Bengals1181 Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Quarterback Ball Velocity at NFL Combine 2008-2014 Posted on March 27, 2013 by Dan Shonka Ourlads’ Guide to the NFL Draft is the only source that gives the number for the quarterback’s velocity at the NFL Combine. Velocity is measured by a radar gun in miles per hour. Jimmy Garoppolo - 2014 YEAR: 2014 Logan Thomas, Virginia Tech 60 Stephen Morris, Miami 59 Tom Savage, Pittsburgh 57 Blake Bortles, Central Florida 56 Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois 56 Jeff Mathews, Cornell 56 Keith Wenning, Ball State 56 Jordan Lynch, Northern Illinois 55 Tajh Boyd, Clemson 54 Bryn Renner, North Carolina 54 David Fales, San Jose State 53 AJ McCarron, Alabama 53 Dustin Vaughan, West Texas A&M 53 Connor Shaw, South Carolina 50 Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville – Did not throw Derek Carr, Fresno State – Did not throw Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M – Did not throw Zach Mettenberger, LSU – Did not throw Aaron Murray, Georgia – Did not throw Geno Smith - 2013 YEAR: 2013 Tyler Bray, Tennessee 59 Zac Dysert, Miami (OH) 59 James Vandenberg, Iowa 57 Ryan Nassib, Syracuse 56 Bradley Sorensen, Southern Utah 56 Geno Smith, West Virginia 55 Tyler Wilson, Arkansas 55 EJ Manuel, Florida State 54 Matthew Scott, Arizona 54 Landry Jones, Oklahoma 53 Collin Klein, Kansas State 52 Colby Cameron, Louisiana Tech 51 Marqueis Gray, Minnesota 51 Michael Glennon, North Carolina State 49 Matt Barkley, Southern Cal – Did not throw Sean Renfree, Duke – Did not throw Brandon Weeden - 2012 YEAR: 2012 Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State 59 Kirk Cousins, Michigan State 59 Austin Davis, Southern Mississippi 58 Nick Foles, Arizona 57 Chandler Harnish, Northern Illinois 57 Jordan Jefferson, LSU 57 Russell Wilson, Wisconsin 55 Casey Keenum, Houston 55 Patrick Witt, Yale 54 Darron Thomas, Oregon 53 Ryan Lindley, San Diego State 52 Kellen Moore, Boise State 52 Jacory Harris, Miami 50 Aaron Corp, Richmond 50 BJ Coleman, Tennessee-Chattanooga Did not throw Robert Griffin III, Baylor Did not throw Andrew Luck, Stanford Did not throw Brock Osweiler, Arizona State Did not throw Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M Did not throw Andy Dalton 2011 YEAR: 2011 Colin Kaepernick, Nevada 59 Ryan Mallett, Arkansas 58 Patrick Devlin, Delaware 56 Andy Dalton, TCU 56 Cam Newton, Auburn 56 Scott Tolzien, Wisconsin 55 Nathan Enderle, Idaho 54 Jake Locker, Washington 54 TJ Yates, North Carolina 52 Christian Ponder, Florida St 51 Ricky Stanzi, Iowa 50 Tyrod Taylor, Va Tech 50 Greg McElroy, Alabama Did not throw Blaine Gabbert, Missouri Did not throw John Skelton 2010 YEAR: 2010 Levi Brown, Troy 56 Colt McCoy, Texas 56 (Did not throw at Combine. Throw was recorded at a private workout with a Radar Gun & Computer Chip in Ball. Max Hall, BYU 52 Tim Hiller, Western Michigan 52 Michael Kafka, Northwestern 52 Zac Robinson, Oklahoma St. 52 Jevan Snead, Mississippi 52 Sean Canfield, Oregon St. 51 Jarrett Brown, West Virginia 50 John Skelton, Fordham 50 Dan LeFevour, Central Michigan 49 Tony Pike, Cincinnati 49 Armanti Edwards, Appalachian St. 46.5 Sam Bradford, Oklahoma Did not throw Jimmy Clausen,Notre Dame Did not throw Jonathan Crompton, Tennessee Did not throw Tim Tebow, Florida Did not throw Josh Freeman 2009 YEAR: 2009 John Wilson Parker, Alabama 58 Mike Reilly, Central Washington 58 Drew Willy, Buffalo 58 Mark Sanchez, Southern Cal 57 Josh Freeman, Kansas State 57 Chase Daniels, Missouri 57 Nate Davis, Ball State 56 Curtis Painter, Purdue 56 Rhett Bomar, Sam Houston State 55 Tom Brandstetter, Fresno State 53 Cullen Harper, Clemson 53 Stephen McGee, Texas A & M 53 Graham Harrell, Texas Tech 52 Pat White, West Virginia 52 Matt Stafford, Georgia Did not throw Joe Flacco 2008 YEAR 2008: Paul Smith, Tulsa 57 Joe Flacco, Delaware 55 Kevin O’Connell, San Diego St 55 Brian Brohm, Louisville 53 Chad Henne, Michigan 53 Erik Ainge, Tennessee 52 John David Booty, Southern Cal 51 Matt Flynn, LSU 50 Josh Johnson, San Diego 49 Colt Brennan, Hawaii 44 Dennis Dixon, Oregon Did not throw Matt Ryan, Boston College Did not throw Andre Woodson, Kentucky Did not throw http://blogs.ourlads.com/2013/03/27/quarterback-ball-velocity-at-nfl-combine-2008-2012/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Quarterback Ball Velocity at NFL Combine 2008-2014 Posted on March 27, 2013 by Dan Shonka Ourlads’ Guide to the NFL Draft is the only source that gives the number for the quarterback’s velocity at the NFL Combine. Velocity is measured by a radar gun in miles per hour. Jimmy Garoppolo - 2014 How do they do this measurement? 3 step drop and throw? I would like to see this and a measurement of how hard they can throw SITTING down. We had to do that with a baseball and it is a great indicator of actual arm strength verses technique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Hmm. Dalton has as good an arm as Cam? Who'd a thunk it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted March 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Hmm. Dalton has as good an arm as Cam? Who'd a thunk it. the people who have been referencing these stats for 3 years. :p This site has been tracking the results for awhile, they just finally published an article with 7 years worth of combine data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted March 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 spin surely plays a big part. