|Bunghole| Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 [quote name='Nati Ice' post='643248' date='Mar 13 2008, 10:12 PM']lol yea, but the point is that the most prolific compromise he has made in recent years was when he compromised his own beliefs to fit his parties pro-war ultra-conservative base, and it is because of this transformation that he will be unsuccessful to pull in independents and moderates during a general election.[/quote] No. I meant his willingness to actually "cross party lines" for legislation. **Gasp** Does anyone do that anymore? And if you're referring to the "100 years in Iraq" comment, please. The guy is a tortured vet, he was speaking in terms of the Japan/Germany/Korea model...not that we should be "fighting for blood for 100 years". That comment has been so taken out of context....it's surprising. Or not. McCain certainly has some issues, but so does Obama...like, what does he really stand for and what is he really going to do except say things that make everyone feel good and admit that "they want change"? Well, what change? Obama gets high marks for oratory, but he is infuriatingly vague on policy issues...which I suppose is par for the course at this point. But simply pumping people up and saying "Yes We Can" is different than actually having specific goals and having a way to implement them amongst a partisan Congress. Please believe me when I say that I hope that if Obama wins, that I pray that the things he says have some substance behind them. I like Obama. I just don't know who he really is or what he stands for. The guy has a pretty short record in Congress, which, depending on your POV, may or may not be a good thing. I just tire of this McCain bashing, like he hates America, is Bush Lite, is some war-monger, etc. It's bullshit is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBZ Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Not that I disagree with Olberman's take on errors made by Clinton's "handlers"...But he is getting very deep into becoming a charicature of himself. That may be good for his paycheque...But it betrays his point of view. A little less melodrama please. This issue is already yesterday's news, and will be long forgotten during the final outcome. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBacker Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 I swear sometimes I feel like Alex Reiger from Taxi, or Bob Newhart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Lucid| Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 [quote name='TheBZ' post='643272' date='Mar 14 2008, 12:56 AM']Not that I disagree with Olberman's take on errors made by Clinton's "handlers"...But he is getting very deep into becoming a charicature of himself. That may be good for his paycheque...But it betrays his point of view. A little less melodrama please. This issue is already yesterday's news, and will be long forgotten during the final outcome. BZ[/quote] If he loses the melodrama, what does he have left? Just like any zealot, his schtick is entirely based on false outrage and tyrades. The whole point is to illicit an emotional response in order to "rouse the rabble". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalrick Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 [quote name='Nati Ice' post='643239' date='Mar 13 2008, 11:42 PM']fixt[/quote] just like you used to be a pretty objectable source on this board until you started sucking obama's dick... don't think we didn't notice mccain went against the admin for 6 straight years, forced bush to change his defense minister, and somehow he has became a neo con in that time period... BULLSHIT!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vol_Bengal Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 [quote name='CTBengalsFan' post='643237' date='Mar 13 2008, 10:36 PM']Probably because they get paid handsome salaries by TV stations to do so. [/quote] Actors / actresses do??? Interesting... You pulled that line out of the paragraph in which I was speaking of actors / actresses need to voice their opinion... just like I wouldn't listen to an athlete's opinion any more. Oh, and just because a talking head gets paid to spout off doesn't make it gospel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xombie Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 [quote name='Nati Ice' post='643239' date='Mar 13 2008, 10:42 PM']fixt[/quote] Nati Ice, I would ask you to not edit my threads in the future; if you disagree with me, have the vertebrae to do it in a thought out, point-laden response and not trying to, literally, put words in my mouth. It is disrespectful to attempt to belittle my addition, and I would not sink to that level to contend with anyone else's viewpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nati Ice Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 [quote name='Xombie' post='643311' date='Mar 14 2008, 10:56 AM']Nati Ice, I would ask you to not edit my threads in the future; if you disagree with me, have the vertebrae to do it in a thought out, point-laden response and not trying to, literally, put words in my mouth. It is disrespectful to attempt to belittle my addition, and I would not sink to that level to contend with anyone else's viewpoint.