Forget the Druggie Badger...

[Newprodigy101]

 
I just found it humorous that you knew that it is going to happen again based on your feelings.  That's all.

Again, I wrote "I am very confident it does happen again" not "I know" it will. Being confident is like saying I think there is a better chance that it does then there is that it doesn't. And that is based off of the fact that he has been given 10+ tries and fails those then chances are try number 11 will have the same outcome. And before you respond to this one let me make it easier on you. I'm not stating that try number 11 is a guarantee failure. I'm just using my super powers again and giving an opinion based off the facts.

[Bengals1181]

Everyone is talking about how big of a playmaker he is...are they just referring to his PR skills?

 

I mean he only had 4 INTs in his career. What did he do that was so special?

 

Dont get me wrong, im not saying he isnt a playmaker, just trying to remember what made him so special.

 

 

guys like Mayock and I think Brandt said he'd have been a late 2/early 3 before his suspension.  He can't play outside consistently, and his size is certainly an issue.  Get's bowled over in run D often.  

[Newprodigy101]

 
 
many of the top analysts said they wouldn't have put him that high BEFORE his suspension.

THANKYOU!! Alot of people are acting like he was a lock at a first round pick before getting in trouble but I have heard numerous experts say they never had him higher than a 2nd rounder.

[The PatternMaster]

 

 

many of the top analysts said they wouldn't have put him that high BEFORE his suspension.

 

That's easy to say now, but if he wasn't suspened he was first round pick.

 

Everyone is talking about how big of a playmaker he is...are they just referring to his PR skills?

 

I mean he only had 4 INTs in his career. What did he do that was so special?

 

Dont get me wrong, im not saying he isnt a playmaker, just trying to remember what made him so special.

 

He also had 11 forced fumbles(6 he recoverd and 2 for TD's), 16 TFL for 90 yards, 136 tackles, won the SEC Defensive Player of the Year, was an All American, and won the Chuck Bednerick Award for the best defensive player in the country...so he was pretty special on the field.

[Bengals1181]

 

That's easy to say now, but if he wasn't suspened he was first round pick.

 

 

He also had 11 forced fumbles(6 he recoverd and 2 for TD's), 16 TFL for 90 yards, 136 tackles, won the SEC Defensive Player of the Year, was an All American, and won the Chuck Bednerick Award for the best defensive player in the country...so he was pretty special on the field.

 

 

and Mike Mayock would continue to disagree with you.  

 

 

btw, sure it IS easy to say now.  His on the field tape hasn't changed, and that's what they were judging it on.

[HaydenM]

I would take him the 53rd pick, dude is a pure playmaker, one of the best available. He's going to be a third round pick at the worst.
 
Look at Janoris Jenkins, he was a top 10 pick before he got kicked off the Tide, went 39th overall and ended up being the best rookie defensive player in the NFL with 4 ints(3 returned for TDs and a fumble recovery for a TD), 14 pass deflections, and 73 tackles.
 
The NFL is a grown man league, guys are given enough freedom to want they want as long as they produce on the field. Mathieu never had a problem making plays and at the end of the day that's all NFL teams care about.

Actually, Jenkins kind of sucked. Guy got burned probably more ban anyone in the NFL.

[alleycat]

 

 

and Mike Mayock would continue to disagree with you.  

 

 

btw, sure it IS easy to say now.  His on the field tape hasn't changed, and that's what they were judging it on.

Let's put our money where are mouths are, shall we?  Anyone care to make a Mathieu wager with me?  Let's figure out a way to make it interesting.

[JC]

Again, I wrote "I am very confident it does happen again" not "I know" it will. Being confident is like saying I think there is a better chance that it does then there is that it doesn't. And that is based off of the fact that he has been given 10+ tries and fails those then chances are try number 11 will have the same outcome. And before you respond to this one let me make it easier on you. I'm not stating that try number 11 is a guarantee failure. I'm just using my super powers again and giving an opinion based off the facts.

 

Sorry.  I find your "confidence" that his career will go up in smoke, because of what you have watched on TV, humorous.  Is that better?

 

However you want me to word it, so that it is factually correct, probably won't change my opinion.

[alleycat]

The guy single-handedly took over numerous games when the pressure was on.  Marvin said he's looking for just that: guys who can make the big plays when it counts.  We need more of those types here.

 

(incidentally, we can look at Harrison as another example of this; Marvin has repeatedly brought in Super Bowl champions in FA (G. Wilson, BJGE) bc he wants that quality to rub off here)

[JC]

If he would have had another year this year like his sophomore year, I think he would have been a fringe late 1st, early 2nd round pick.

[Elijah15]

We dont need him at all, if he was a taller corner i wouldnt mind but im fine with pacman.

