What is your biggest concern right now?

[MichaelWeston]

An option that makes some sense is Brandon Staley. He only had one good year as a DC though....his only year....and wasn't a great head coach in LAC and had a bad defense

 

Staley
Year	Yards	Scoring
2020	1	1
2021	29	30
2022	20	21
2023	28	24

[Jamie_B]

38 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said:

I just posted a Depth chart of that year.

 

Fair enough I guess I was inferring you thought that was a good roster.

[Jamie_B]

36 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said:

 

Corner isn't an issue at all. They don't have better players overall. The Defensive system here is overly complicated and nonsensical. Bend but don't break doesn't work. 

 

 

Wait are you actually suggesting that Cam Taylor Britt and Dax Hill/DJ Turner are just as good as Sauce Garder and DJ Reed?

 

There is no way you could possibly believe that. Tell me that I am misunderstanding this post.

[Jamie_B]

I know people have disagreements with PFF so feel free to provide a different source, but they have Sauce Gartner rated as the top CB in the league and Reed as #14. In fact the Jets have THREE of their top 15 CBs. Unless I am overlooking it none of the Bengals CBs even make the top 32.

 

PFF Cornerback Rankings: Top 32 ahead of the 2024 NFL season

[claptonrocks]

56 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said:

 

Corner isn't an issue at all. They don't have better players overall. The Defensive system here is overly complicated and nonsensical. Bend but don't break doesn't work. 

What does work?

A vanilla defense?

Not buying the overly complicated 

system..

They train every week and study film

How stupid are these guys then?

[sparky151]

53 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said:

 

Corner isn't an issue at all. They don't have better players overall. The Defensive system here is overly complicated and nonsensical. Bend but don't break doesn't work. 

 

Wait, are you saying the Jets don't have better defensive players than the Bengals overall? That's crazytalk. Even apart from Sauce, they have the Williams brothers and a group of pass rushers. We have 1 good pass rusher and that's it. 

[Jamie_B]

1 hour ago, SmoothD said:

Biggest concern has to be the safeties.

Both are slower than Sunday Easter Mass.

Stone ran a pedestrian 4.62 at the combine.

Bell is probably a few steps slower now.

Those 7 interceptions from Geno Stone last year are fools gold.

Haven't seen one play from Stone this year where is was in position to get one.

 

 

 

I have a coworker who is a Ravens fan, he said Stone's INTs were really just because guys around him created balls that were easy for him to get off of tips and such and that he didnt really do it himself.

 

I want a true CB1 before S, but if there is a true Jessie Bates/Kyle Hamilton type sitting there in the draft I would not complain at all.

[claptonrocks]

21 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

 

 

Wait are you actually suggesting that Cam Taylor Britt and Dax Hill/DJ Turner are just as good as Sauce Garder and DJ Reed?

 

There is no way you could possibly believe that. Tell me that I am misunderstanding this post.

Id trade all 3 for Sauce and start from there...

 

[Jamie_B]

Just now, claptonrocks said:

Id trade all 3 for Sauce and start from there...

 

 

 

In a perfect world. Jets would never let him go though.

 

DJ Reed is a FA this coming offseason, if he's available I go get him.

[claptonrocks]

6 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

 

 

In a perfect world. Jets would never let him go though.

 

DJ Reed is a FA this coming offseason, if he's available I go get him.

Agree .

Alot teams will outbid Reed for his services so they'll go after a cheaper one...

Guaranteed money will stop it.

And so it goes.

 

Draft may be the best option but then you have a rook learning the ropes..

They'll continue to go with these 3 as

it's a cheaper method 

 

[Jamie_B]

2 minutes ago, claptonrocks said:

Agree .

Alot teams will outbid Reed for his services so they'll go after a cheaper one...

And so it goes.

Draft may be the best option but then you have a rook learning the ropes..

They'll continue to go with these 3 as

it's a cheap method 

 

 

I hope you're wrong about them spending, Tee will be gone, they will likely resign Jamar, but they should have money to spend on defense.

[claptonrocks]

7 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

 

 

I hope you're wrong about them spending, Tee will be gone, they will likely resign Jamar, but they should have money to spend on defense.

I hope I'm wrong too.

Can you explain to me why the guaranteed money is Allways a roadblock ( aside from JB) to

acquiring talented players.

They don't have it to give???

[Jamie_B]

Just now, claptonrocks said:

I hope I'm wrong too.

Can you explain to me why the guaranteed money is Allways a roadblock ( aside from JB) to

acquiring talented players.

They don't have it to give???

 

 

I wish I knew why this Front Office refuses to modernize it's thinking.

[claptonrocks]

6 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

 

 

I wish I knew why this Front Office refuses to modernize it's thinking.

One other thing on Reed..

His agent is David Mulugata..😡

[T-Dub]

2 hours ago, Jamie_B said:

 

I think we draft pretty ok on offense, defense not so much.

