered a threat. Anything other than complete submission to Islam was regarded as a threat to Islam, and so anything other than complete submission was met with extreme hostility. Even poetry and song lyrics, when used against Muhammad, were enough to warrant a sentence of death.[6]

Hence, the verses in the Qur’an that teach Muslims to live in peace should be examined within the historical context of Muhammad’s life, for it is this life that sheds light on an apparently ambiguous message. This historical context also sheds light on modern aspects of Islam, which ultimately derive from the life of its founder.

For instance, more than thirteen centuries ago, the relatively peaceful Muhammad fled Mecca because of intense persecution. As he fled the city, he left the path of peace farther and farther behind him. He eventually returned at the head of an army, and few were brave enough to oppose him. Islamic law was suddenly supreme, with a host of bloody tales to warn its enemies. A similar phenomenon occurs in the world today. When Muslims are in the minority (as they are in America) the message is always "Let us live in peace with one another, for Islam is a religion of tolerance and understanding." Then, once Islam has spread throughout the country, the message suddenly changes to "Anyone who stands against the Prophet is worthy of death!"

Oddly enough, this tactic has been remarkably successful for Islam. Despite more than a thousand years of bloodshed, many people are convinced that Muhammad was a gentle, humble man who never harmed anyone, and that Islam teaches its followers to be at peace with everyone who hasn’t declared war on them. Then, when someone like Osama bin Laden organizes a group of Muslims in an attack against thousands of innocent people, everyone says that he must be insane, and people around the world rush to defend Islam.

The result is simply amazing. Muslims commit acts of terror in Russia, Spain, America, England, Israel, and countless other countries around the world, and it actually causes certain people to support Islam even more! Think about it. A Muslim blows up a bus, but people don’t want other Muslims to be persecuted for it, so they start defending Islam. Legislators are among the most active in this regard. Laws threatening free speech about Islam are popping up everywhere (even in the United States and Great Britain[7]), declaring that statements against Islam will not be tolerated. Indeed, Australia is on the verge of sending pastors to prison for quoting passages of the Qur’an![8]

Today’s terrorist attacks in London, strangely enough, will help Islam grow even stronger. There will be a brief period of outrage against Islam, but once the smoke has cleared (both literally and figuratively), the world will once again rush to defend Islam, and more bills will be passed, "protecting" Muslims from those who would speak out against Muhammad’s "religion of peace." No matter how violent Islam becomes, as long as people fail to recognize that its two faces are part of the same head (and that both faces are calmly smiling as new laws make Islam untouchable), Muhammad’s empire of faith will thrive in a world of false tolerance.

Perhaps Osama bin Laden isn’t as crazy as everyone thinks, for his plan seems to be working perfectly. His attacks are strengthening Islam’s position in the world. In a curious way, bin Laden is more dedicated to true Islam than most Muslims are. If Muhammad told Muslims to fight in the name of God and demonstrated his meaning by killing men, women, and children for even minor resistance, what should a dedicated Muslim do? Should devout Muslims live in peace with the infidels around them, or should they follow Muhammad’s example by murdering the infidels in their beds?[9]

I’m very happy that most Muslims are willing to live in peace with their neighbors. Yet we have to be honest here. Benevolent Muslims aren’t peaceful because they are following the example set by Muhammad. They are peaceful because they’ve chosen to do what’s right, and because they are willing to live far better lives than Muhammad himself lived. In fact, many Muslims are such kind, peaceful, and gentle people that they seem to be following the example set by another great religious leader—one who died on the cross for the sins of the world and rose from the dead to prove his message. This man gave his listeners a sober warning: "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them" (Matthew 7:15). And, may I add, we should also watch out for false religions, which come to us crying "Peace! Peace!" when they are built on a foundation of murder and bloodshed.[/color]

[b]Notes:[/b]

[b]Qur’an quotations are taken from the M. H. Shakir Translation. The Bible quotation is from the New International Version.


1 According to Ibn Ishaq, Muhammad’s earliest biographer, Muhammad personally took part in 27 of these raids [Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah, (The Life of Muhammad), A. Guillaume, tr. (New York: Oxford University Press, 1980), p. 659]. I highly recommend Ibn Ishaq’s work for anyone who is interested in early Islam.

2 Ibid., p. 676.

3 Ibid., p. 464: “Then they surrendered, and the apostle [Muhammad] confined them in Medina . . . Then the apostle went out to the market of Medina (which is still a market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches. . . . There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900.”

4 Ibid., p. 372-373.

5 Ibid., p. 308.[/b]

[Lawman]

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Well, we all knew that Lawman's sanity was in question, but before he could at least read and comprehend some things...........this skill is apparently leaving him also.[/quote]

[i]I've spent the last three years studying your so-called religon. With information not readily available to all[/i]

[i]Please read my previous post with an open mind.[/i]

[i]Good night and Dod Bless you and your family IKOTA.[/i]

[Khatmandude]

[quote]"Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Said from Said ibn al-Musayyab that Abu Musa al-Ash'ari came to Aisha, the wife of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and said to her, "The disagreement of the companions in a matter which I hate to bring before you has distressed me." She said, "What is that? You did not ask your mother about it, so ask me." He said, "A man penetrates his wife, but becomes listless and does not ejaculate. "She said (Aisha), "When the circumcised part passes the circumcised part ghusl is obligatory." Abu Musa added, "I shall never ask anyone about this after you."[/quote]

So this is what you copied and pasted right? And this is what you interpreted the above to mean:
[quote]So Muhammad al Tabari is wrong? I don't think so, this an embarrasment cover-up imply Muhammad prematurely ejaculated, irrelevant this was a Nine year-old girl and intent is clearly evident[/quote]

OK, now let me explain something to you. Fist your jumping to a conclusion is telling of your motives and your wishful thinking. There is absolutely NO objectivity and interest in discussion, rather you attempt to decieve repeatedly.