[|High School Harry|]

We dont need him at all, if he was a taller corner i wouldnt mind but im fine with pacman.

 

Pacman is old enough to be his grandmother.

[happyrid]

The guy single-handedly took over numerous games when the pressure was on.  Marvin said he's looking for just that: guys who can make the big plays when it counts.  We need more of those types here.
 
(incidentally, we can look at Harrison as another example of this; Marvin has repeatedly brought in Super Bowl champions in FA (G. Wilson, BJGE) bc he wants that quality to rub off here)

He definitely had a knack for big plays. I think where the concern comes from is that analysts have said that LSU just kind of let him freelance on D. He could drop back without specific coverage responsibility and try to read the QBs eyes. And they let him come on CB/S blitzes a lot. Really the only comparable NFL scheme I can think of is that Lebeau often lets Polamalu freelance and blitz whenever he wants, try to read the QB's eyes, etc.

LSU was able to allow him to roam because that D was loaded with talent. Claiborne was one CB and the other, Brooks, went in the 2nd or 3rd round of the draft. Reid was the other Safety who had to play a much safer and stricter role without freelancing. They had Mingo, Montgomery, Brockers, Minter and company up front.

So due to how he was used, he is a lot harder to accurately figure out what he will be able to do in the NFL because he is not going to be a roving Safety. He didn't do a lot of man to man coverage, so there is guess work as to how good he will be at it and how he would fare as a CB. In general, you just do not see a lot of guys who played Safety in college who then transition to CB in the pros.

I have seen the Jenkins comparison and the off field issues are somewhat similar. But on field, Jenkins was a true #1 CB and all you had to do was pop on the video of him man to man covering AJ Green and Julio Jones (and doing a hell of a job of it) all game and there was very little question as far as how he would transition.

[happyrid]

Pacman is old enough to be his grandmother.

Jones is only 29 and just signed for 3 years.

I think it is a fair point that the Bengals don't have much of a need at the spot he is projected at, which is the slot CB when we go to nickel.

And I guess that is especially true because when the Bengals go to 3 CBs, it is Leon Hall who slides inside and covers the slot.

Even totally ignoring the off field stuff, if you use a 2nd or 3rd round pick on a guy, you probably want to have a clear opening for him o get a lot of playing time by year 2. Even ignoring Newman, we have Leon, Dre and Adam all locked up for at least the next 3 years.

I could see making an exception for Tyrann as a 3rd rounder though if they think he can be a top notch return specialist in addition to slot CB.

[alleycat]

He definitely had a knack for big plays. I think where the concern comes from is that analysts have said that LSU just kind of let him freelance on D. He could drop back without specific coverage responsibility and try to read the QBs eyes. And they let him come on CB/S blitzes a lot. Really the only comparable NFL scheme I can think of is that Lebeau often lets Polamalu freelance and blitz whenever he wants, try to read the QB's eyes, etc.

LSU was able to allow him to roam because that D was loaded with talent. Claiborne was one CB and the other, Brooks, went in the 2nd or 3rd round of the draft. Reid was the other Safety who had to play a much safer and stricter role without freelancing. They had Mingo, Montgomery, Brockers, Minter and company up front.

So due to how he was used, he is a lot harder to accurately figure out what he will be able to do in the NFL because he is not going to be a roving Safety. He didn't do a lot of man to man coverage, so there is guess work as to how good he will be at it and how he would fare as a CB. In general, you just do not see a lot of guys who played Safety in college who then transition to CB in the pros.

I have seen the Jenkins comparison and the off field issues are somewhat similar. But on field, Jenkins was a true #1 CB and all you had to do was pop on the video of him man to man covering AJ Green and Julio Jones (and doing a hell of a job of it) all game and there was very little question as far as how he would transition.

Well, this is what I always thought of him as: our freelancing Polamalu.  

 

Now maybe I'm crazy to even think this out loud, but given our need for safety, and our reported FOUR visits with TM, it does make you think.  The guy isn't big, but he certainly never shied away from laying the wood.  

 

Wouldn't that be something? Taking Mathieu as a safety?  

 

I know, I know, let the critics rain down.  Seriously, though, it was Polomalu's unpredictability and ability to read and feel the game in his heyday that made him so exceptional.  He was also only 5'10' (albeit a good deal heavier). When I watched him in '11, I wouldn't have guessed he was playing CB if I just flipped to the game because he was literally freelancing everywhere.

 

The annals of NFL lore are filled with guys who didn't fit the physical profile but had the skills and instincts and swagger that put them in the hall of fame.

[JC]

 

 

Wouldn't that be something? Taking Mathieu as a safety?  

 

 

 

 

I think that most certainly could be a possibility.  That is where I initially thought he would go in the NFL, but he is a little on the small size.  Bob Sanders was small as well, though.

