Palestine and Israel

[claptonrocks]

24 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

 

This war has been going on since the dawn of time, they are not going to stop because Trump wants them to. In fact do not be surprised if it picks up again after the hostage exchange and Trump doesn't change policy or put any pressure on Netanyahu. In fact don't be surprised if it gets worse. And this is not me hating on Trump, this is by is own words and appointments. He told Bibi to finish the job, he has appointed Hegseth for DOD Sec who is strongly in favor of what Isreal is doing (in fact he was an Iraq war apologist). He has made Huckabee the Ambassador to Isreal, Huckabee doesn't recognize the West Bank by his own words. (Which from what I have been reading the plan is to completely take the West Bank after the exchange)

 

"There are certain words I refuse to use. There is no such thing as a West Bank. It's Judea and Samaria. There's no such thing as a settlement. They're communities. They're neighborhoods. They're cities. There's no such thing as an occupation. The only occupiers were the Babylonians, the Assyrians, the Turks, the Brits, the Romans. They were occupiers. The Jews are the occupants." - Mike Huckabee, Trump's nominated ambassador to Israel.

 

 

This is going to go as well for the Palestinians as it did for the Kurds.

 

Trump will abandon them. He will support what is genocide.
 

Thats a harsh outlook.

 

I hope your wrong 

[Jamie_B]

2 minutes ago, claptonrocks said:

Thats a harsh outlook.

 

I hope your wrong 

 

I would be shocked if I was.

[T-Dub]

Yeah ok, the guy who's threatening Canada and Greenland for no particular good reason is going to also bring us peace in Jerusalem. Because, what - he said so?

 

There's optimism and then there's whatever that is...

[claptonrocks]

Israel a crots terms to exchange hostages

and a ceasefire  .

IF not for Trump telly Bibi to get it done now

I don't see Israeli cabinet accepting those terms

The envoy sent by Trump sat in the house meetings.

to ensure it was....

[T-Dub]

2 hours ago, claptonrocks said:

Israel a crots terms to exchange hostages

and a ceasefire  .

IF not for Trump telly Bibi to get it done now

I don't see Israeli cabinet accepting those terms

The envoy sent by Trump sat in the house meetings.

to ensure it was....

 

 

This all looks very nice but the question is if we're going to keep giving them bombs, or money for bombs (that they buy from us - yay corporate socialism!)  They'd agree to anything on paper so long as the floodgates remain open.  They'll continue to do what they've always done but most people will go back to ignoring the region and act like we won something.

 

Credit where it's due though, all Biden did is wring his hands.  Just hope people are paying attention to the rhetoric coming from Dominionist shitheels like Hegseth.  This incoming administration has no compassion for the Palestinian people, or anyone else for that matter.  Compassion=weakness to the fascist.  Fear and compassion can't coexist and they're dependent on the fear.

[claptonrocks]

On 1/19/2025 at 6:53 PM, T-Dub said:

 

 

This all looks very nice but the question is if we're going to keep giving them bombs, or money for bombs (that they buy from us - yay corporate socialism!)  They'd agree to anything on paper so long as the floodgates remain open.  They'll continue to do what they've always done but most people will go back to ignoring the region and act like we won something.

 

Credit where it's due though, all Biden did is wring his hands.  Just hope people are paying attention to the rhetoric coming from Dominionist shitheels like Hegseth.  This incoming administration has no compassion for the Palestinian people, or anyone else for that matter.  Compassion=weakness to the fascist.  Fear and compassion can't coexist and they're dependent on the fear.

Compassion for the liberal agendas..hell no

Palestinians are hostages to the Hamas unless they're brainwashed into believing these monsters are 

have any compassion for them 

President Trump made the truce happen.

We all see how these monsters in Gaza abide by it 

 

[T-Dub]

1 hour ago, claptonrocks said:

Compassion for the liberal agendas..hell no

Palestinians are hostages to the Hamas unless they're brainwashed into believing these monsters are 

have any compassion for them 

President Trump made the truce happen.

We all see how these monsters in Gaza abide by it 

 

 

Totally clueless. The "monsters" are just bombing the West Bank now, having already flattened most of Gaza. They're occupying more land in the Golan Heights, taking advantage of the power vacuum in Syria.

 

It's telling that you recoil at the idea of a dozen hostages but easily overlook 10s of thousands of dead Palestinian women and children. 

 

There is no truce. There's a very limited and temporary ceasefire in Gaza. The fact you don't know the difference is completely on-brand for someone with their head up Trump's ass. 

