Shebengal Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 12 hours ago, claptonrocks said: Leave them up. Turn them on throughoutv the year when you want tol light it up Why not? Makes for good gossip from the neighbors. Fuck em. Wouldn't faze our neighbors in the least. I live in a "Live and let live" neighborhood pretty much. 2 Quote
TigerJ@w Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 13 hours ago, GoBengals said: this is funny. what do you get if they win a championship? how many days until you complain again about the team? 3? 22? i left that awful city like Mike should have to Baltimore. but ive had about 100-150 days of road trips to games with my kid and a fun ass playoff run with my friends, a superbowl trip with family and friends, its been awesome, i dont get a ring or a bonus if they win a superbowl, it would be awesome, but the ride is the reward. Sports make life fun and enjoyable. if youre using them for something else, then thats on you. Well, good for you, you want a Participation Trophy. The Ultimate Goal as you know is to win the Lombardi Trophy, nothing else will suffice. I am glad to hear you enjoyed your time as it being entertainment because like you said and as we all know, the NFL is just that, Entertainment. But for a person like myself and my family, we are and still are originally from Cincinnati and many still live there, then I have a different view and perspective on this matter and when you put money into something, then you should expect the ultimate goal on what should be obtained. You paid different ways then my family has and so have we. I have been to games too and so many Training Camps with my family. I have not gone in a Decade or a little more anymore because I will not invest my money or time into this organization, the Taxpayers have done this and are still doing this. you ask, will I continue to complain about this, um, YOU DAMN RIGHT I AM GOING TOO because I have that right. Have a good day! 2 Quote
claptonrocks Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 13 hours ago, GoBengals said: this is funny. what do you get if they win a championship? how many days until you complain again about the team? 3? 22? i left that awful city like Mike should have to Baltimore. but ive had about 100-150 days of road trips to games with my kid and a fun ass playoff run with my friends, a superbowl trip with family and friends, its been awesome, i dont get a ring or a bonus if they win a superbowl, it would be awesome, but the ride is the reward. Sports make life fun and enjoyable. if youre using them for something else, then thats on you. Two things. "The ride is the reward".. 'Sports make life fun and enjoyable' Hope most Bengal fans see it this way... 1 Quote
T-Dub Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 21 hours ago, GoBengals said: this is dumb as fucking hell. if the offense was failing with those guys, maybe.. but its bordering a op 5 offense.. and the defense has ben a scrap heap, someones head should roll because the defense full of backups and just dudes isnt good when having a good offense.. 10/10. should be a GM. Why is the defense full of backups and just dudes? Were the Bengals assigned a roster by pulling names out of a hat? Crazy to me the lengths you'll go to in order to avoid holding anyone responsible. (I hadn't seen the Anarumo thread yet so I guess we can skip this one) 21 hours ago, GoBengals said: lmao. how is this so hard to figure out. How hard is this to figure out: Finding quality offensive linemen is very difficult, granted. That means you have to put more effort into finding them, spend more draft picks on prospects, and give them more time to develop. What's the alternative? "Oh well, this is pretty hard, so I guess we'll just have an OL that sucks eternally instead"? (same but for Pollock. FFWD) 19 hours ago, GoBengals said: HE DOESNT HAVE A ROLE IN THIS TEAM WHY ARE YALL LIKE THIS From the Bengals.com "Front Office Roster" Mike Brown - President In case you're not wearing your reading glasses, that does not say "Katie Blackburn", and also says "President" and not "Well-meaning figurehead" So I guess take it up with them. Be sure and use CAPSLOCK. https://www.bengals.com/team/front-office-roster/ Think we're on the same page otherwise TBH but the knee-jerk apologist thing seems a bit forced. Blame missing the playoffs by a win, there's plenty of it to go around. Quote
Bleeds Orange Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 On 1/6/2025 at 12:50 AM, GoBengals said: mike brown is 90 years old and doesnt have a fucking thing to do with these decisions.. why do people keep doing this.. he is 90, he can barely ride the golf cart. leave this man alove. why would he do that? when has he ever done that? wtf are you talking about. 17 hours ago, T-Dub said: From the Bengals.com "Front Office Roster" Mike Brown - President In case you're not wearing your reading glasses, that does not say "Katie Blackburn", and also says "President" and not "Well-meaning figurehead" So I guess take it up with them. Be sure and use CAPSLOCK. https://www.bengals.com/team/front-office-roster/ T-Dub referenced what I was about to. I had read that Brown still maintained his authority to have the final say and that he didn't like to be challenged, so that was the reason for my original question. To me, Burrow saying those things about Tee in press conferences comes across as a challenge to management, and I assumed the top level of management was the guy who was listed as the president, the one who perhaps didn't like to be challenged, and that he still maintained that authority. Maybe he's a figurehead only, I don't know, but I've not seen nor read anything that would indicate or confirm that he is. Anyway, that's "wtf" I was talking about. 1 Quote
