claptonrocks Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 minute ago, PatternMaster said: This war has been going on for decades, and who started it is up for debate, how Israel is handling their response is in direct conflict with international law and is a war crime...I guess 2 wrongs make it right. Hamas are cowardly POS, no question about it..but killing innocent civilians because you can doesn't make it better. If Israel were to go into Palestine and capture those loyal to Hamas it would be better than carpet bombing the whole damn country. We disagree . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 On 10/27/2023 at 2:06 PM, PatternMaster said: What about the Americans trapped in Gaza, when is Biden going to stand up for them...600 Americans are there right now and I don't see any press conferences for American Palenstinians.. Biden is your president. I knew he was a POS from the start. And the giggling dumbass his VP does sealed it. Liberals are delusional . 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted October 31, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/30/2023 at 12:54 PM, claptonrocks said: It was more than 24 hrs The Hamas wants shields. They build their headqtrd under hospitals . Savage animals who attacked and lkilled Israeles to start this war. I suppose you believe George Soros is a great guy too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go Skins Posted November 1, 2023 Report Share Posted November 1, 2023 https://khqa.com/news/nation-world/george-mason-university-investigating-after-posters-of-hamas-hostages-torn-down-on-campus-fairfax-virginia-college-israel-gaza-palestine-middle-east-conflict-terrorism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted November 1, 2023 Report Share Posted November 1, 2023 6 hours ago, Go Skins said: https://khqa.com/news/nation-world/george-mason-university-investigating-after-posters-of-hamas-hostages-torn-down-on-campus-fairfax-virginia-college-israel-gaza-palestine-middle-east-conflict-terrorism Many of these pro Palistinians protests are paid by George Soros to do so. Add to the fact that most colleges have donors ( corporate world) that favor liberal teachings ( many overboard). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted November 1, 2023 Report Share Posted November 1, 2023 23 hours ago, PatternMaster said: She sounds flaky as hell. Just another liberal opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted November 1, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2023 20 minutes ago, claptonrocks said: Many of these pro Palistinians protests are paid by George Soros to do so. Add to the fact that most colleges have donors ( corporate world) that favor liberal teachings ( many overboard). What proof do you have that George "The Boogeyman" Soros is paying for these protest and more importantly why would he do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted November 1, 2023 Report Share Posted November 1, 2023 23 minutes ago, PatternMaster said: What proof do you have that George "The Boogeyman" Soros is paying for these protest and more importantly why would he do that? You also said there was no official reports that Iran was involved with Hamas attacking Israeli. You seem to look for what YOU believe and turn a bllnd eye to anything differently . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted November 2, 2023 Report Share Posted November 2, 2023 5 hours ago, claptonrocks said: Many of these pro Palistinians protests are paid by George Soros to do so. Oh lord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted November 2, 2023 Report Share Posted November 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Jamie_B said: Oh lord. Believe what you want.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted November 2, 2023 Report Share Posted November 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, claptonrocks said: Believe what you want.. Seems to me that's exactly what you are doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted November 2, 2023 Report Share Posted November 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: Seems to me that's exactly what you are doing. Maybe so. I know Soros wants to eliminate capitalism by any means. To think he doesn't support protesting groups for his agenda is blind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted November 2, 2023 Report Share Posted November 2, 2023 1 hour ago, claptonrocks said: Maybe so. I know Soros wants to eliminate capitalism by any means. To think he doesn't support protesting groups for his agenda is blind. Been to a protest or two, never got paid for them. Were do I send the bill? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted November 2, 2023 Report Share Posted November 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: Been to a protest or two, never got paid for them. Were do I send the bill? Depends on protest Radical would' be to Sorors agenda paid or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted November 2, 2023 Report Share Posted November 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, claptonrocks said: Depends on protest Radical would' be to Sorors agenda paid or not You guys really got to stop being used by those who want to give you a distraction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyInDC Posted November 2, 2023 Report Share Posted November 2, 2023 Leeja Miller did a great YouTube video on why Soros ended up being a boogieman for right-wing dummies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer_Rice Posted November 2, 2023 Report Share Posted November 2, 2023 My Gaza Bookmarks: Israel envoy wears yellow star at UN, drawing criticism from Holocaust memorial centre | The Straits Times US Declares ‘War’ Chartbook 248: "American leadership is what holds the world together." Joe Biden October 2023 ... just let that sink in. Meagan Brown on X: "Amir Weitmann, head of Israel's ruling Likud Party, promises revenge on Russia for insufficient support of Israel in an unhinged live RT interview. He stated “we will do everything to make sure Ukraine wins!” He states; "Russia will pay the price!" "Russia supports Nazis!" https://t.co/xDdU7BLh0t" / X Why Biden lied on Gaza hospital attack - Indian Punchline 𝕏ohnny 𝕏raz™ on X: "In case anyone is still wondering, Israel has just entered Stage 9. https://t.co/cV3ARoKww2" / X Michael Tracey on X: "Just back from Israel, Sen. Chris Coons (D-DE) calls for "striking" Iran "We can't afford not to act," says Sen. John Thune (R-SD) Coons is Biden's key intermediary in the Senate. Thune is the GOP's second-in-command https://t.co/lRdEV2o7J9" / X Briahna Joy Gray on X: "Who Has a "Right to Exist?" (w/ @mikopeled) "This is genocide, this is mass murder of civilians, without question. And Israel is not behaving strategically. Israel is behaving like a gangster who was humiliated, & is taking their revenge out on innocent people. That's it."… https://t.co/ems5Y23ETP" / X What they mean when they say America is 'indispensable' - Responsible Statecraft The five-front war that the US is unprepared to fight | The Hill Katie Halper A Jew For #CeasefireNow on X: "This is abhorrent." / X James J. Zogby on X: "Please read these statements by Israelis dehumanizing Palestinians & therefore justifying the killing of civilians - because they are animals. Ask why the US hasn’t condemned them? And compare it w/ what the reaction would be if Palestinians made similar comments about Israelis. https://t.co/Nx0FGW9h9V" / X Televangelists Invoke Holy War to Push for Weapons for Israel, Strikes on Iran Craig Murray: Something Has Snapped David Sheen on X: "Founding father of the exterminationist Kahanist wing of Israel’s ruling Likud party, Moshe Feiglin, rose to the post of Deputy Speaker of the parliament, and helped pull the right-wing party towards its current position of enthusiastic support for burning non-Jewish babies alive" / X Craig Murray - on X: "Want to talk about hostages? Israel has taken 1,360 political prisoners from the West Bank since 7 October, the vast majority of whom have no connection to Hamas. 3 female political activists taken from the university overnight." / X Corporate Enablers of Israel’s War on Gaza – Eyes on the Ties To show empathy (US officials when Palestinian civilians are killed) : therewasanattempt Justin Amash on X: "People who claim the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force authorizes military action in Iraq or Syria, or against Iran, either haven’t read it or don’t care what it says. The 2001 AUMF doesn’t authorize operations in or against any of those countries. Nor does it…" / X "Autumn of the patriarchs." - by Patrick Lawrence Sprinter on X: "The intensity of the air bridge to the Middle East... In the last 24 hours, there have been 49 US Air Force C-17A transport aircraft alone, and this does not include allied CONUS C-5M, A400M and C-130 aircraft with the call sign RCH/REACH. The list is not complete and does not… https://t.co/jr2y4rtIqy" / X MoA - Two Middle East Outlooks SDL on X: ""Reagan called Israeli prime minister Menachem Begin. 'Menachem, this is a holocaust.' […] Twenty minutes later Begin called back, saying he had ordered Sharon to halt the attacks." If the United States wanted to stop the bombing, we could. https://t.co/VdCk1sDShY" / X Patrick Lawrence: Full-Dress Irrationality – scheerpost.com Scott Ritter on X: "The true face of Israel." / X Angelo Giuliano on X: "Pure madness. This is not for Hamas, they will go for Iran. They just need to invent a reason, then they will have to get us to swallow it, to pay for it, to die for it. https://t.co/juJw9hQdqu" / X Don't Confuse Me With Facts. - by Aurelien Chris Hedges: Exterminate All the Brutes – scheerpost.com The Self-Isolation of the West – Russian & Eurasian Politics Gaza has become a graveyard for thousands of children The Peace of Westphalia as a Lesson in Solving Religious Wars Past Present or Future. How Much of the World Will the US Burn in the Transition to Multipolarity? | naked capitalism MoA - An Interview On Gaza With Dominique De Villepin (As Translated By Arnaud Bertrand) Censored Men