CincyInDC Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allianz_Arena"]German soccer stadiums[/url] have it right. "Open dome" design: fans have shelter, players do not. hahaha. Allianz Arena (previous link) gets REALLY loud when they fill it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYbengals Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 [quote name='Bengals1181' timestamp='1296441416' post='966685'] they did, Mike Brown bought them and named the stadium after his dad. [/quote] thanks. i didnt know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 [quote name='CincyInDC' timestamp='1296475781' post='966720'] [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allianz_Arena"]German soccer stadiums[/url] have it right. "Open dome" design: fans have shelter, players do not. hahaha. Allianz Arena (previous link) gets REALLY loud when they fill it. [/quote] Yes this would be pretty damn cool. Only thing that can really save cincy, is soccer becoming extremely popular in the US, and Cincy getting a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkansas Bengal Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 [b][url="http://bleacherreport.com/articles/590496-cincinnati-bengals-mike-brown-how-to-piss-off-a-city-101"]Bleacher Report[/url][/b] [b] [/b] [b]Cincinnati Bengals' Mike Brown: How to Piss Off a City 101[/b] By [url="http://bleacherreport.com/users/113018-eric-ball"]Eric Ball[/url] (Bengals Featured Columnist) on January 30, 2011 [img]http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/images/photos/001/124/290/72061148_crop_340x234.jpg?1296431201[/img] Andy Lyons/Getty Images [b]Disclaimer[/b]: If you are a Bengals fan reading this...prepare to bang your head against the wall. The Bengals have asked the City of Cincinnati for $43.6M over the next decade for repairs and upkeep on the 10-year-old Paul Brown Stadium. Bengals owner Mike Brown isn't even very specific in his proposal to the city. From the Cincinnati Enquirer: [i]The plan, obtained by the Enquirer under a public records request, doesn't specify the improvements, listing them only in broad categories like "groundskeeping," "audio/visual," or "concession."[/i] Mark Rosentraub, a professor of sports management at the University of Michigan, estimates the Bengals only need between $2-4 million each season for maintenance. Earth to Mike Brown: The city is already facing very difficult budget decisions. The last thing they need is to drop $8 million on a new scoreboard (a request in the plan) for a team that gives the city a black eye. Go around the country and ask somebody about the Queen City. Skyline chili, Graters ice cream, the Reds and Nick Lachey may be brought up, but the NFL is the most popular league on the planet and everyone is all too familiar with the embarrassing Bengals. They are a running joke among most NFL fans and they seemingly always find a way to reinforce the stereotype. It's at the point where people associate the city with the Bengals and that is not the image Cincinnati wants. Now they have to pay more money for it? It's the only franchise where a QB can demand a trade and nobody rips him. The general consensus is that [url="http://bleacherreport.com/carson-palmer"]Carson Palmer[/url] is losing his career to Mike Brown. Now the grinch who stole a football franchise is demanding the fans, who shovel gobs of cash at him, need to pony up even more. County commissioner Todd Portune told the Enquirer this gem about the plan: "It offends me and should offend every taxpayer." That's just how it goes in Bengaldom. The P.R. team has to be the worst in the league. The way the franchise is portrayed in the public is brutal. Or maybe there is just no way to conceal the realities of a man who gets paper cuts counting all of the shared league-wide revenue while pinching as many pennies as he possibly can. How are fans supposed to root for that, let alone pay thousands of dollars on season tickets, concessions, parking and apparel? This last quote is from lawyer Stuart Dornette, a guy[i] that works for the Bengals[/i]. He sums it all up nicely. "The Bengals are not a team that goes for the high end for much of anything, it's not as if they're interested in throwing around money." Sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|kennethmw| Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='Arkansas Bengal' timestamp='1296489770' post='966748'] [b][url="http://bleacherreport.com/articles/590496-cincinnati-bengals-mike-brown-how-to-piss-off-a-city-101"]Bleacher Report[/url][/b] [b] [/b] [b]Cincinnati Bengals' Mike Brown: How to Piss Off a City 101[/b] By [url="http://bleacherreport.com/users/113018-eric-ball"]Eric Ball[/url] (Bengals Featured Columnist) on January 30, 2011 [img]http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/images/photos/001/124/290/72061148_crop_340x234.jpg?1296431201[/img] Andy Lyons/Getty Images [b]Disclaimer[/b]: If you are a Bengals fan reading this...prepare to bang your head against the wall. [b]The Bengals have asked the City of Cincinnati for $43.6M over the next decade for repairs and upkeep on the 10-year-old Paul Brown Stadium.