|SF2| Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 On 1/6/2025 at 12:50 AM, GoBengals said: they spend up to the cap every year. why wouldnt they spend?!?!?!? its like bengals fans live in an imaginary world based on towels since in thelocker room in 1996 and never left. Without a doubt this shit drives me fucking crazy. The worst is every talking head in the media spouting of the same BS about the Bengals not paying their players. They MUST pay their players the same amount as every other team. Every team must spend to 90% of the cap amount every year, minimum. They are also required to spend a minimum of 95% of the league cap figure on a rolling 5 year period. Failure to do so requires the owner to send a check to the Players’ Union to make up the shortfall. NO team spends over the CAP. It’s not fucking baseball or the NBA. There is no luxury tax. You can’t spend over the Cap. Well I guess you can but.,, ”If a team goes over the salary cap, they are fined upwards of five million dollars for each violation of the cap. In more severe scenarios, draft picks can be confiscated entirely and player contracts can be voided. Teams over the cap are also banned from signing any new players until they are back below the cap again.” BTW, the reason most teams have a little cap space left every year is due to contract incentives. They leave a little space in case a player hits an incentive so they can pay it in this year. That is why most incentives are only $500k to maybe $1mil. Quote
T-Dub Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 22 minutes ago, SF2 said: Without a doubt this shit drives me fucking crazy. The worst is every talking head in the media spouting of the same BS about the Bengals not paying their players. They MUST pay their players the same amount as every other team. Every team must spend to 90% of the cap amount every year, minimum. They are also required to spend a minimum of 95% of the league cap figure on a rolling 5 year period. Failure to do so requires the owner to send a check to the Players’ Union to make up the shortfall. NO team spends over the CAP. It’s not fucking baseball or the NBA. There is no luxury tax. You can’t spend over the Cap. Well I guess you can but.,, ”If a team goes over the salary cap, they are fined upwards of five million dollars for each violation of the cap. In more severe scenarios, draft picks can be confiscated entirely and player contracts can be voided. Teams over the cap are also banned from signing any new players until they are back below the cap again.” BTW, the reason most teams have a little cap space left every year is due to contract incentives. They leave a little space in case a player hits an incentive so they can pay it in this year. That is why most incentives are only $500k to maybe $1mil. How do you explain this? https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space There are maybe a dozen teams with 90% of their cap accounted for & some are barely over 50%. This isn't an outlier either. Every source available lists teams with tens of millions in cap space, including the Bengals. If teams were operating at 90-95% of the cap they wouldn't be able to extend players for $30 million per, this makes no sense. The CBA may say it but this doesn't match up with any accounting I've ever seen. Quote
|SF2| Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 34 minutes ago, T-Dub said: How do you explain this? https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space There are maybe a dozen teams with 90% of their cap accounted for & some are barely over 50%. This isn't an outlier either. Every source available lists teams with tens of millions in cap space, including the Bengals. If teams were operating at 90-95% of the cap they wouldn't be able to extend players for $30 million per, this makes no sense. The CBA may say it but this doesn't match up with any accounting I've ever seen. Uhh, that is 2025 cap space and the 2025 NFL year doesn’t even start until March 12th. For the next 2 mos teams need to re-sign their own FAs which will close that gap significantly. For example Chase’s future LARGE salary isn’t reflected in that number, only the tiny 5th year tender price is,,, which he will NEVER play for. Any player who will be an FA has zero dollars currently allocated to the cap, ex Higgins. He currently counts for $0 to any NFL team’s cap right now. Quote
T-Dub Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 24 minutes ago, SF2 said: Uhh, that is 2025 cap space and the 2025 NFL year doesn’t even start until March 12th. Yeah I get that, but there are a couple of teams with over $100M in cap room (NE, Oakland). You're saying they're going to commit 90-95% of that in the next 6 months? I also still don't understand how a team is able to make a midseason trade or sign extensions with that little operating budget. I take it there's a grace period? Like they have to be at 90% on opening day & the other 364 days of the year don't count? Quote
|SF2| Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 22 minutes ago, T-Dub said: Yeah I get that, but there are a couple of teams with over $100M in cap room (NE, Oakland). You're saying they're going to commit 90-95% of that in the next 6 months? I also still don't understand how a team is able to make a midseason trade or sign extensions with that little operating budget. I take it there's a grace period? Like they have to be at 90% on opening day & the other 364 days of the year don't count? Yes they will. Both teams will overpay for free agents like always. In 2017 the Browns signed Brock Osweiler for $16 mil guaranteed and promptly released him. It was basically a cap compliance move and to purchase some draft picks. Quote
T-Dub Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 8 minutes ago, SF2 said: Yes they will. Both teams will overpay for free agents like always. In 2017 the Browns signed Brock Osweiler for $16 mil guaranteed and promptly released him. It was basically a cap compliance move and to purchase some draft picks. That does sound very Cleveland. Wouldn't this also mean that >$100M just came off the Pats roster? Did they have a boatload of dead money this year? How much were they paying Brissett? Quote