[/quote] i have a sneaking suspicion this is the first forum youve encountered during your journeys along the intartubes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nati Ice Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 [quote name='bengalrick' post='643288' date='Mar 14 2008, 07:59 AM']just like you used to be a pretty objectable source on this board until you started sucking obama's dick... don't think we didn't notice [/quote]i would hope youd notice, hell, his face is my avatar! [quote name='bengalrick' post='643288' date='Mar 14 2008, 07:59 AM']mccain went against the admin for 6 straight years, forced bush to change his defense minister, and somehow he has became a neo con in that time period... BULLSHIT!!![/quote]you dont seem to equate embracing bushs failed and perverted foreign policy and domestic policing with the neo-con agenda, i do, its as simple as that. this years election is extremely simple, its a foreign policy and economic election and obamas platform is far and away whats best for america. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalrick Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 [quote name='Nati Ice' post='643332' date='Mar 14 2008, 12:19 PM']i would hope youd notice, hell, his face is my avatar! [b]you dont seem to equate embracing bushs failed and perverted foreign policy and domestic policing with the neo-con agenda, i do, its as simple as that.[/b] this years election is extremely simple, its a foreign policy and economic election and obamas platform is far and away whats best for america.[/quote] EMBRACING!!!! I hope you are purposely spreading that lie, and are not that dumb to really believe it... Bush's strategy was CHANGED and in large part to McCain... but that is one tiny spoke of the whole wheel of what i am talking about... he opposed the tax cuts based on not offsetting them w/ spending cuts; He was the leader of the gang of 14 that most conservatives and bush dispised, b/c they wanted to use the nuclear option, which would have screwed over the democrat minority (at the time) royally, though admittidly it could have backfired drastically; He led the push FOR BOTH PARTIES on reforming the torture bill... you say he gave into bush on this but you know that is BS... there was a compromise obviously, but that is how politics work and it is clear which side of the negotiations he was on, and it was opposite of bush; That is 3 major issues that spit in the face of bush, along w/ the fact that Rummie can blame mccain for being let go... and all three show that he is an independant thinker, and is willing to take risk for things he believes in... but yeah, your right... he is just bush's puppet... At least you admit you are an obama puppet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Lucid| Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 [quote name='bengalrick' post='643336' date='Mar 14 2008, 11:35 AM']EMBRACING!!!! I hope you are purposely spreading that lie, and are not that dumb to really believe it... Bush's strategy was CHANGED and in large part to McCain... but that is one tiny spoke of the whole wheel of what i am talking about... he opposed the tax cuts based on not offsetting them w/ spending cuts; He was the leader of the gang of 14 that most conservatives and bush dispised, b/c they wanted to use the nuclear option, which would have screwed over the democrat minority (at the time) royally, though admittidly it could have backfired drastically; He led the push FOR BOTH PARTIES on reforming the torture bill... you say he gave into bush on this but you know that is BS... there was a compromise obviously, but that is how politics work and it is clear which side of the negotiations he was on, and it was opposite of bush; That is 3 major issues that spit in the face of bush, along w/ the fact that Rummie can blame mccain for being let go... and all three show that he is an independant thinker, and is willing to take risk for things he believes in... but yeah, your right... he is just bush's puppet... At least you admit you are an obama puppet...[/quote] [img]http://www.benveldkamp.nl/foto/Bert-and-Ernie.gif[/img] Which one are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalrick Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 [img]http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/-/-/bush_teamamerica.jpg[/img] ^^^ At least get it right lucid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Lucid| Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 [quote name='bengalrick' post='643340' date='Mar 14 2008, 12:50 PM'][img]http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/-/-/bush_teamamerica.jpg[/img] ^^^ At least get it right lucid[/quote] Well played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalrick Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 [quote name='Lucid' post='643341' date='Mar 14 2008, 11:52 AM'] Well played.[/quote] i finally got to use that pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontPushMe Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 [quote name='Xombie' post='643157' date='Mar 13 2008, 04:00 PM']You have a fair to the middlin' chance of being quite wrong... Most far Right Wing Conservatives generally dislikes McCain be cause *gasp* he realizes the wisdom of compromise and find common ground with Democrats.