 

I think his skillset projects much better to reading and reacting and being able to run sideline to sideline more than sticking one side of the field.

[texbengal]

I think that most certainly could be a possibility.  That is where I initially thought he would go in the NFL, but he is a little on the small size.  Bob Sanders was small as well, though.
 
I think his skillset projects much better to reading and reacting and being able to run sideline to sideline more than sticking one side of the field.

I think he can help as a DB (not as a starter, IMO) but I believe they may have even greater interest in what he can do on STs as a returner, gunner, etc. I don't think he's big enough to contribute as a full-time DB starter, but I think he can be a good nickel or dime cover guy who can also blitz on occasion.

I think back to how much Simmons was enamored with Devin Hester coming out (the knock on him was, he was a guy without a position... some said DB, others WR, but he hadn't shown a lot of production at either at the U)... and I'm thinking he sees similar "big play" potential. I recall seeing a tweet some time ago after one of Mathieu's visits here, where he specifically mentioned that he had a great punt return session. I suspect that Simmons is pounding the table (as Mayock would say) for what he can do for special teams. And it's why I could see them spending a 3rd or 4th for him.

[JC]

I think he can help as a DB (not as a starter, IMO) but I believe they may have even greater interest in what he can do on STs as a returner, gunner, etc. I don't think he's big enough to contribute as a full-time DB starter, but I think he can be a good nickel or dime cover guy who can also blitz on occasion.

I think back to how much Simmons was enamored with Devin Hester coming out (the knock on him was, he was a guy without a position... some said DB, others WR, but he hadn't shown a lot of production at either at the U)... and I'm thinking he sees similar "big play" potential. I recall seeing a tweet some time ago after one of Mathieu's visits here, where he specifically mentioned that he had a great punt return session. I suspect that Simmons is pounding the table (as Mayock would say) for what he can do for special teams. And it's why I could see them spending a 3rd or 4th for him.

 

I don't think he will ever be a LCB going against those big, athletic Z receivers.  I could see him being a RCB going against the X once he gets a little more upper body strength. I think in today's age, bigger, stronger corners are used to try to keep Y guys from running free, so that probably isn't Mathieu. I feel like with their focus on safeties, they could be looking at him for safety.  

 

His ST ability would be good to have.  We took a hit losing Skuta.  We need some more guys with no fear running down the field.  Plus it could keep Dre and Adam from gunning/returning to avoid injuries. 

 

PS. If we somehow got T.Awesome, it would be super fun to put both of those guys back on PR and run fake reverses and such.  Simmons would be a happy cat.

[Bengals1181]

I'm guessing that if this happens, it will come with the Bengals trading down in the first to acquire the pick to do it.

[|SF2|]

Janoris Jenkins. Just saying

[Bengals1181]

Janoris Jenkins. Just saying

 

 

I think all the people who say this forget that Jenkins was a corner who played outside.  Mathieu is a nickel corner.  His value from the get go was never as high as Jenkins', regardless of each of their problems.

 

Jenkins lined up with the likes of AJ and Julio in college and won.  Mathieu never matched up on anyone the caliber of those two.

[|SF2|]

 

 

I think all the people who say this forget that Jenkins was a corner who played outside.  Mathieu is a nickel corner.  His value from the get go was never as high as Jenkins', regardless of each of their problems.

 

Jenkins lined up with the likes of AJ and Julio in college and won.  Mathieu never matched up on anyone the caliber of those two.

I don't disagree, just saying all those who think he will drop back deep into the draft are kidding themselves.  Someone who has a need will take him in the second round or maybe 3rd early.  No dropping back to 4 thru 6.

[Jamie_B]

Druggie Badger is pretty badass. Druggie Badger is in the Guinness Book of World Records as the most

fearless animal in all the animal kingdom. He really doesn't give a shit. Druggie Badger don't care. 

Druggie Badger don't give a shit. Druggie Badger is really pretty badass. He has no regard for any

other animal whatsoever. Druggie Badger don't care. He doesn't give a shit. 

 

 

I would draft him in the middle to late rounds. I don't care. I don't give a shit.

 

 

:lol:

[Jamie_B]

Just like Pacman, ...the Badger most likely won't be able to handle living with all that money that will come his way, ...it's better to pick him up after he falls flat on his NFL face and gets dumped by his first team.

 

 

He isnt going to see the first round and with the new CBA he isnt going to get that kind of money.

 

 

I'd only take him late as a slot guy to back up Pacman. Too short for anything else.

[Jamie_B]

Janoris Jenkins. Just saying

 

 

jenkins had the measureables to play more than just nickle corner

 

this kid could only play against short slot WRs