sparky151 Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 2 hours ago, SF2 said: Without a doubt this shit drives me fucking crazy. The worst is every talking head in the media spouting of the same BS about the Bengals not paying their players. They MUST pay their players the same amount as every other team. Every team must spend to 90% of the cap amount every year, minimum. They are also required to spend a minimum of 95% of the league cap figure on a rolling 5 year period. Failure to do so requires the owner to send a check to the Players’ Union to make up the shortfall. NO team spends over the CAP. It’s not fucking baseball or the NBA. There is no luxury tax. You can’t spend over the Cap. Well I guess you can but.,, ”If a team goes over the salary cap, they are fined upwards of five million dollars for each violation of the cap. In more severe scenarios, draft picks can be confiscated entirely and player contracts can be voided. Teams over the cap are also banned from signing any new players until they are back below the cap again.” BTW, the reason most teams have a little cap space left every year is due to contract incentives. They leave a little space in case a player hits an incentive so they can pay it in this year. That is why most incentives are only $500k to maybe $1mil. Teams frequently spend more in a given year than the cap. It's called "cash over cap". Teams which sign a franchise QB to a new deal are a common example. What you are referring to is the hard cap, that every dollar spent for things in the CBA will eventually show up on the cap. But teams have a lot of flexibility to move dollars around from one season to another. They can do that via restructurings or a common device is to give a player on a new contract a big signing bonus (prorated up to 5 years) along with a minimal base salary. Browns have been doing that with Watson which is why his 46 mil per year contract average counts 72 mil in 2025 and 2026. The Bengals manage to their own internal caps which is why they are never in cap trouble. That means they aren't forced to cut underperformers for cap reasons. That has a side effect of weakening a culture of accountability. 1 hour ago, T-Dub said: Yeah I get that, but there are a couple of teams with over $100M in cap room (NE, Oakland). You're saying they're going to commit 90-95% of that in the next 6 months? I also still don't understand how a team is able to make a midseason trade or sign extensions with that little operating budget. I take it there's a grace period? Like they have to be at 90% on opening day & the other 364 days of the year don't count? Teams have to be cap compliant 365 days a year but there are different rules in the offseason to accommodate rosters of up to 90 players. Only the 51 biggest cap hits count then. The teams with lots of cap space can easily spend it when free agency hits. If all else fails they can use roster bonuses instead of signing bonuses to frontload the cap hit instead of prorating it. Quote
|SF2| Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 4 hours ago, sparky151 said: Teams frequently spend more in a given year than the cap. It's called "cash over cap". Teams which sign a franchise QB to a new deal are a common example. What you are referring to is the hard cap, that every dollar spent for things in the CBA will eventually show up on the cap. But teams have a lot of flexibility to move dollars around from one season to another. They can do that via restructurings or a common device is to give a player on a new contract a big signing bonus (prorated up to 5 years) along with a minimal base salary. Browns have been doing that with Watson which is why his 46 mil per year contract average counts 72 mil in 2025 and 2026. The Bengals manage to their own internal caps which is why they are never in cap trouble. That means they aren't forced to cut underperformers for cap reasons. That has a side effect of weakening a culture of accountability. Teams have to be cap compliant 365 days a year but there are different rules in the offseason to accommodate rosters of up to 90 players. Only the 51 biggest cap hits count then. The teams with lots of cap space can easily spend it when free agency hits. If all else fails they can use roster bonuses instead of signing bonuses to frontload the cap hit instead of prorating it. No doubt there are ways to “spread” and “prorate” the cap but at the end of the day it catches up with you, It doesn’t magically go away. My Saints are a perfect example of what spreading out the cap and prorating it can do. They are currently $67 million OVER the 2025 cap and have $48 mil in dead cap. The Browns are $23 mil over the cap and don’t have anything resembling a QB. Crazy is if they were to cut Watson today, that over the cap number would jump to $123 million!! That is how much has been spread into the future. Quote
sparky151 Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 Yes, the Browns will probably use the #2 pick on a QB even though this is a weak QB class. They can't afford to cut Watson in 2025. At the start of 2026, they could cut him with a post-June 1 designation and spread the remaining cap hits equally between 2026 and 2027. Or carry his full 72 mil cap hit in 2026 and finally see some relief in 2027. Saints problem is they kicked the can down the road so many times that they have a bunch of declining players who are more expensive to cut than to keep. They've been in cap hell for years with Mickey Loomis handing out crazy contracts from necessity. IMO they should clear their cap for 2025, and do a 1 or 2 year tank to get younger and cheaper and have the top pick the year Arch Manning enters the league. They should also fire Loomis and hire someone who's better at resource allocation. Quote
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