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Also worth noting again that every time Marvin was negotiating an extension, MB ended up getting rid of some dead weight hanger-on from before Marvin got here, like Bratfailski or Ketchup Whisperer. I don't think that's a coincidence.
Taylor was given a clean slate, unlike Marvin who had those two albatrosses second guessing him from the start. The only person undercutting Taylor's authority is MB & the front office.. And Taylor himself, strangely enough.
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The cold hard fact is Marvin never even managed a bye in 16 years. Even when he had good teams he managed to piss away a game or two during the regular season. He was 8-26 against the Stealers.
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Law is infinitely more substantive.
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A zillion up votes. Few get this. Thanks.
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I know the mantra is that after so many years, it became clear Marvin would never get this team to the promised land... what should follow this statement is that no one else can do it either, with this front office.
If given the opportunities - and some probably will come his way - I believe Marv will do it. I will be cheering him on.
Regarding his playoff performances.. I don't put as much stock in the raw number of 7 losses since I was following the team and paying attention to the context of those games. Also because I remember the pre-Marv days when you were cautiously optimistic that maybe this year, the team will be below average but not a total laughingstock.
About half of the playoff squads were mediocre talent-wise and it was an achievement to reach the playoffs with them. Were any of you people fans in 2009? I remember that season for the way Marv and the staff took an average squad and totally changed the personality of the team (dominant defense with game-managing rushing offense) by adapting to the strengths and weaknesses of what they had. Hard to imagine that kind of flexibility these days.
Other teams were also unripe, talent wise, and did well to just make it. The early years of Dalton and Green, for example.
The 2005 game was contested with small-hands Kitna unexpectedly thrown into the fire from the 3rd play. The 2014 team...by season's end, so bombed out and depleted that a RB started as a slot receiver. 2015 had a backup QB as well, the Ryan Finley of his day.
2015, the game which scarred us all - certainly Marvin's best team and a game we should have won, even with McCarron. Of course the buck always stops with the head coach and Marvin takes the L. But even if you are a firm believer in the coach's ability to conjure up 'mentality' or 'the steeler way' or whatever you want to call it, the players must execute. I don't know how much you can honestly say Marvin is at fault for Jeremy Hill fumbling the ball while burning clock with the game in hand. Maybe you think Marvin should have 'instilled a winning attitude in him' or some BS.
For my money, the worst news of the season was Marvin selling his Cincy home. I guess I was secretly hoping somehow he would be back. Marvin was able to cover many of the shortcomings of the front office and paper over the cracks, but without him the Mike Brown Bengals have returned to their true and natural state. Welcome to the 90s all over again. It took MB well over a decade to find a single head coach who wasn't utter garbage - he has accomplished this feat only once in his life - and I guarantee you that he and his stooges haven't gotten any better at their jobs since then.
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If the city tried to seize the Bengals, it would be an Ohio case, not Federal. There simply isn't a right to refuse seizure, which is why the right to fair compensation is important and guaranteed by the US Constitution. If the Bengals don't want to be subject to the Modell law, they shouldn't have accepted the various public subsidies they've received. It's too late now to give the money back to avoid the law.
In the Columbus Crew case, MLS used the same law firm (Proskauer) used by the NFL, NBA, and MLB. They lost every ruling and didn't try to move the case to Federal court though they argued and lost their claim that the Modell law violated the US Constitution's interstate commerce clause.
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You seem to be overlooking the leading case on the limits of eminent domain. Kelo said a city could take a woman's house and resell it to a real estate developer who would pay more in property taxes. If people had some right to refuse fair payment for their property, we'd never be able to build an electric grid, national pipeline network, etc. But the power to take property isn't limited to real estate. In the case of the dive bars, they didn't own any real estate (deliberately so for liability reasons). So while the properties were taken, so were the businesses which operated in them. Their trademarks, liquor licenses, and what little tangible property they had in glassware etc.
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There is little to no decision you will find in which a perfectly viable privately owned company is taken from its current owners and given to someone else cooler.
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LOL, California and Washington State Supreme Court?? US District Court would laugh at those silly decisions. The Modell Law has to do with publicly funded facilities and existing contracts, NOT simply taking a privately held company away for no reason other than they city doesn’t like the owners and wants to give it to someone else. I seriously doubt the Modell Law would ever survive an appeal to the US court.
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Yes, in the Colts case, they got out of the jurisdiction before they could be served. In the Raiders case, the California Supreme court eventually ruled they could be taken but again they had already moved by then. Likewise with the former Seattle Supersonics moving to Oklahoma City.
When Ohio passed the Modell law in 1996, those events were recent history. Thus the prohibition on moving until local residents or governments had a chance to buy a team.
If Cincinnati city council proposed a buyout of the Brown family, it would have to pass an ordinance, have multiple readings, line up financing, etc. It wouldn't be a surprise move but if the Bengals suddenly declared they had moved to somewhere else, it wouldn't prevent the application of the Modell law and the sale of the team. The team's lease with Hamilton county would prevent a lack of jurisdiction
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Yes, certainly they can. More than 200 years of history and lots of court decisions support the power of local governments to take property provided fair compensation is paid.