[/b] Bengals owner Mike Brown isn't even very specific in his proposal to the city. From the Cincinnati Enquirer: [i]The plan, obtained by the Enquirer under a public records request, doesn't specify the improvements, listing them only in broad categories like "groundskeeping," "audio/visual," or "concession."[/i] [b]Mark Rosentraub, a professor of sports management at the University of Michigan, estimates the Bengals only need between $2-4 million each season for maintenance.[/b] Earth to Mike Brown: The city is already facing very difficult budget decisions. The last thing they need is to drop $8 million on a new scoreboard (a request in the plan) for a team that gives the city a black eye. Go around the country and ask somebody about the Queen City. Skyline chili, Graters ice cream, the Reds and Nick Lachey may be brought up, but the NFL is the most popular league on the planet and everyone is all too familiar with the embarrassing Bengals. They are a running joke among most NFL fans and they seemingly always find a way to reinforce the stereotype. It's at the point where people associate the city with the Bengals and that is not the image Cincinnati wants. Now they have to pay more money for it? It's the only franchise where a QB can demand a trade and nobody rips him. The general consensus is that [url="http://bleacherreport.com/carson-palmer"]Carson Palmer[/url] is losing his career to Mike Brown. Now the grinch who stole a football franchise is demanding the fans, who shovel gobs of cash at him, need to pony up even more. County commissioner Todd Portune told the Enquirer this gem about the plan: "It offends me and should offend every taxpayer." That's just how it goes in Bengaldom. The P.R. team has to be the worst in the league. The way the franchise is portrayed in the public is brutal. Or maybe there is just no way to conceal the realities of a man who gets paper cuts counting all of the shared league-wide revenue while pinching as many pennies as he possibly can. How are fans supposed to root for that, let alone pay thousands of dollars on season tickets, concessions, parking and apparel? This last quote is from lawyer Stuart Dornette, a guy[i] that works for the Bengals[/i]. He sums it all up nicely. "The Bengals are not a team that goes for the high end for much of anything, it's not as if they're interested in throwing around money." Sigh. [/quote] Eric, sorry my friend, but you are a moron. First, you list that the Bengals want 43 million over the next decade for maintenance, and then say that your "Expert" has determined that they would "ONLY" need 2-4 million a season. If, it's 3-4, which I would expect, then that means your "Expert" is saying that it should be between 30 and 40 million over the decade, not that much difference from the 43.6. Secondly, if the taxpayers should be offended, they should be offended by their elected officials. Anybody remember the "Banks Project"? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Banks. Something tells me that if they hadn't fiddlefucked around, and had built this when initially planned, the county would have more revenue, would have more people down in the area, and could possibly be better able to support and find "Mixed Use" opportunities for the stadium area, instead of watching those revenues go across the river to "Newport on the Levy". KY may be full of hilljacks, but it looks like they're smart ones, as opposed to the dumb ass ones on the northern side of the river. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 [size="5"][b]City Council Member: Stop Bengals Welfare Payments[/b][/size] Story Published: 2/02 5:10 pm Get ready to throw a flag, they are piling on the Cincinnati Bengals. Hamilton County says it can't pay the more than 40-million dollars the team says it needs to maintain and improve Paul Brown Stadium over the next ten years. Today, the City of Cincinnati weighed in on the fight, even though it's not on the hook for any money. Joe Webb has the story from Paul Brown Stadium. It takes a lot of money to maintain a stadium. And the Bengals' 10-year-plan calls for a lot of money for maintenance and improvements. The county has made it clear, it doesn't have the money ... even though it owns the stadium and is contractually obliged to maintain and improve it. Today, the county got some unexpected support from City Councilman Wendell Young. He says it's time for the Bengals to pay to play. It's not his money or the city's, but Councilman Wendell Young is clear on his message. "There's no way I believe that the taxpayers of