|Bengal Migration| Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 [quote name='GoBengals' post='591472' date='Nov 12 2007, 02:08 AM']neither can rudi, thats why watson does.... soooo that doesnt add up.[/quote] Actually, it does. If Dorsey can pass block, he's the 3rd down back, and Watson starts. Rudi rides his little bike on the sidelines where he belongs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTBengalsFan Posted November 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Rudi: 93 car, 243 yards, 2.6 ypc, 0 TDs Kenny: 98 car, 436 yards, 4.4 ypc, 4 TDs I'm talking about who is the better back RIGHT NOW, who should be getting the bulk of the carries next week, as they are right now - injuries and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 [quote name='WhoDeyUK' post='591476' date='Nov 11 2007, 09:10 PM']Actually, it does. If Dorsey can pass block, he's the 3rd down back, and Watson starts. Rudi rides his little bike on the sidelines where he belongs.[/quote] or you would just rotate carries between watson and dorsey like they did when rudi was down and watson could have 3rd down duty.. like we did for several games already this year.. [quote name='CTBengalsFan' post='591484' date='Nov 11 2007, 09:14 PM']Rudi: 93 car, 243 yards, 2.6 ypc, 0 TDs Kenny: 98 car, 436 yards, 4.4 ypc, 4 TDs I'm talking about who is the better back RIGHT NOW, who should be getting the bulk of the carries next week, as they are right now - injuries and all.[/quote] rudi gets the start again... and again... he is just the better player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 [quote name='CTBengalsFan' post='591484' date='Nov 11 2007, 08:14 PM']Rudi: 93 car, 243 yards, 2.6 ypc, 0 TDs Kenny: 98 car, 436 yards, 4.4 ypc, 4 TDs I'm talking about who is the better back RIGHT NOW, who should be getting the bulk of the carries next week, as they are right now - injuries and all.[/quote] Watson got 130 of those yards against the 31st ranked run Defense in the NFL. He also got 3 of his 4 TDs against that same 31st ranked rush Defense. He averaged 2.7 ypc today against the Ravens. Kenny Watson back to back weeks, 13 carries-35 yards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Tigers Johnson| Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 [quote name='oldschooler' post='591442' date='Nov 11 2007, 08:45 PM']WTF ? Did you read that as you typed it ? Rudi missed 3 entire games. He had 4 carries in another. And 11 carries in another. Of course he isn`t going to have a season as good as Parker has had, he has missed no games, and hasn`t been injured. Plus the few games Rudi started at the beginning of the season, the O-line was playing musical chairs. As far as the stats I posted in the other post, they both played the Ravens the past 2 weeks. And the Ravens shut both running games down. It is a resonable comparison. Plus the Ravens are leading the NFL in run Defense. They allow 73.7 rushing yards per game, and an average of 2.7 ypc. whether you like it or not.[/quote] The only hole in your argument is Rudi started his decline last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 [quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='591526' date='Nov 11 2007, 09:57 PM']The only hole in your argument is Rudi started his decline last year.[/quote] and the o line was 100% solid with no injuries or rookies starting... right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 [quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='591526' date='Nov 11 2007, 08:57 PM']The only hole in your argument is Rudi started his decline last year.[/quote] The Bengals played 9 games against the top tier rushing Defenses last year, and the only O-linemen to play every game, is now a Cleveland Brown. Ravens (2 games) were ranked #2 against the run last season, Stealers (2 games) were ranked #3, Patriots #5, Chargers #7, Falcons #9, Panthers #11 and the Broncos were #12. [url="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&season=2006&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Find"]http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?arc...amp;Submit=Find[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 [quote name='oldschooler' post='591531' date='Nov 11 2007, 10:04 PM']The Bengals played 9 games against the top tier rushing Defenses last year, and the only O-linemen to play every game, is now a Cleveland Brown. Ravens (2 games) were ranked #2 against the run last season, Stealers (2 games) were ranked #3, Patriots #5, Chargers #7, Falcons #9, Panthers #11 and the Broncos were #12. [url="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&season=2006&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Find"]http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?arc...amp;Submit=Find[/url][/quote] rudi suckzz and itz mike brownz faultz!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Tigers Johnson| Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 [quote name='GoBengals' post='591541' date='Nov 11 2007, 10:17 PM']rudi suckzz and itz mike brownz faultz!![/quote] Mike Brown has earned a stay of execution! [quote name='oldschooler' post='591531' date='Nov 11 2007, 10:04 PM']The Bengals played 9 games against the top tier rushing Defenses last year, and the only O-linemen to play every game, is now a Cleveland Brown. Ravens (2 games) were ranked #2 against the run last season, Stealers (2 games) were ranked #3, Patriots #5, Chargers #7, Falcons #9, Panthers #11 and the Broncos were #12. [url="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&season=2006&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Find"]http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?arc...amp;Submit=Find[/url][/quote] How are playing good defenses good excuses...every team and running back has to go up against good defenses. Adrian Peterson is going up against great rushing defenses and producing behind a very mediocre line....and with very little support from a passing game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 [quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='591543' date='Nov 11 2007, 10:21 PM']Mike Brown has earned a stay of execution! How are playing good defenses good excuses...every team and running back has to go up against good defenses.