[T-Dub]

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-lift-pause-2000-pound-bomb-supply-israel-walla-news-reports-2025-01-20/

[claptonrocks]

21 hours ago, T-Dub said:

 

Totally clueless. The "monsters" are just bombing the West Bank now, having already flattened most of Gaza. They're occupying more land in the Golan Heights, taking advantage of the power vacuum in Syria.

 

It's telling that you recoil at the idea of a dozen hostages but easily overlook 10s of thousands of dead Palestinian women and children. 

 

There is no truce. There's a very limited and temporary ceasefire in Gaza. The fact you don't know the difference is completely on-brand for someone with their head up Trump's ass. 

Why do you defend Hamas so?

What type of sadistic heathers build bunkers and headquarters underneath 

schools, churches and below the people homes

 

Ruthless cowardly ones .

 

[T-Dub]

1 hour ago, claptonrocks said:

Why do you defend Hamas so?

What type of sadistic heathers build bunkers and headquarters underneath 

schools, churches and below the people homes

 

Ruthless cowardly ones .

 

 

Any excuse to bomb a school, church, or home.  Have you seen these bunkers? Are the bunkers in the room with you right now?  Fuckin' kook.

 

If a mass shooter was in a school would you recommend bombing that too? Or do you think maybe some care should be taken because it's a school.

 

Try using your head for something other than a MAGA hat rack.

 

and don't call people cowards when you're so clearly scared of fucking life and everything around you.  Speaking of bunkers...

[claptonrocks]

19 hours ago, T-Dub said:

 

Any excuse to bomb a school, church, or home.  Have you seen these bunkers? Are the bunkers in the room with you right now?  Fuckin' kook.

 

If a mass shooter was in a school would you recommend bombing that too? Or do you think maybe some care should be taken because it's a school.

 

Try using your head for something other than a MAGA hat rack.

 

and don't call people cowards when you're so clearly scared of fucking life and everything around you.  Speaking of bunkers...

The fact is 

Your u don't care about either side.

Your blather is just that..aside from black issues you have no alligence 

to anything .

[T-Dub]

4 hours ago, claptonrocks said:

The fact is 

Your u don't care about either side.

Your blather is just that..aside from black issues you have no alligence 

to anything .

 

Yeah yeah.. more projection. You just like seeing non-whites getting massacred. Your only allegiance is to a petty spray-tanned con artist.  Your every view of the world is determined by him.  For a grown man it's pathetic. Imagine being so weak and scared you think that guy is strong.

[T-Dub]

Bombing the shit out of the Jenin camp the last couple of days, in case anyone was wondering how the "truce" was going

[Jamie_B]

2-year-old Palestinian girl killed in her home by Israeli military

[Jamie_B]

Trump won’t rule out deploying US troops to support rebuilding Gaza, sees ‘long-term’ US ownership

 

US ownership?!?!

 

 

[Paul]

23 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

Trump won’t rule out deploying US troops to support rebuilding Gaza, sees ‘long-term’ US ownership

 

US ownership?!?!

 

 

I saw the press conference too I was wondering that myself.. Will be very interested to see how this plays out. Maybe a way to get Isreal and Saudi Arabia to normalize relationship and get the gulf arab countries to help fund and rebuild Gaza strip. I have no idea myself 

[Jamie_B]

2 minutes ago, Paul said:

I saw the press conference too I was wondering that myself.. Will be very interested to see how this plays out. Maybe a way to get Isreal and Saudi Arabia to normalize relationship and get the gulf arab countries to help fund and rebuild Gaza strip. I have no idea myself 

 

If this was anyone other than Trump I might not completely hate the idea, because Isreal is guilty of some serious war crimes that are absolutely disgusting, and a different military force that isn't going to do stuff like that might be a good idea, but because this is Trump I fully expect him to put up a Trump hotel in Gaza.

 

He's literally telling the Gazans to leave their homes and homeland.

[T-Dub]

3 hours ago, Jamie_B said:

Trump won’t rule out deploying US troops to support rebuilding Gaza, sees ‘long-term’ US ownership

 

US ownership?!?!

 

 

 

I'm sure Israel would love for us to send out troops to go eat the next generation of suicide bombers for them.  Trying to mediate a millenia-old religious feud by force is a perfect idea, very smart, many are saying it.

[Shebengal]

12 hours ago, Jamie_B said:

 

If this was anyone other than Trump I might not completely hate the idea, because Isreal is guilty of some serious war crimes that are absolutely disgusting, and a different military force that isn't going to do stuff like that might be a good idea, but because this is Trump I fully expect him to put up a Trump hotel in Gaza.

 

He's literally telling the Gazans to leave their homes and homeland.