Hamilton County, the taxpayers of Cincinnati should be giving any more welfare to the Bengals." Young is referring to the Paul Brown Stadium ten year capital plan. It calls for 45-million, 43-thousand, 70 dollars in county money from 2012 to 2021. More than 20 percent of it is 9-point-three-million next year for scoreboard improvements. Team sources say it's not a demand ... it's a 10-year plan requested by the county ... and they are only asking for what they are due. "I don't care what the darn contract says, the Bengals know that every community in this county is wrestling with huge deficits, unprecedented deficits. There is no money for this frivolous kind of thing." Most of the money is for wear and tear, and replacing outdated equipment in one of the county's biggest assets. None of the three county commissioners returned phone calls today. No one from the team wanted to talk on camera either, but Attorney Stuart Dornette said the team will work with the county. Fans want to see both sides meet in the middle. George Jernigan, Bengals Fan: "With everything going on, in the environment and the team not performing, well maybe some kind of compromise would be good." Young submitted a resolution to City Council today to formalize support for the county. He says it's time for the Bengals to be a good partner. "There are people in this county who pay taxes who will never see a football game and can't afford to get to the stadium. Big time fans, but when the Bengals don't sell out, these people continue to pay for the stadium and they can't even watch the game on TV." "So one time, on their part, let's do something for the people who keep them in business. Give us a break." Young brought up the resolution to City Council this afternoon. He told council members he got a call from Bob Bedinghaus of the Bengals and plans to sit down and talk about the issue. The resolution was assigned to a committee. The ten-year maintenance plan calls for replacing the field, the irrigation system and practice fields next year. That would cost one-point-seven million dollars. It also calls for 40-thousand dollars a year for beer chillers. http://www.local12.com/news/local/story/City-Council-Member-Stop-Bengals-Welfare-Payments/EY4wPnfPXEaQhP_GHT9yfg.cspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|westside bengal| Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 I would have thought that after 20 years MB would have realized if you put a consistent winner on the field then most of your problems will be solved. Pittsburgh market is not much bigger and I think Indy is smaller than Cincy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 Whatever, County. Then let the fucking buildings--PBS and GABP--fall apart from disrepair. Just like Riverfront. Default on your contractural agreement. Tie up your supposed precious dollars in litigation for that default. Or, just pay your fucking bills. Dipshit politicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Lucid| Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 [quote name='Le Tigre' timestamp='1296744654' post='967907'] Whatever, County. Then let the fucking buildings--PBS and GABP--fall apart from disrepair. Just like Riverfront. Default on your contractural agreement. Tie up your supposed precious dollars in litigation for that default. Or, just pay your fucking bills. Dipshit politicians. [/quote] It is getting really old.. Every time the Bengals have a down year, they drag this tired old horse's corpse out to beat again.. In the hopes of using a vulnerable target to try and drum up political support, and get some quotes in the paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 Hey Mr. Smart City councilman, just because you view PBS as solely a palace that can only be used by the Bengals for 10 games doesn't make it a reality. Anyway, don't like it. Void the lease. That won't happen because they don't want to lose the team they just want to bitch about the costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Lucid| Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 [quote name='scharm' timestamp='1296747335' post='967925'] Hey Mr. Smart City councilman, just because you view PBS as solely a palace that can only be used by the Bengals for 10 games doesn't make it a reality. Anyway, don't like it. Void the lease. That won't happen because they don't want to lose the team [b]they just want to bitch about the costs.[/b] [/quote] Not even... They want to tap into fan anger. They want to appear to be "sticking it to Mike Brown". That and they know in the current climate, anything derogatory they can say regarding the franchise will feature prominently in the media.. Voters simply knowing your name is huge in this type of low level politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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