on X: "#BREAKING: The Director of The Al-Ahli National Baptist Hospital in Gaza Delivers A Speech Surrounded By Dead Bodies. “The IDF told us, ‘we warned you yesterday with two bombs. So why have you not evacuated the hospital until this moment?” https://t.co/yaLGVNmHjR" / X The Rules Based Order - by Chuck Lindeberg Dances With Bears » MEMO ON THE FINAL SOLUTION FOR ONE STATE – ISRAEL OR PALESTINE Genocide Unfolding - Craig Murray Doomsday Diaries | Sarah Aziza Let my people in: Why Gazans are not welcome in the Arab world This is another Iraqi WMD moment. We are being gaslit How Israel uses its own civilians as human shields while assaulting Gaza - The Grayzone MoA - West's Pro-Israel Position Accelerates Its Loss Of Power This was a brilliant interview. The last part is so true. : PublicFreakout Revisiting Yeshayahu Leibowitz - JSTOR Daily ‘Al-Aqsa Flood’: The surprise is that some are surprised | Al Mayadeen English PATRICK LAWRENCE: Decency Becomes Indecent Dying Gazans Criticized For Not Using Last Words To Condemn Hamas Press Conference on Al-Aqsa Flood operations - Google Docs Beyond Moral Condemnation - Boston Review Extremist Politics in Israel and Ukraine - Alastair Crooke, Alexander Mercouris and Glenn Diesen - YouTube Why Hamas needs terror, escalation and global disruption - Asia Times Thomas Fazi on X: "As an old-school socialist, in recent years I’ve often found myself more aligned with people on the right than on the left — on issues such as national sovereignty and the EU, opposition to the Covid regime, the defense of free speech and the whole gender ideology madness. This…" / X The Qatari elephant in the room - by Jordan Schachtel Why I no longer stand with Israel, and never will again Arnaud Bertrand on X: "A helpful reminder of what De Gaulle used to say about NATO and American hegemony over Europe. This is all extracted from the book "C'était de Gaulle" which gathers his words as compiled by his confidant Alain Peyrefitte. De Gaulle said: “France’s objective is to build Europe… https://t.co/AmX2gTUfD4" / X Hamas's Attack on Israel Just Torched Biden’s Deal to Remake the Middle East - Bloomberg MoA - 'The Source Of Russian Brutality' As Proven By Fiction The End of a European World Order and the Search for a New International Order — Valdai Club They’re Repeating The Word ‘Unprovoked’ Again, This Time In Defense Of Israel – Caitlin Johnstone Hamas Attacks, What Does It Mean? – Ian Welsh Antisocialism and the rehabilitation of fascism George W. Bush Is Building a Memorial to the War on Terror. He Wants Your Feedback. The House of Anti-Communists, and the Nazi Monster it Spawned — The Canada Files Jewish leaders to Biden officials: ‘We’ve never seen anything like this ever’ - POLITICO Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi addresses the UN General Assembly: what you should know – Gilbert Doctorow Arabian Dreams The September 11 Legacy of Forever Wars, the Patriot Act, and Loss of Legal Rights | Black Agenda Report The End of America’s Special Relationships With Israel, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Turkey, and the Middle East 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted November 2, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2023 18 hours ago, claptonrocks said: Many of these pro Palistinians protests are paid by George Soros to do so. Add to the fact that most colleges have donors ( corporate world) that favor liberal teachings ( many overboard). So who is scarier John Wick or George Soros...you realize that Soros is a holocaust survivor Jew, so if he decides to support a cause against Israel then maybe he has a valid reason. Also, I couldn't find any articles from a credible organization, this story was broken by the NY Post, most famous for its hard-hitting journalism like Page 6 and juvenile headlines that always rhyme. Soros's non-profit gave money to many organizations in the past that participated in Pro Palestine protests, but that doesn't mean he directly funded those protests as you claim. If I give a homeless person 10 bucks and then two years later he commits a crime, I didn't fund that criminal...but carry on with the deflection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted November 2, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2023 10 hours ago, Homer_Rice said: My Gaza Bookmarks: Israel envoy wears yellow star at UN, drawing criticism from Holocaust memorial centre | The Straits Times US Declares ‘War’ Chartbook 248: "American leadership is what holds the world together." Joe Biden October 2023 ... just let that sink in. Meagan Brown on X: "Amir Weitmann, head of Israel's ruling Likud Party, promises revenge on Russia for insufficient support of Israel in an unhinged live RT interview. He stated “we will do everything to make sure Ukraine wins!” He states; "Russia will pay the price!" "Russia supports Nazis!" https://t.co/xDdU7BLh0t" / X Why Biden lied on Gaza hospital attack - Indian Punchline 𝕏ohnny 𝕏raz™ on X: "In case anyone is still wondering, Israel has just entered Stage 9. https://t.co/cV3ARoKww2" / X Michael Tracey on X: "Just back from Israel, Sen. Chris Coons (D-DE) calls for "striking" Iran "We can't afford not to act," says Sen. John Thune (R-SD) Coons is Biden's key intermediary in the Senate. Thune is the GOP's second-in-command https://t.co/lRdEV2o7J9" / X Briahna Joy Gray on X: "Who Has a "Right to Exist?" (w/ @mikopeled) "This is genocide, this is mass murder of civilians, without question. And Israel is not behaving strategically. Israel is behaving like a gangster who was humiliated, & is taking their revenge out on innocent people. That's it."