Now, I don't really follow this whole topic so I don't know a lot about it. I want to make sure I have this straight. So, Israel and Palestine have been fighting over this strip of land for what, 75 years??? And all of a sudden, the US is going to go in, take control of this land, and turn it into a playground for the rich? And, I'm sure that the orange troll isn't going to make one red cent off of this? 

 

Yeah, I don't see this happening without a fight. I also don't see other countries over there standing for it, 

 

The US has become the world's bully instead of the world's policeman.

[Jamie_B]

47 minutes ago, Shebengal said:

Now, I don't really follow this whole topic so I don't know a lot about it. I want to make sure I have this straight. So, Israel and Palestine have been fighting over this strip of land for what, 75 years??? And all of a sudden, the US is going to go in, take control of this land, and turn it into a playground for the rich? And, I'm sure that the orange troll isn't going to make one red cent off of this? 

 

Yeah, I don't see this happening without a fight. I also don't see other countries over there standing for it, 

 

The US has become the world's bully instead of the world's policeman.

 

 

I suspect the rest of the world will have something to say, I'm just not sure it will matter all that much, they say alot at the UN about it and the US just ignores or blocks most of them from saying anything.

[T-Dub]

12 hours ago, Shebengal said:

Now, I don't really follow this whole topic so I don't know a lot about it. I want to make sure I have this straight. So, Israel and Palestine have been fighting over this strip of land for what, 75 years??? And all of a sudden, the US is going to go in, take control of this land, and turn it into a playground for the rich? And, I'm sure that the orange troll isn't going to make one red cent off of this? 

 

Yeah, I don't see this happening without a fight. I also don't see other countries over there standing for it, 

 

The US has become the world's bully instead of the world's policeman.

 

 

The main Abrahamic religions - Judaism, Christianity, Islam - have been fighting outsiders (Babylonians, Romans) as well as each other for control of Jerusalem for thousands of years.  The people who later formed the state of Israel forced out the British occupation after WW2 with acts of terrorism.

 

Any US military occupation would themselves be a prime target for as long as we remain there.  If they're looking for an excuse to get more directly involved in the Palestinian genocide then dangling some kind of "peacekeeping" force on the ground would quickly provide one.

[Homer_Rice]

The US empire is the single most murderous and corrupt power structure on this planet, by an extremely massive margin. Everyone at the upper echelon of empire management is the sort of person who is willing to facilitate the incomprehensible atrocities and abuses that are necessary for the continuation of that empire. Thinking you need to choose a favorite empire manager is like thinking you need to choose a favorite Nazi.

 

You Don’t Actually Need To Pick A Team

 

...on the other hand...

 

BREAKING: ICC Asked to Investigate Biden and Blinken Over War Crimes Allegations

[T-Dub]

10 hours ago, Homer_Rice said:

The US empire is the single most murderous and corrupt power structure on this planet, by an extremely massive margin. Everyone at the upper echelon of empire management is the sort of person who is willing to facilitate the incomprehensible atrocities and abuses that are necessary for the continuation of that empire. Thinking you need to choose a favorite empire manager is like thinking you need to choose a favorite Nazi.

 

You Don’t Actually Need To Pick A Team

 

...on the other hand...

 

BREAKING: ICC Asked to Investigate Biden and Blinken Over War Crimes Allegations

 

 

What can the ICC do to them, realistically? Let's assume the accused don't much give a shit about being labeled as such.

 

You guys see that "Trumpland: Gaza" AI vacation video with Elon eating hummus? Wouldn't you love to know who actually put that mess together for them?

[Jamie_B]

51 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

 

 

What can the ICC do to them, realistically? Let's assume the accused don't much give a shit about being labeled as such.

 

You guys see that "Trumpland: Gaza" AI vacation video with Elon eating hummus? Wouldn't you love to know who actually put that mess together for them?

 

I saw that. Not super surprised by it. He's a piece of shit.

[T-Dub]

8 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

 

I saw that. Not super surprised by it. He's a piece of shit.

 

No, that's certainly no news..  But wasn't that shit extremely, fundamentally weird as fuck? All the golden statues? 

 

Struck me as some really slick troll farm propaganda deliberately trying to look meme-tier and failing.  Like, I'm not sure exactly what it's trying to be other than grossly inflammatory, but promoting a vision for Gaza was very much an afterthought to the sort of programming that was going on there.  What's Elon got to do with Gaza, you know?

 

Maybe it's as simple as a ruling class at death's door that want to take us all with them in a blaze of.. well, not glory, certainly.  More like one of those methane explosions in a sewer line.  A last "fuck you" to a future they won't live to see.