 

If we ignore Ross and the string of bums on the OL, maybe. In fact between Palmer and Burrow the only first round picks on offense that were worth anything are Green and Zeitler. Not great.

[claptonrocks]

7 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

 

 

I wish I knew why this Front Office refuses to modernize it's thinking.

It's the old man keeping this team in the stone ages.

Until he's gone or to fuckin senile they'll go with his final decisions.

 

[Catfish Bob]

No concerns at all. I'm confident that they'll win the next four and be sitting at 5-4 when they play Baltimore again. 

[T-Dub]

1 minute ago, Catfish Bob said:

No concerns at all. I'm confident that they'll win the next four and be sitting at 5-4 when they play Baltimore again. 

 

Pass that over here, dude. 😆

 

 

[Jamie_B]

8 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

 

If we ignore Ross and the string of bums on the OL, maybe. In fact between Palmer and Burrow the only first round picks on offense that were worth anything are Green and Zeitler. Not great.

 

I'm strictly talking about since Taylor was the HC as I believe drafting with this team largely happens with coaches and Tobin uses their data more than anything else.

 

[Jamie_B]

5 minutes ago, Catfish Bob said:

No concerns at all. I'm confident that they'll win the next four and be sitting at 5-4 when they play Baltimore again. 

 

I don't know about confident but unless Chubb returns before we play the Browns I think it's very possible 

[Catfish Bob]

1 minute ago, Jamie_B said:

 

I don't know about confident but unless Chubb returns before we play the Browns I think it's very possible 

You know what I was thinking lol?     Hopefully they don't wise up and start Winston because historically we are just dog terrible against first timers and back ups. 

[claptonrocks]

Just now, Catfish Bob said:

You know what I was thinking lol?     Hopefully they don't wise up and start Winston because historically we are just dog terrible against first timers and back ups. 

Winston is good for 2 Tds and 2 ints per game

Bring him on..

 

[T-Dub]

14 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

 

I'm strictly talking about since Taylor was the HC as I believe drafting with this team largely happens with coaches and Tobin uses their data more than anything else.

 

 

Burrow, Higgins and Chase are making up for a lot there. Adeniji, Carman, Sample (found a role but not a good 2nd round pick), Michael Jordan (gotta be the shoes) , D'Ante Smith,  Trey Hill. 

 

Erick All seems like a great pick. Burton, not so much. Brown is turning into a good RB. Mims of course but that's the law of averages finally working in their favor considering the long line of OL busts.

 

They sure are giving Tobin a lot of credit (and presumably money) if he's really just a rubber stamp.

 

 

 

[claptonrocks]

12 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

 

Burrow, Higgins and Chase are making up for a lot there. Adeniji, Carman, Sample (found a role but not a good 2nd round pick), Michael Jordan (gotta be the shoes) , D'Ante Smith,  Trey Hill. 

 

Erick All seems like a great pick. Burton, not so much. Brown is turning into a good RB. Mims of course but that's the law of averages finally working in their favor considering the long line of OL busts.

 

They sure are giving Tobin a lot of credit (and presumably money) if he's really just a rubber stamp.

 

 

 

Rubber stamp..yes

I have no faith in this guy at all

now..

Is 90 yr old John Cooper still scouting for them???..🙄

[Jamie_B]

16 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

 

Burrow, Higgins and Chase are making up for a lot there. Adeniji, Carman, Sample (found a role but not a good 2nd round pick), Michael Jordan (gotta be the shoes) , D'Ante Smith,  Trey Hill. 

 

Erick All seems like a great pick. Burton, not so much. Brown is turning into a good RB. Mims of course but that's the law of averages finally working in their favor considering the long line of OL busts.

 

They sure are giving Tobin a lot of credit (and presumably money) if he's really just a rubber stamp.

 

 

I mean every team has hits and misses. I think it's too early to label Burton anything, he isnt going to beat out Chase or Higgins and probably not Yoshi either. 

 

Carman was them getting forced into taking a tackle because they didnt do enough to have one ready if they were going to take Jamar. I'd say the same about them taking Zack Carter because they fucked up losing Ogunjobi. I hope I'm not saying that about our recently drafted DTs re: losing Reader in a year or two. Miround Olinemen are midround Olinemen.

 

I'm not saying Tobin doesnt do anything, I think the way things go with this team is Tobin and the scouts do the prep work during the season, coaches come in and look that over do their own and add to that after the season, and I think the coaches input is the stuff that is weighed the most heavily during the draft. That's great when your coaches are good at identifying talent, it's not when they aren't. During Marvin's time here we drafted defense better than offense as far as playmakers imo. (sans top 5 pick AJ Green). With Taylor I think it's the oppisite. That should be expected seeing as this is what each coach was good at. What I would prefer to see is us getting a front office that does it all so we're not deficient on either side of the ball.