… https://t.co/ems5Y23ETP" / X What they mean when they say America is 'indispensable' - Responsible Statecraft The five-front war that the US is unprepared to fight | The Hill Katie Halper A Jew For #CeasefireNow on X: "This is abhorrent." / X James J. Zogby on X: "Please read these statements by Israelis dehumanizing Palestinians & therefore justifying the killing of civilians - because they are animals. Ask why the US hasn’t condemned them? And compare it w/ what the reaction would be if Palestinians made similar comments about Israelis. https://t.co/Nx0FGW9h9V" / X Televangelists Invoke Holy War to Push for Weapons for Israel, Strikes on Iran Craig Murray: Something Has Snapped David Sheen on X: "Founding father of the exterminationist Kahanist wing of Israel’s ruling Likud party, Moshe Feiglin, rose to the post of Deputy Speaker of the parliament, and helped pull the right-wing party towards its current position of enthusiastic support for burning non-Jewish babies alive" / X Craig Murray - on X: "Want to talk about hostages? Israel has taken 1,360 political prisoners from the West Bank since 7 October, the vast majority of whom have no connection to Hamas. 3 female political activists taken from the university overnight." / X Corporate Enablers of Israel’s War on Gaza – Eyes on the Ties To show empathy (US officials when Palestinian civilians are killed) : therewasanattempt Justin Amash on X: "People who claim the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force authorizes military action in Iraq or Syria, or against Iran, either haven’t read it or don’t care what it says. The 2001 AUMF doesn’t authorize operations in or against any of those countries. Nor does it…" / X "Autumn of the patriarchs." - by Patrick Lawrence Sprinter on X: "The intensity of the air bridge to the Middle East... In the last 24 hours, there have been 49 US Air Force C-17A transport aircraft alone, and this does not include allied CONUS C-5M, A400M and C-130 aircraft with the call sign RCH/REACH. The list is not complete and does not… https://t.co/jr2y4rtIqy" / X MoA - Two Middle East Outlooks SDL on X: ""Reagan called Israeli prime minister Menachem Begin. 'Menachem, this is a holocaust.' […] Twenty minutes later Begin called back, saying he had ordered Sharon to halt the attacks." If the United States wanted to stop the bombing, we could. https://t.co/VdCk1sDShY" / X Patrick Lawrence: Full-Dress Irrationality – scheerpost.com Scott Ritter on X: "The true face of Israel." / X Angelo Giuliano on X: "Pure madness. This is not for Hamas, they will go for Iran. They just need to invent a reason, then they will have to get us to swallow it, to pay for it, to die for it. https://t.co/juJw9hQdqu" / X Don't Confuse Me With Facts. - by Aurelien Chris Hedges: Exterminate All the Brutes – scheerpost.com The Self-Isolation of the West – Russian & Eurasian Politics Gaza has become a graveyard for thousands of children The Peace of Westphalia as a Lesson in Solving Religious Wars Past Present or Future. How Much of the World Will the US Burn in the Transition to Multipolarity? | naked capitalism MoA - An Interview On Gaza With Dominique De Villepin (As Translated By Arnaud Bertrand) Censored Men on X: "#BREAKING: The Director of The Al-Ahli National Baptist Hospital in Gaza Delivers A Speech Surrounded By Dead Bodies. “The IDF told us, ‘we warned you yesterday with two bombs. So why have you not evacuated the hospital until this moment?” https://t.co/yaLGVNmHjR" / X The Rules Based Order - by Chuck Lindeberg Dances With Bears » MEMO ON THE FINAL SOLUTION FOR ONE STATE – ISRAEL OR PALESTINE Genocide Unfolding - Craig Murray Doomsday Diaries | Sarah Aziza Let my people in: Why Gazans are not welcome in the Arab world This is another Iraqi WMD moment. We are being gaslit How Israel uses its own civilians as human shields while assaulting Gaza - The Grayzone MoA - West's Pro-Israel Position Accelerates Its Loss Of Power This was a brilliant interview. The last part is so true. : PublicFreakout Revisiting Yeshayahu Leibowitz - JSTOR Daily ‘Al-Aqsa Flood’: The surprise is that some are surprised | Al Mayadeen English PATRICK LAWRENCE: Decency Becomes Indecent Dying Gazans Criticized For Not Using Last Words To Condemn Hamas Press Conference on Al-Aqsa Flood operations - Google Docs Beyond Moral Condemnation - Boston Review Extremist Politics in Israel and Ukraine - Alastair Crooke, Alexander Mercouris and Glenn Diesen - YouTube Why Hamas needs terror, escalation and global disruption - Asia Times