[/quote] and most of them dont have good games. and most teams dont play that many top 12-13 run defenses... it was a big conversation piece last year that we couldnt run block against the good run d we faced.. needed o lnie stability, stunts were hurting inexperienced starters, etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Tigers Johnson| Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 [quote name='GoBengals' post='591545' date='Nov 11 2007, 10:22 PM']and most of them dont have good games. and most teams dont play that many top 12-13 run defenses... it was a big conversation piece last year that we couldnt run block against the good run d we faced.. needed o lnie stability, stunts were hurting inexperienced starters, etc..[/quote] Adrian Peterson is going up against great rushing defenses and producing behind a very mediocre line....and with very little support from a passing game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsOwn Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 [quote name='CTBengalsFan' post='590799' date='Nov 11 2007, 04:36 PM'][b][size=6]74 carries, 193 yards, 0 TDs, 2.6 ypc [/size][/b] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/31.gif[/img] Why do we still hand him the ball?[/quote] 2.6 [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 [quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='591547' date='Nov 11 2007, 10:24 PM']Adrian Peterson is going up against great rushing defenses and producing behind a very mediocre line....and with very little support from a passing game.[/quote] really? his 2 bigest games, 500+ of his yards, came against the 24th and 26th ranked run D's... thats half his yards, in 2 games, against bottom feeder run D's.. and peterson is better than rudi... obviously.. dallas run d is 5th and he had 63 yards.. philly is 11th and he had 70 detroit is 8th and he had 66 every 100 yard game he has had was against bottom 50% run defenses... [url="http://www.nfl.com/players/adrianpeterson/gamelogs?id=PET260705"]http://www.nfl.com/players/adrianpeterson/...gs?id=PET260705[/url] < - his game logs [url="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&defensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&conference=ALL&role=OPP&season=&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=RUSHING_YARDS_PER_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-n=1"]http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tab...mp;d-447263-n=1[/url] thats run D's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsOwn Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 It is amazing to me how fans of the Bengals are calling Rudi a piece of shit, and want him cut tomorrow, and etc. It's amazing how quickly some forget what he did for this team, he allowed us to get rid of a cancer, and provided some of the most exciting football this city has seen in years back in 03. I've never been a fan, but many here have said Rudi Rudi Rudi countless times, and now want BJ to sit up in the 300 section with a sniper rifle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 [quote name='BengalsOwn' post='591551' date='Nov 12 2007, 03:26 AM']2.6 [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img][/quote] And you wonder why you are constantly banned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 [quote name='BengalsOwn' post='591551' date='Nov 11 2007, 10:26 PM']2.6 [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img][/quote] awesome post... [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBZ Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 [quote name='ThurmanMunster' post='591297' date='Nov 11 2007, 06:59 PM']why would we waste money on TJ? his contract has what 2 more years on it? he wont be worth what he will want after his contract runs out. we need to resign andrews and landon.[/quote] I would be surprised if TJ had an inclination to re-sign. He is going to want a payday that we will not give him. Still...You never know if they upped the ante for the last two years of his contract. I agree on Landon and Stacey...They are the only FAs worth keeping, unless they want to throw Watson another bone for 2008 (which I could understand). [quote name='oldschooler' post='591402' date='Nov 11 2007, 08:15 PM']Willie Parker rushed 23 times for 42 yards against the Ravens last week. That`s an average of 1.8 ypc. The Stealers as a team rushed 39 times for 90 yards. And averaged 2.3 ypc against the Ravens last week.[/quote] Very good point...It is just tough to watch a team have so much trouble running the ball. Still...To their credit, they did keep trying in order to keep the Ravens D as honest as possible. [quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='591547' date='Nov 11 2007, 10:24 PM']Adrian Peterson is going up against great rushing defenses and producing behind a very mediocre line....and with very little support from a passing game.[/quote] I think there are about 26+ teams that wish they had that guy right now. Not really a fair comparison. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 [quote name='Storm' post='591556' date='Nov 11 2007, 10:29 PM']And you wonder why you are constantly banned[/quote] he was only banned once i think.. maybe twice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Tigers Johnson| Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 [quote name='GoBengals' post='591554' date='Nov 11 2007, 10:28 PM']really? his 2 bigest games, 500+ of his yards, came against the 24th and 26th ranked run D's... thats half his yards, in 2 games, against bottom feeder run D's.. and peterson is better than rudi... obviously.. dallas run d is 5th and he had 63 yards.. philly is 11th and he had 70 detroit is 8th and he had 66 every 100 yard game he has had was against bottom 50% run defenses... [url="http://www.nfl.com/players/adrianpeterson/gamelogs?id=PET260705"]http://www.nfl.com/players/adrianpeterson/...gs?id=PET260705[/url] < - his game logs [url="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&defensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&conference=ALL&role=OPP&season=&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=RUSHING_YARDS_PER_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-n=1"]http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tab...mp;d-447263-n=1[/url] thats run D's[/quote] He busted the Green Bay Packers 7th ranked run D for 112 on 12 attempts I believe he is averaging 6.6 YPC with zero help from a passing game...against mostly 8 man fronts. Rudi is running against mostly 7 man fronts because teams are playing 2 deep zone so they can double our wideouts. Kenny Watson is running behind the same offensive line with much better results...and honestly I don't think Kenny Watson is the answer either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 [quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='591543' date='Nov 11 2007, 09:21 PM']Mike Brown has earned a stay of execution! How are playing good defenses good excuses...every team and running back has to go up against good defenses.[/quote] Rudi didn`t just face good defenses. He faces some of the top RUSHING defenses. And not every RB loses his starting Center for 14 games, his starting LT for 10 games, his starting RG for 3 games and his starting RT for 1 game. While facing some of the top RUSHING Defenses in the NFL. LT faced the Raiders (2 games) that were ranked 25th against the run, Chiefs (2 games) that were ranked #18, the Titans #30, Seahawks #22, Rams #31 Browns #29, Bills #28 and 49er`s #19, in 2006. That`s 10 games against Rush Defenses ranked 18th or lower. When he played against the Stealers and Ravens last season, he gained 98 yards (Ravens) and 36 yards (Stealers) those were the only top 10 Rushing Defenses he faced in 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 [quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='591571' date='Nov 11 2007, 10:38 PM']He busted the Green Bay Packers 7th ranked run D for 112 on 12 attempts I believe he is averaging 6.6 YPC with zero help from a passing game...against mostly 8 man fronts. Rudi is running against mostly 7 man fronts because teams are playing 2 deep zone so they can double our wideouts. Kenny Watson is running behind the same offensive line with much better results...and honestly I don't think Kenny Watson is the answer either.[/quote] \ ok, aside form green bay, he is playing shit run D's.. 1-2 games is the exception not the rule... he is tourching the torchable. and as many have stated he is obviously better than rudi.. unless there is someone like adrian peterson on the roster that i have been overlooking for years... .....there isnt... i checked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Tigers Johnson| Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 [quote name='GoBengals' post='591597' date='Nov 11 2007, 10:53 PM']\ ok, aside form green bay, he is playing shit run D's.. 1-2 games is the exception not the rule... he is tourching the torchable. and as many have stated he is obviously better than rudi.. unless there is someone like adrian peterson on the roster that i have been overlooking for years... .....there isnt... i checked.[/quote] The point I am getting at is that blaming the offensive line(the same offensive line that Kenny Watson is running behind) and the defenses we face is a crock of crap. If we want to be a top team then we have to beat these teams. Right now, Rudi is not a good enough running back to beat these teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bengal Migration| Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 [quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='591613' date='Nov 12 2007, 04:00 AM']The point I am getting at is that blaming the offensive line([size=5]the same offensive line that Kenny Watson is running behind[/size]) and the defenses we face is a crock of crap. If we want to be a top team then we have to beat these teams. Right now, Rudi is not a good enough running back to beat these teams.[/quote] thank you. rudi r0x0rz!!!111 Go sez so!!111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 [quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='591613' date='Nov 11 2007, 10:00 PM']The point I am getting at is that blaming the offensive line(the same offensive line that Kenny Watson is running behind) and the defenses we face is a crock of crap. If we want to be a top team then we have to beat these teams. Right now, Rudi is not a good enough running back to beat these teams.[/quote] You mean that same Offensive line that Kenny Watson had a 2.7 ypc average behind today ? 2 of our wins has been with Rudi starting. Both of them came against the #1 run Defense in the NFL. Also, Rudi did more than enough to get a win against the Browns. Our Defense lost that one. The other win came with Kenny Watson starting against the 31st ranked run Defense in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTBengalsFan Posted November 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 [quote name='WhoDeyUK' post='591614' date='Nov 11 2007, 11:02 PM']thank you. rudi r0x0rz!!!111 Go sez so!!111[/quote] the mroe sarcaztics yuo aer the moer tr00 it is!!!11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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