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h6D4Tq4YK0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khatmandude Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Hmm. Dalton has as good an arm as Cam? Who'd a thunk it. If you (general) think Dalton has as strong an arm as Cam Newton, you're delusional. That's why these stats are not valid. The reaches some people go for in trying to make themselves feel better about Dalton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 If you (general) think Dalton has as strong an arm as Cam Newton, you're delusional. That's why these stats are not valid. The reaches some people go for in trying to make themselves feel better about Dalton. Have you got a better objective way to measure arm strength than velocity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khatmandude Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Have you got a better objective way to measure arm strength than velocity? Depends on how they're performing the test. I assure you it wasn't performed with both feet planted or off their back foot or scrambling to the right or left.....because that's when arm strength becomes an issue. 85% of the time, Dalton's arm strength will suffice.....it's those improv situations like having to throw off his back foot or throw while on the run that it is VERY apparent he's lacking in arm strength. Have you ever watched Cam Newton play? And you've definitely seen Dalton play. Would you say their arm strength is equal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 I don't think that MPH really matters. Guys are not whipping the ball in at 60 MPH every time they throw it. Its more about the spiral. If you look at Brees and his ball, it just really spins off his hand with his spiral. He really drives that thing. Brady throws a really nice ball as well. Its all about putting the ball in the right place and making it catchable by spinning it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted March 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 I don't think that MPH really matters. Guys are not whipping the ball in at 60 MPH every time they throw it. Its more about the spiral. If you look at Brees and his ball, it just really spins off his hand with his spiral. He really drives that thing. Brady throws a really nice ball as well. Its all about putting the ball in the right place and making it catchable by spinning it. agreed that spin is a big factor. If you're talking pure strength, guys like Brees and Dalton wouldn't likely be near the top, but its als about HOW you throw it, not just how hard you throw it. The video above does a nice job of talking about spin and talking about how it impacts the accuracy, and distance of a throw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|westside bengal| Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Andy threw some bullets to the other teams last year. Do those count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Lol @ velocity. If your name is Chapman, velocity matters. But so does location. And delivery. Hence why a great majority on those lists are bums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Lucid| Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 Depends on how they're performing the test. I assure you it wasn't performed with both feet planted or off their back foot or scrambling to the right or left.....because that's when arm strength becomes an issue. 85% of the time, Dalton's arm strength will suffice.....it's those improv situations like having to throw off his back foot or throw while on the run that it is VERY apparent he's lacking in arm strength. Have you ever watched Cam Newton play? And you've definitely seen Dalton play. Would you say their arm strength is equal? Wait a minute.. Don't make me go back and find quotes, but I know for a fact you have argued that Andy can't make all the throws and that the offense was limited because of this, also throw in a smattering of how his poor arm strength limits his deep ball.. And now, when faced with physics that denies those claims, it's all about throwing off his back foot? OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khatmandude Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 Wait a minute.. Don't make me go back and find quotes, but I know for a fact you have argued that Andy can't make all the throws and that the offense was limited because of this, also throw in a smattering of how his poor arm strength limits his deep ball.. And now, when faced with physics that denies those claims, it's all about throwing off his back foot? OK Knock yourself out Encyclopedia Brown. His arm strength DOES limit him. I've said lots of shit....I've also said that arm strength isn't an issue for Dalton unless he's throwing off his back foot, flat footed, rolling out etc... You know....about 85% of the time. It's apparent to an objective observer his arm limits him. Then we see bullshit stats like both Dalton and Newton throw the football 56 MPH so their armstrength is equal? And that's the physics I'm faced with? Get the fuck out of here with your weak shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Lucid| Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 Knock yourself out Encyclopedia Brown. His arm strength DOES limit him. I've said lots of shit....I've also said that arm strength isn't an issue for Dalton unless he's throwing off his back foot, flat footed, rolling out etc... You know....about 85% of the time. It's apparent to an objective observer his arm limits him. Then we see bullshit stats like both Dalton and Newton throw the football 56 MPH so their armstrength is equal? And that's the physics I'm faced with? Get the fuck out of here with your weak shit. LOL Really? Ok. But that offensive line is the best in the league at pass protection, amiright? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khatmandude Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 LOL Really? Ok. But that offensive line os the best in the league at pass protection, amiright? Goodness, here: Andy Dalton's arm strength is NOT an issue 85% of the time. About 15% of the time when a QB does have to throw uncomfortably, without being able to step up in the pocket, into his throw, arm strength IS an issue with Dalton. Is that worded better so that you can understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khatmandude Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 I apologize, English is the 4th, in order, language I learned so my wording isn't the best at times. So sorry you didn't understand what I posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khatmandude Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 Andy threw some bullets to the other teams last year. Do those count? HAHAHA....can't believe I missed this gem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Lucid| Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 I apologize, English is the 4th, in order, language I learned so my wording isn't the best at times. So sorry you didn't understand what I posted. Yes yes yes, we all know that you speak 4 languages, or so you like to remind us every now and again.. Do you never wonder why you feel the need to do that? It seems, small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khatmandude Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 Yes yes yes, we all know that you speak 4 languages, or so you like to remind us every now and again.. Do you never wonder why you feel the need to do that? It seems, small. Wow. Really? I mentioned it and stated very purposefully that it was my 4th language, chronologically, in order to try and excuse my poor sentence structure which confused you into thinking that 85% of the time etc... You mad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 I apologize, English is the 4th, in order, language I learned so my wording isn't the best at times. So sorry you didn't understand what I posted. I used to be fluent in 5 languages but lack of use has diminished my fluency. English French Cajun HTML DOS FORMAT C: (Hmmm, what does that do? SF2 hits enter) Warning, all data will be lost. Proceed? (Mehh, data is overrated) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcat Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 I used to be fluent in 5 languages but lack of use has diminished my fluency. English French Cajun HTML DOS FORMAT C: (Hmmm, what does that do? SF2 hits enter) Warning, all data will be lost. Proceed? (Mehh, data is overrated) When I was in college as a TA in Computer Science, the Liberal Arts college started giving Linguistics credit to Liberal Arts students for the Engineering first semester programming course. You worked your way up to assembler at the end of the course. Before that you were doing it all by hand. It was like throwing the poor kids into a buzzsaw. There were fellows getting 3 of 100 in the midterm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Lucid| Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 Wow. Really? I mentioned it and stated very purposefully that it was my 4th language, chronologically, in order to try and excuse my poor sentence structure which confused you into thinking that 85% of the time etc... You mad? It just seemed snarky. It didn't come off as sincere. Perhaps it's an artifact of failed linguistic nuance, but it had the same air as a lot of your posts lately. Condescending and kind of dickish. I'm not really sure where that comes from, or why, but for the longest time (when you were Ikota) you were probably in my top 5 favorite posters. You sure didn't seem to come off condescending or mocking then. You always struck me as patient, intelligent and polite. Perhaps I misunderstood, I apologize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khatmandude Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 It just seemed snarky. It didn't come off as sincere. Perhaps it's an artifact of failed linguistic nuance, but it had the same air as a lot of your posts lately. Condescending and kind of dickish. I'm not really sure where that comes from, or why, but for the longest time (when you were Ikota) you were probably in my top 5 favorite posters. You sure didn't seem to come off condescending or mocking then. You always struck me as patient, intelligent and polite. Perhaps I misunderstood, I apologize. Ha....no, it's true. I've noticed it in my posting as well.....it seems when I post here it's that way, and been that way for a good while now because I've allowed myself to get caught up, WAY too caught up in this whole Dalton debate which has led me to become intolerant really, for a lack of better word, towards opposing views. And I would imagine condescending and dickish. It's to the point where I feel "dirty" after posting here at times. I know I've taken things a little too far..... I just got too caught up in it at times and allowed myself to "be in character" when I knew it wasn't appropriate. But just for the record, I speak 5 languages :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Lucid| Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 Ha....no, it's true. I've noticed it in my posting as well.....it seems when I post here it's that way, and been that way for a good while now because I've allowed myself to get caught up, WAY too caught up in this whole Dalton debate which has led me to become intolerant really, for a lack of better word, towards opposing views. And I would imagine condescending and dickish. It's to the point where I feel "dirty" after posting here at times. I know I've taken things a little too far..... I just got too caught up in it at times and allowed myself to "be in character" when I knew it wasn't appropriate. But just for the record, I speak 5 languages :lol: :lol: I believe you. I can totally empathize. I have to take a break now and again if I find myself slipping. They say as you practice, so you play. I try not to practice being asshole, which is far too easy on here at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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