Thomas Fazi on X: "As an old-school socialist, in recent years I’ve often found myself more aligned with people on the right than on the left — on issues such as national sovereignty and the EU, opposition to the Covid regime, the defense of free speech and the whole gender ideology madness. This…" / X The Qatari elephant in the room - by Jordan Schachtel Why I no longer stand with Israel, and never will again Arnaud Bertrand on X: "A helpful reminder of what De Gaulle used to say about NATO and American hegemony over Europe. This is all extracted from the book "C'était de Gaulle" which gathers his words as compiled by his confidant Alain Peyrefitte. De Gaulle said: “France’s objective is to build Europe… https://t.co/AmX2gTUfD4" / X Hamas's Attack on Israel Just Torched Biden’s Deal to Remake the Middle East - Bloomberg MoA - 'The Source Of Russian Brutality' As Proven By Fiction The End of a European World Order and the Search for a New International Order — Valdai Club They’re Repeating The Word ‘Unprovoked’ Again, This Time In Defense Of Israel – Caitlin Johnstone Hamas Attacks, What Does It Mean? – Ian Welsh Antisocialism and the rehabilitation of fascism George W. Bush Is Building a Memorial to the War on Terror. He Wants Your Feedback. The House of Anti-Communists, and the Nazi Monster it Spawned — The Canada Files Jewish leaders to Biden officials: ‘We’ve never seen anything like this ever’ - POLITICO Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi addresses the UN General Assembly: what you should know – Gilbert Doctorow Arabian Dreams The September 11 Legacy of Forever Wars, the Patriot Act, and Loss of Legal Rights | Black Agenda Report The End of America’s Special Relationships With Israel, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Turkey, and the Middle East Thanks for sharing, there are some very thought-provoking articles in those links, and I will share a few so anyone who didn't click on it can read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer_Rice Posted November 4, 2023 Report Share Posted November 4, 2023 "...ultimately became a silent messenger of Peace, who taught us that life is best when you build bridges between people, not walls." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer_Rice Posted November 4, 2023 Report Share Posted November 4, 2023 On 11/2/2023 at 10:47 AM, PatternMaster said: Thanks for sharing, there are some very thought-provoking articles in those links, and I will share a few so anyone who didn't click on it can read it. I wrote a thing, but I forgot that the site logs you out if you don't post fairly quickly. So, I just copypasta'd my bookmark folder. Anyhow, the essence of my lost post was this: people spend too much time looking left and right, but not enough time looking up. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted November 4, 2023 Report Share Posted November 4, 2023 On 11/2/2023 at 10:47 AM, PatternMaster said: Thanks for sharing, there are some very thought-provoking articles in those links, and I will share a few so anyone who didn't click on it can read it. You failed to mention Shani Louk.. You know the model who Hamas seized and beheaded her. Sick motherfuckers.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer_Rice Posted November 5, 2023 Report Share Posted November 5, 2023 Up early and restless. I'll take another stab along the lines of what I wrote the other day. "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful." --Seneca the Younger All ideologies are pathological belief systems. And I mean all. Left, Right, Liberal, Conservative, Libertarian, Socialist, Communist, and all the varieties of religion are, at their core, belief systems that allow us to take shortcuts when we have discussions within and between communities. They are convenient, and most people overlook the myths that serve as premises for X ideology. Or even worse, they insist that those myths are truths--without being able to articulate just how one arrives at that specific truth. And that is ironic, because the only way to place ideologies in proper context is to have a rock-solid, methodologically sound, approach to pursuing the truth. This notion, which is transitive, emphasizes the pursuit. It is an ongoing process, and process is ontologically superior to any isolated, frozen-moment, instantiation of the given process. If one can keep this idea as a central part of one's approach to walking through life, then there is a better than decent chance that one can acquire some actual wisdom, instead of parroting something that someone told you, which may, or may not, be truthful or even on a glide-path to truth. That's why propaganda is so effective, especially now, when most of what is presented to people via our governments and mass media--including astroturf groups that are set up explicitly to mislead and misinform the populace-at-large-- is pure, unadulterated bullshit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer_Rice Posted November 5, 2023 Report Share Posted November 5, 2023 Having worked at a newspaper in the middle of my