Jason Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 500 years ago today Martin Luther nailed his 95 theses (dealing with indulgences) to the door of the castle church in Wittenberg. Because the printing press had been recently invented his theses spread like wildfire and a reformation was sparked returning the true Gospel of Jesus Christ to man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 The catholic church probably is not celebrating.... You can probably thank his students for translating to the common vernacular though. Ol' luthar was totally cool with staying with the church, just a few disagreements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 Didn't this take place well after the several Council of Dicks where the Vatican heavily edited the Bible, rewriting or removing anything they didn't like? From what I've read, between that & the translation through several not necessarily compatible languages, what we have now may be entirely unlike the "original" - in itself an anthology of stories written by different people over centuries. I'm fascinated by how such a garbled and often self-contradictory book is touted as the singular guide to life for so many people, most of whom have never read more than a fraction of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Elflocko| Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 There is no Luther without this guy. Jan Hus is considered the first Reformationist and greatly influenced Luther and others. Ran afoul of the church in 1415 and burnt at the stake for his efforts. He also standardized the Czech alphabet. I also find it deliciously ironic that the Czech Republic is now (widely considered) the most atheistic country on earth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted November 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 8 hours ago, Ben said: The catholic church probably is not celebrating.... You can probably thank his students for translating to the common vernacular though. Ol' luthar was totally cool with staying with the church, just a few disagreements. At first, yes, Luther just wanted to "fix" the Catholic church. But they were unwilling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted November 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 6 hours ago, T-Dub said: Didn't this take place well after the several Council of Dicks where the Vatican heavily edited the Bible, rewriting or removing anything they didn't like? From what I've read, between that & the translation through several not necessarily compatible languages, what we have now may be entirely unlike the "original" - in itself an anthology of stories written by different people over centuries. I'm fascinated by how such a garbled and often self-contradictory book is touted as the singular guide to life for so many people, most of whom have never read more than a fraction of it. No, the Catholic church did not edit the bible. They had a bible in Latin that hardly anyone could read anyway. And the bible we have today was not translated several times. Every modern translation is a direct translation from the original Greek and Hebrew texts. Yes, written by several different human authors over many centuries, but no contradictions. How many times have you read it? It is neither garbled, nor self-contradictory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Elflocko| Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 2 hours ago, Jason said: No, the Catholic church did not edit the bible. They had a bible in Latin that hardly anyone could read anyway. And the bible we have today was not translated several times. Every modern translation is a direct translation from the original Greek and Hebrew texts. Yes, written by several different human authors over many centuries, but no contradictions. How many times have you read it? It is neither garbled, nor self-contradictory. 1 1. 2. Multiple times, which was a contributing factor in my becoming atheist. 3. **Edit** Never mind. My days of arguing with the religiously indoctrinated are over... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted November 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Elflocko said: 1. 2. Multiple times, which was a contributing factor in my becoming atheist. 3. **Edit** Never mind. My days of arguing with the religiously indoctrinated are over... Not religiously indoctrinated but regenerated. I'll pray for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer_Rice Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 I'll pray for you, too, ElFlocko. Spoiler The Serenity prayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Elflocko| Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 58 minutes ago, Homer_Rice said: I'll pray for you, too, ElFlocko. Hide contents The Serenity prayer. Well played... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredtoast Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 6 hours ago, Jason said: How many times have you read it? It is neither garbled, nor self-contradictory. You only have to read the first two chapters to find a contradiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 13 hours ago, Jason said: No, the Catholic church did not edit the bible. They had a bible in Latin that hardly anyone could read anyway. And the bible we have today was not translated several times. Every modern translation is a direct translation from the original Greek and Hebrew texts. Yes, written by several different human authors over many centuries, but no contradictions. How many times have you read it? It is neither garbled, nor self-contradictory. I was thinking of the Council of Trent specifically, but I read that it was actually a response to Luther & the reformation. Apparently he included the Old Testament apocrypha & the Catholics did not. Inclusion of the various apocrypha from both the Old & New Testament seems to vary quite a bit from church to church. I don't know what you call that but editing. I would guess "The Infancy Gospel of Thomas" is the best known of these, but still obscure. I'm reading that one particular story, of child Jesus breathing life into clay birds, also appears in the Quran. That's an interesting coincidence for something that's not in most Bibles. As for the language, was any of it written in Greek? I think that was a translation, and though I don't know the language I've also read that the ancient Hebrew & Aramaic that it was written in, when translated to Ancient Greek & then other languages (ending much later in English, obviously) loses quite a bit of meaning. The most notable mistake in translation that I've read about suggests that pronouns weren't handled the same way, so for example the first-person singular gets confused with the first-person plural. "I am" becomes "We are" - I would say this is important, since it's always the disciples claiming he is the Son of God rather than Christ himself, and they couldn't even play nice among each other... not to mention what the relation was between Jesus and John the Baptist (another point of contention that varies from one Bible to the next). Anyway, all that aside it doesn't take much digging to learn that there are a lot of different versions of the Bible. Maybe one of them even explains WTF is going on with Ezekiel between the UFO freak-out and the donkey dicks in 23:20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 On 10/31/2017 at 6:56 AM, Jason said: 500 years ago today Martin Luther nailed his 95 theses (dealing with indulgences) to the door of the castle church in Wittenberg. Because the printing press had been recently invented his theses spread like wildfire and a reformation was sparked returning the true Gospel of Jesus Christ to man. Dilly! Dilly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 I spent last Sunday afternoon watching this instead of the Bengals at my local movie theater. Martin Luther was an incredible man. He wrote the beautiful song, A Mighty Fortress is Our God! 1 A mighty fortress is our God, a bulwark never failing; our helper he, amid the flood of mortal ills prevailing. For still our ancient foe does seek to work us woe; his craft and power are great, and armed with cruel hate, on earth is not his equal. 2 Did we in our own strength confide, our striving would be losing, were not the right Man on our side, the Man of God's own choosing. You ask who that may be? Christ Jesus, it is he; Lord Sabaoth his name, from age to age the same; and he must win the battle. 3 And though this world, with devils filled, should threaten to undo us, we will not fear, for God has willed his truth to triumph through us. The prince of darkness grim, we tremble not for him; his rage we can endure, for lo! his doom is sure; one little word shall fell him. 4 That Word above all earthly powers no thanks to them abideth; the Spirit and the gifts are ours through him who with us sideth. Let goods and kindred go, this mortal life also; the body they may kill: God's truth abideth still; his kingdom is forever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyInDC Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Because it was the 500th anniversary of the Reformation, all of Germany had a holiday of it. Normally, the non-Catholic parts get Reformation Day off (31st of October), and the Catholic bits get All Saints Day off (November 1st). I spent these days snorkeling, being warm, and visiting Buddhist Temples in Thailand. Thanks, Professor Luther! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 5 hours ago, CincyInDC said: Because it was the 500th anniversary of the Reformation, all of Germany had a holiday of it. Normally, the non-Catholic parts get Reformation Day off (31st of October), and the Catholic bits get All Saints Day off (November 1st). I spent these days snorkeling, being warm, and visiting Buddhist Temples in Thailand. Thanks, Professor Luther! Heretic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyInDC Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 well, over there I wasn't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted December 2, 2017 Report Share Posted December 2, 2017 Recent discovery re: the Bible not being one standard, universal thing https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/11/171130133824.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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