What provision of law do you think would prevent it? There are practical obstacles such as arranging financing but no serious legal impediments.
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Beats the city buying the Bengals turn in the Jets thread.
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Found this snippet. Had completely forgotten this historical footnote:
The city of Baltimore, Maryland, tried to keep its NFL team, the Colts, through the exercise of EMINENT DOMAIN. Eminent domain is the power of a government to take private property for public use, with compensation to the party deprived of the property. In early 1984 the Baltimore Colts were having difficulty obtaining a satisfactory lease for Baltimore's Memorial Stadium. Owner Robert Irsay began to receive solicitations from the city of Indianapolis, Indiana, for the Colts to play in the city's Hoosier Dome. In February 1984 the Maryland Senate entertained a bill that would give the city of Baltimore the authority to condemn and take over professional sports franchises, but it postponed a vote on the bill.
On February 28, 1984, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit announced its decision in the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum case, which affirmed the right of Oakland Raiders' owner Al Davis to move the team to Los Angeles. The NFL told Irsay in a private meeting that, in light of the decision in the Raiders' case, it would not oppose any move by the Colts. Irsay continued to negotiate for a financial package that would keep the Colts in Baltimore until he learned that the Maryland Senate had passed the eminent domain legislation.
Irsay decided to move the Colts to Indianapolis immediately. That day, vice president and general manager Michael Chernoff arranged for a moving company to come to the Colts' training facility and load the team equipment into vans. The Colts left Baltimore, their home city for thirty years, during the night of March 28–29, 1984.
On March 30, 1984, the Maryland Senate passed an emergency bill that gave the city of Baltimore the power of eminent domain over the team. The city immediately passed an ordinance that authorized the condemnation and then filed a petition in court, seeking to acquire the Colts by eminent domain and to prevent the team from doing anything to further the movement of the franchise, but it was too late. A federal court eventually held in December 1985 that Baltimore did not have the power of eminent domain over the Colts because it had not attempted to compensate the franchise and because the franchise had relocated to another state (Indianapolis Colts v. Mayor of Baltimore, 741 F.2d 954 [7th Cir. 1984], cert. denied, 470 U.S. 1052, 105 S. Ct. 1753, 84 L. Ed. 2d 817 [1985]).
https://law.jrank.org/pages/10434/Sports-Law-COME-BACK-SHANE-MOVEMENT-PROFESSIONAL-SPORTS-TEAMS.html
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It often does. But hey, it's the offseason...with 4 games to go.
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What? Are you a Satanist or an Atheist or something?
j/k and I would really prefer not to know.
Carry on
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You actually think the city can take over a perfectly legitimate, legally run, fully up to date on taxes business over and resell it to somebody they like? The US District Court would bend Cincinnati over and stick a dick in its ass. Utter Fascism.
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Is there any doubt the team will tag AJ?
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To win a Super bowl, a team has to win 3 or 4 playoff games in the same season. Let's just say Marvin has shown no sign of even the baby steps of winning the first game before the harder playoff games.
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Man this took a strange turn.
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Agree the bars were wise to take the buyouts, they were fairly generous. But that has nothing to do with the city's power to take the tangible and intangible property. There's really no question that Ohio law allows publicly owned sports teams and allows the taking of privately owned ones by local governments. Thus my question as to why local politicians in Cincinnati aren't proposing something along those lines. The NFL is basically a partnership of 32 independent businesses, unlike MLS. There is a league rule prohibiting public ownership (with a grandfather exemption for Green Bay). But that league rule doesn't trump sovereign powers. If the city council seized the team, paid the Browns fair value, then tried to sell it to Jeff Bezos or whomever, the league could approve or disapprove of his candidacy. But the league isn't free to dissolve the Bengals team or eject them from the partnership. Indeed, the league's response would likely be to ask the city to sell the team to a rich individual (not named Mike Brown).
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Adam went on the PUP list and never played a down.
Mrs Adam went on to invent and market a feminine hygiene product favored by the Pittsburgh Stealers and their troglodyte quarterback in particular.
God was picked by the New England Patriots and is still active with the team to this day.
He was passed over by numerous other teams including for some inexplicable reason, the New Orleans Saints.
That is why Passover is celebrated every year by His Chosen People to commemorate His not being chosen earlier.
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Depends, if we win out other than the Pats, I expect management to make no moves. If we lose a few more and end up with the 1st overall pick, I think some assistants may get the bag.
With as late as Taylor came into the game this past offseason, I still would not be surprised if he retools some of his coaching staff with guys that he didn't have an opportunity to talk to last season. That's not untypical of late coaching hires going into their 2nd season.
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Which VPN do you wind up going with?
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Bengals are 13th.. they were 1st last year, but as SF2 said most of our best players are older.
https://www.phillyvoice.com/ranking-nfl-teams-age-after-53-man-cutdowns-2019-edition/
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