working life, I understand some of the basics of how the news-sausage is prepared. And, if a journalist aspires to high levels of career attainment--especially the newsreaders--then at some moment they have to accept the parameters of what is permissible and what is not permissible as a matter of discourse. And nowadays, I have to ask, "How do some of these people sleep at night?" Because, either they are dumber than a box of rocks and actually believe the things they read out to us common folk, or they are lying, and lies on that scale are truly reprehensible. I once was part of a roundtable conversation with a notable person who got trashed by 60 Minutes. This was a couple of decades ago. And one of his remarks struck me as striking the core of how insidious all this misinformation is. He said (and I paraphrase) that he was appalled and angered by how his story was edited--he knew it to be untrue in some very important ways--yet, when the next story came on, he found himself more or less accepting the "truth" of the narrative of that story. Kind of an eye-opening event, eh? Then there are cases like SecState Powell holding up the vial of powder at the U.N. in the run-up to the Iraq War. Did he know, I mean truly know, that the info was false? Was he duped? What about the related dust-up about yellow-cake uranium at more or less the same time? My point is this: this shit is hard to figure out without digging deep into whatever the subject matter is. One always has to keep one's guard up, but even more important, one has to develop a method for determining just what counts as "truth." And that can mean a lot of different approaches, everything from a highly detailed and developed expertise in a given area, to incredibly lazy hot-takes that come from thoughtlessly parroting the ideas/propaganda/lies from another person or institution. It's the process which is more real that the uncontextualized, isolated moment. The path to wisdom is in being able to understand that one may be provisionally incorrect, in the moment, the which requires more moments to provide deeper insight. Simply put by Socrates: "The unexamined life is not worth living." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer_Rice Posted November 5, 2023 Report Share Posted November 5, 2023 A couple of weeks ago Slavoj Zizek wrote an interesting op-ed. Here's the beginning premise, which I found insightful and not often acknowledged as part of the general discourse: While Hamas's outrageous acts of terrorism should be condemned unconditionally, one must not confuse what is really at issue in the Holy Land. The choice is not one hardline faction or the other; it is between the fundamentalists on both sides and all those who still believe in the possibility of peaceful co-existence. Part of the reason this concept doesn't get much play is because of the polarization of our society in general. The "fundamentalists" of various stripes have taken over the discourse with respect to many ongoing controversies/policy debates/events. Personally, I find this to be not only very sad, but also very dangerous. And I say this with full understanding that our history is full of similarly upsetting periods and events. The itch that I cannot seem to scratch away is that I cannot help but conclude that, here in the U.S.A., we are becoming less and less capable of solving the problems which confront us. This will only become more pronounced as time passes and the solutions we try to offer for problems throw us into dangerous negative-feedback loops which make the problems not better, but worse. It isn't that the general populace doesn't instinctually know right from wrong. At least generally so. But the damn "fundamentalists" who live to drive wedges, who are blind to that pursuit of truth for the most part, and who are more concerned with the turds in their diapers than with making life, in general, better for everyone--universally--keep fucking things up and thereby creating the aforementioned negative feedback loops. Everything's upside down anymore, or so it seems. I have a buddy who often says, "The masses are asses." And he is correct so far as he goes. Because he knows, and I know, and you know, that human beings are basically decent people who, in many cases, just do not know how to handle the complex issues which demand our attention. Damn near anybody will help an old lady across the street--it's in our core to desire to be, and to sometimes actually be--decent, good people. The problem is with our elites and leaders. And I say that as someone who is personally committed to the concept of elites as leaders. They are the immoral asses who are flushing the future away via greed and grandiose self-importance, and this explains, in part, why so many people who purport to lead, willingly embrace evil, or at a slightly lower level, find themselves unconsciously ensnared in systems which are evil, in and of itself(s). It's personally sickening to me, metaphorically. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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