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[CincyInDC]

There are far more effective ways to reduce the number of abortions in the US than outright banning it.  But the shitstains banning it aren't actually interested in reducing the number of abortions.  They just want more rabid fanatics. 

[|kennethmw|]

2 hours ago, CincyInDC said:

There are far more effective ways to reduce the number of abortions in the US than outright banning it.  But the shitstains banning it aren't actually interested in reducing the number of abortions.  They just want more rabid fanatics. 

Truth.

[Jamie_B]

3 hours ago, CincyInDC said:

There are far more effective ways to reduce the number of abortions in the US than outright banning it.  But the shitstains banning it aren't actually interested in reducing the number of abortions.  They just want more rabid fanatics. 

 

Crazy how doing things like helping poor and working class folks..... the things Jesus told us to do...... reduces abortion yet in counties that have banned it those numbers have not gone down.

 

It's almost like if Christians did the things Jesus said and helped the poor, while realizing he said nothing about this, abortion numbers might be really small.

[T-Dub]

OK but consider this: who gives a shit what the Bible says about abortion. That's not a basis for law.

[Jamie_B]

1 hour ago, T-Dub said:

OK but consider this: who gives a shit what the Bible says about abortion. That's not a basis for law.

 

 

Well duh, I wasn't suggesting it is

[T-Dub]

1 minute ago, Jamie_B said:

 

 

Well duh, I wasn't suggesting it is

 

I understand but there's been a TON of discussion about whether or not the Bible prohibits abortion and not nearly enough on why it doesn't fucking matter.  

[fluhartz]

17 hours ago, T-Dub said:

OK but consider this: who gives a shit what the Bible says about anything. That's not a basis for law.

 

fixt

[T-Dub]

8 hours ago, fluhartz said:

 

fixt

 

Agreed, and all the debate is just meant to legitimize replacing our Constitution with bible verse.

[Jamie_B]

The point I was making was if Christians acted like Christians none of this abortion debate would be a debate because the numbers would be incredibly low.

[T-Dub]

22 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

The point I was making was if Christians acted like Christians none of this abortion debate would be a debate because the numbers would be incredibly low.

 

But increasingly this is exactly how Christians act.  At some point it crosses into "no true Scotsman" territory.  

[Jamie_B]

4 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

 

But increasingly this is exactly how Christians act.  At some point it crosses into "no true Scotsman" territory.  

 

 

Which is kind of sad isn't it

[T-Dub]

1 minute ago, Jamie_B said:

 

 

Which is kind of sad isn't it

 

It is, not really a believer but I do appreciate the Christian charities are too often the only option.  For example I've got no great admiration for the Catholic church but they're really the only ones around here trying to help immigrant communities.

[T-Dub]

“The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.”

― Methodist Pastor David Barnhart

[CincyInDC]

 

[Cat]

For me, this was very moving.

 

https://twitter.com/TheYoungTurks/status/1540382064142233600?s=20&t=g__v7JLCAgMOVBd4uJtHVg

[T-Dub]

13 hours ago, CincyInDC said:

 

 

 

You'd think a Warrior for Christ could complete a 10 yard out route but who knows, never took ol' JC as much of a sports fan TBH.

 

Cute how they try to use WOKE as an insult though.  OK, Boomer.  We can stop at Bob Evans for you on the way back to the Super Bowl.

[CincyInDC]

Bob Evans? What, did Bill Napp's go under?

[Jamie_B]

On 6/29/2022 at 7:35 PM, T-Dub said:

“The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.”

― Methodist Pastor David Barnhart

 

 

1000 xs this. 

[fluhartz]

On 6/29/2022 at 7:35 PM, T-Dub said:

“The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.”

― Methodist Pastor David Barnhart

 

damn.. that quote is the real deal, dude freaking nailed it. So accurate

[T-Dub]

4 hours ago, fluhartz said:

 

damn.. that quote is the real deal, dude freaking nailed it. So accurate

 

Yeah that's heavy stuff coming from a clergyman.

[Shebengal]

And now this.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/07/02/10-year-old-ohio-indiana-abortion-roe/7795409001/

 

10 year old was raped by her stepfather. And Kristi Noem, governor of SD, called an abortion in this case “another tragedy.”

 

https://www.newsweek.com/kristi-noem-challenged-question-ohio-child-rape-victims-abortion-1721295?amp=1

 

The state representative in Ohio who is proposing the complete ban, and who called a 13 year old girl getting pregnant an “opportunity “ to make a difference on another life, should be the one to raise it if she’s that concerned 😧. But of course she won’t, and she’ll vote against allowing any additional funding for Medicaid, expansion of SNAP, etc.

 

It also struck me that all the pro choice spokespersons are female, while the chief spokesperson against abortion, the president of Ohio Right to Life, is male.

[T-Dub]

On 7/4/2022 at 8:59 AM, Shebengal said:

And now this.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/07/02/10-year-old-ohio-indiana-abortion-roe/7795409001/

 

10 year old was raped by her stepfather. And Kristi Noem, governor of SD, called an abortion in this case “another tragedy.”

 

https://www.newsweek.com/kristi-noem-challenged-question-ohio-child-rape-victims-abortion-1721295?amp=1

 

The state representative in Ohio who is proposing the complete ban, and who called a 13 year old girl getting pregnant an “opportunity “ to make a difference on another life, should be the one to raise it if she’s that concerned 😧. But of course she won’t, and she’ll vote against allowing any additional funding for Medicaid, expansion of SNAP, etc.

 

It also struck me that all the pro choice spokespersons are female, while the chief spokesperson against abortion, the president of Ohio Right to Life, is male.

 

If it was their daughter they'd be headed straight to the clinic, cash in hand.  Fuck these regressive hypocrites.