New Jersey Bengal Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Joseph has done a great job with our DB's and will make a great Defensive coordinator one day. I hope he stays with us. I think both Kirkpatrick and Dennard will benefit greatly from being coached by him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Alice Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 One of the benefits of having such bad Team D stats is that Vance Joseph may stay under everyone's radar this off season. While we're talking about the secondary, is there anybody else who thinks that Leon Hall is just about done? He was never fast, and the injuries have really taken a toll. He absolutely cannot keep up in man coverage anymore. I hate it because he really has been a great player, but I'm beginning to look at him as a liability. As Darqueze Dennard and Dre Kirkpatrick continue to come on, Hall might well be shuffled out of the mix completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyrid Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 One of the benefits of having such bad Team D stats is that Vance Joseph may stay under everyone's radar this off season. While we're talking about the secondary, is there anybody else who thinks that Leon Hall is just about done?He was never fast, and the injuries have really taken a toll. He absolutely cannot keep up in man coverage anymore. I hate it because he really has been a great player, but I'm beginning to look at him as a liability. As Darqueze Dennard and Dre Kirkpatrick continue to come on, Hall might well be shuffled out of the mix completely. That's just not true though. He ran an electronic 4.39 at the NFL combine... Measurables 40 Yard Dash: 4.39 seconds 20 Yard Dash: 2.52 seconds 10 Yard Dash: 1.45 seconds Bench Press: 15 reps (225 lb) Wonderlic: (N/A) (0-50) Vertical Leap: 37.5 inches Broad Jump: 125 inches 20 Yd Shuttle: 4.07 seconds Three Cone: 6.50 seconds 60 Yd Shuttle: (N/A) seconds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothD Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 One of the benefits of having such bad Team D stats is that Vance Joseph may stay under everyone's radar this off season. While we're talking about the secondary, is there anybody else who thinks that Leon Hall is just about done? He was never fast, and the injuries have really taken a toll. He absolutely cannot keep up in man coverage anymore. I hate it because he really has been a great player, but I'm beginning to look at him as a liability. As Darqueze Dennard and Dre Kirkpatrick continue to come on, Hall might well be shuffled out of the mix completely. So true. He does not have the speed to be a slot corner anymore. Matter of fact, the only time he should see the field is in nickel and dime packages. He might make a decent safety now, but I doubt it. Add to the fact that he left the game with a sore achilles, such doesn't help matters :29: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Alice Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 That's just not true though. He ran an electronic 4.39 at the NFL combine... [font='Segoe UI'] Measurables[/font][font='Segoe UI'] 40 Yard Dash: 4.39 seconds 20 Yard Dash: 2.52 seconds 10 Yard Dash: 1.45 seconds Bench Press: 15 reps (225 lb) Wonderlic: (N/A) (0-50) [/font][font='Segoe UI'] Vertical Leap: 37.5 inches Broad Jump: 125 inches 20 Yd Shuttle: 4.07 seconds Three Cone: 6.50 seconds 60 Yd Shuttle: (N/A) seconds [/font] I stand corrected. I don't remember him running a sub 4.4. He's always played like a 4.5/4.6 type guy. Anyway, if he was once a 4.39 guy, he hasn't lost just a single step then... And the more I thin about, theirs I'm scratching my head. He's NEVER shown that kind of speed. Maybe that's why I've forgotten his combine numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLightWithin Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Joseph has done a great job with our DB's and will make a great Defensive coordinator one day. I hope he stays with us. I think both Kirkpatrick and Dennard will benefit greatly from being coached by him Here! Here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FulcherVulcher33 Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Leon was a great player at one time and he did have that kind of speed coming out of college he was one of my favorite players at one time, but time and injuries have taken their toll on him, one Achilles injury is hard to come back from right,two of them is damn near impossible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnglishBengal Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 You compare Dennard and Hall coming out of college. Dennard is better imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khatmandude Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 While Leon ran a 4.39 at the combine, he doesn't have what you think of when you think of tremendous (4.39) speed, other than straight line speed and it takes him a while to build up to his top speed....I think that makes people forget that Leon ran the great 40 time. Not to mention, that was his knock coming into the combine so I would imagine he practiced and practiced how to reduce the 40 time as much as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 I think we may have expected too much from Leon because he came back so well from his first injury. I'm not throwing in the towel on him until I see how he plays next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khatmandude Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 I think we may have expected too much from Leon because he came back so well from his first injury. I'm not throwing in the towel on him until I see how he plays next year. Completely agree. Everyone's giving Geno a pass because he's coming back from an ACL.....which is devastating for a DT. Leon's coming back from a ruptured achilles...which is just as devastating for a CB. Give him some time.....or allow him the same excuses as Geno's been allowed. Thing is, Halls position is more 'visible' than a DT and when Leon's man beats him for a play, we see Leon covering and curse him....but we don't see Geno (and others) being handled in one on one matchups, failing to get any pressure on the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Alice Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Completely agree. Everyone's giving Geno a pass because he's coming back from an ACL.....which is devastating for a DT. Leon's coming back from a ruptured achilles...which is just as devastating for a CB. Give him some time.....or allow him the same excuses as Geno's been allowed. Thing is, Halls position is more 'visible' than a DT and when Leon's man beats him for a play, we see Leon covering and curse him....but we don't see Geno (and others) being handled in one on one matchups, failing to get any pressure on the QB. That's valid. However, Atkins is 4 years younger. And at DT, if he never regains his speed, he can still be a damn good ball player. At corner, technique and strength only go so far. Don't get me wrong, I'm pulling for the guy. I'm just saying that even if you take Terrence Newman out of the equation, Adam Jones, Darqueze Dennard, and Dre Kirkpatrick mat all be better options than Hall very soon (if not already). Leon Hall's making an awful lot if money to be kept around as a fourth corner. Until that day comes, I'll be hoping that he gets back to his old self. I just feel like, right now, he's struggling. And the silver lining is that Kirkpatrick has finally shown up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khatmandude Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 That's valid. However, Atkins is 4 years younger. And at DT, if he never regains his speed, he can still be a damn good ball player. At corner, technique and strength only go so far. Don't get me wrong, I'm pulling for the guy. I'm just saying that even if you take Terrence Newman out of the equation, Adam Jones, Darqueze Dennard, and Dre Kirkpatrick mat all be better options than Hall very soon (if not already). Leon Hall's making an awful lot if money to be kept around as a fourth corner. Until that day comes, I'll be hoping that he gets back to his old self. I just feel like, right now, he's struggling. And the silver lining is that Kirkpatrick has finally shown up... Just one year ago, Leon Hall shut down Randle Cobb and many other slot receivers and was playing at an All Pro level....just 1 yr ago. I'm in the same boat...I'm concerned with his play, no doubt...but I too am pulling for the guy to return to the Leon Hall we're accustom to seeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 They wont promote one of the young guys to Leon's spot this year, not the way Marvin works, and Leon will get every chance to prove in the offseason they shouldnt promote anyone ahead of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThurmanMunster Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 You compare Dennard and Hall coming out of college. Dennard is better imo. Athletically yes. But Leon Hall has great instincts and an absolutely fantastic mental game. Dennard is an unknown for instincts and mental game right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThurmanMunster Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 They wont promote one of the young guys to Leon's spot this year, not the way Marvin works, and Leon will get every chance to prove in the offseason they shouldnt promote anyone ahead of him. Normally I'd agree but a few people were saying there were inklings that Leon's "sore achilles" was a bit of a stretch of the truth by the coaches. I'd love to know if any of the posters here that hear things from insiders heard anything like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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