Now, Aisha had knowledge of intimate matters and how Islam advises in these cases based on the actions and words of her husband, Muhammad. She would be an ideal person to ask since she shared a home with the one who would "rule" on such matters. She was also extremely knowledgable. [b]So, after Muhammad has passed.......[/b]this man comes to her to ask the Islamic ruling on if a man penetrates his wife and becomes listless and DOES NOT ejaculate....is this reason enough to have to perform the "ghusl" which is obligatory washing of oneself after intercourse. She stated that when the circumised part passes the cirmcuised part......that is considered enough to have to perform the "ghusl". As a Muslim, after intercourse with my wife, I must wash myself to maintain cleanliness. The person asking Aisha about this situation was wondering if what happened is reason enough to have to perform the "ghusl" (obligatory washing).

Where in there do you see anything about premature ejaculation? What does premature ejaculation have to do with anything? What does this situation have to do with Muhammad? Why can't you read?

Now, if you have taken something so simple and interpreted it such a way that it causes others to doubt your reading comprehension...would you not yourself question your ability to have fully comprehended/understoond other things you have read and maybe want to read them again........R E A L L Y ... S L O W L Y.........to better give yourself a chance at comprehension?

[Homer_Rice]

[quote name='Lawman' post='571070' date='Oct 15 2007, 09:27 PM'][i]I've spent the last three years studying your so-called religon. With information not readily available to all[/i]

[i]Please read my previous post with an open mind.[/i]

[i]Good night and Dod Bless you and your family IKOTA.[/i][/quote]
I've been wondering what your denomination is, Lawman. I've decided that you must be a Tourette's Christian.

Lawman: "But, Ikota, God loves you." [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/13.gif[/img] "FUCK ISLAM!" [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/13.gif[/img] "All, I'm doing is God's work..." [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/13.gif[/img] "TO WIPE OUT MUSSELMEN" [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/13.gif[/img] "May the light of God shine warmly in your soul" [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/13.gif[/img] "AS THIS IS A PREVIEW OF YOUR SOUL BURNING IN ETERNAL HELLFIRE."

Shame on you. You are a caricature of a parody of a tragedy for a human being. You think your God wants this behavior from you, Lawman? Sick. Sick. Sick.

[|BlackJesus|]

[quote name='Lawman' post='571070' date='Oct 15 2007, 09:27 PM'][i]I've spent the last three years [color="#FF0000"]reading propaganda from anti Islamic sites[/color] [s]studying your so-called religon.[/s] [color="#FF0000"]With cut and pasted out of context[/color] information [s]not[/s] readily available to [s]all[/s] [color="#FF0000"]anyone who googles "Muslims are terrorists" or "Muhammad the pedophile drank virgin blood"[/i][/color][/quote]

[Khatmandude]

[quote name='Lawman' post='571070' date='Oct 15 2007, 10:57 PM'][i]I've spent the last three years studying your so-called religon. With information not readily available to all[/i]

[i]Please read my previous post with an open mind.[/i]

[i]Good night and Dod Bless you and your family IKOTA.[/i][/quote]

Oh please share this ultra secret information on Islam with me!!!!!!!!!11 For the past 3 years, it seems you have looked for information that would backup your already formed prejudices on Islam as opposed to sincerely studying it.

You post a heavily slanted article and ask me to read with an open mind....ah the irony. Please read the below with an open mind:
"Lawman, you are a deciever. Your intentions and tactics are transparent and will never succeed in converting anyone to your so called religion. In your attempts to attract others to Christianity, you do quite the opposite and even force those on the fence to ask themselves why one would have to resort to such deception in trying to discredit another's religion to promote their own. Are deception and spreading falsehoods Christian values? You will never ever...ever....ever....ever......ever..............ever.....convert me to Christianity. As the only Muslim on this board, I have stated to you that I will not be "saved".........so what are your true motives? To spread disinformation and propoganda to further the hysteria that engulfs society these days in regards to Muslims. Those with weak minds will fall prey to your plan and seeing that a majority of people are weak minded, you will influence these people with your misinformation.......however as those people are weak, they are not significant, harmless in the grand scheme.....they will not make a difference so you can have them. Quality over quantity anyday. Oh, by the way......may you have sweet dreams tonight....."

I don't know Dod, so I'm not so sure I want him "blessing" me or anyone else I care about.

[Khatmandude]

[quote name='Homer_Rice' post='571088' date='Oct 15 2007, 11:22 PM']I've been wondering what your denomination is, Lawman. I've decided that you must be a Tourette's Christian.

[b]Lawman: "But, Ikota, God loves you." [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/13.gif[/img] "FUCK ISLAM!" [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/13.gif[/img] "All, I'm doing is God's work..." [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/13.gif[/img] "TO WIPE OUT MUSSELMEN" [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/13.gif[/img] "May the light of God shine warmly in your soul" [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/13.gif[/img] "AS THIS IS A PREVIEW OF YOUR SOUL BURNING IN ETERNAL HELLFIRE."[/b]

Shame on you. You are a caricature of a parody of a tragedy for a human being. You think your God wants this behavior from you, Lawman? Sick. Sick. Sick.[/quote]

[img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img]
The use of the emoticons to signify the changeover is brilliant!!!

[Lawman]

[quote name='Homer_Rice' post='571088' date='Oct 15 2007, 09:52 PM'][b]I've been wondering what your denomination is[/b],[/quote]

[i]Evidently not yours![/i]