[/quote] I know about that stuff, the whole limbaugh/ann coulter thing. At the end of the day though, they will all come crawling back to mccain. They wanted one of the extreemists and they got a regular neo-con. They are upset but theyll still vote for him. Billo is the same. And any thoughts that he supported obama in any way should of been gone when he spent the first 30 mins of his show ripping obama because of things his [b]retired[/b] pastor said years ago. Dont buy into his bullshit. He tries to act independent, but when was the last he ran a negative story about a republican? He loves throwing dirt on democrats but when its a conservative he either breezes over the story or ignores it complete. Or misstates the facts. Even if he doesnt come out and say negative things about the democrats, he knows what his fans will think when they see stories he runs. Its a tired format. Air a negative story (most of the time more like gossip, a lot of the time without real facts) insulting democrats, then he quickly says "Im not sure i believe this whole thing but here it is" and proceeds to bring on 2 people to rip the democrats for him. I hate that guy. I cant wait until hes to old to do this anymore. Hes really bad for this country. Does nothing but stirs up hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 [quote name='Bunghole' post='642973' date='Mar 12 2008, 10:33 PM']For one, you as a Hillary hater should rejoice at this rejoinder... For two, you act like Olbermann is any more objective than O'Rielly. There's certainly an agenda here. And hey, if Keith wants to rail against Billary, let him. We agree on few things, but we can both agree that [b]Billary is a horrible cunt.[/b][/quote] And you tell me there is no sexism involved with the way you feel about this woman? I am sorry but you should learn respect for women in general, the word cunt should not be in anyone's vocabulary it is a disgusting and vile word. Have some respect for people, if you don't like someone theres no need to slander them in that way and that goes for everyone. Sometimes I may be forceful but I wouldn't even stoop to a level of using language like that. When you can insult someone with intelligence it means a lot more than insulting them with ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Lucid| Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 [quote name='ScarletKnight' post='643345' date='Mar 14 2008, 12:31 PM']And you tell me there is no sexism involved with the way you feel about this woman? I am sorry but you should learn respect for women in general, the word cunt should not be in anyone's vocabulary it is a disgusting and vile word. Have some respect for people, if you don't like someone theres no need to slander them in that way and that goes for everyone. Sometimes I may be forceful but I wouldn't even stoop to a level of using language like that. When you can insult someone with intelligence it means a lot more than insulting them with ignorance.[/quote] I never saw the difference between calling somone a cunt and calling someone a cock... But all the women I know are offended by it so I don't use it. It's quite possible this word doesn't carry the same stigma to him as it does to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 [quote name='Lucid' post='643347' date='Mar 14 2008, 12:34 PM']I never saw the difference between calling somone a cunt and calling someone a cock... But all the women I know are offended by it so I don't use it. It's quite possible this word doesn't carry the same stigma to him as it does to you.[/quote] I don't use the word cock so I wouldn't know and there is a completely different stigma. If you call a man a cunt it means nothing if you call a man a bitch it means nothing but if you use those words toward a woman its a different story because they are two words that are used to degrade and make women feel as if they are not acting proper. If you call a man a pimp its cool a woman a whore shes nasty. These are just obvious examples. I really think if you start calling a presidential candidate a cunt it shows sexism very obviously. If you think she has horrible policy, a bad attitude thats a different story. You can argue with me all you want about whether or not thats true, but I'll stick to that story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBZ Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 [quote name='BengalBacker' post='643275' date='Mar 14 2008, 01:14 AM']I swear sometimes I feel like Alex Reiger from Taxi, or Bob Newhart.[/quote] Be careful...It's always the looniest of the lunatics that think they are the only sane ones. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Tigers Johnson| Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 [quote name='Vol_Bengal' post='643091' date='Mar 13 2008, 01:10 PM']Exactly... I'm supposed to take some talking head's opinion that went from recapping sporting events on ESPN and crossed over to the political scene... whatever.[/quote] The same line of thinking could be said of Bill Maher who went from B rate porn that was shown on USA up all night to HBO political analyst. Too bad he doesn't have "Scantily clad blonde haired jungle women" on his show now....it would be far more interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Lucid| Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 [quote name='ScarletKnight' post='643348' date='Mar 14 2008, 12:37 PM']I don't use the word cock so I wouldn't know and there is a completely different stigma. If you call a man a cunt it means nothing if you call a man a bitch it means nothing but if you use those words toward a woman its a different story because they are two words that are used to degrade and make women feel as if they are not acting proper. If you call a man a pimp its cool a woman a whore shes nasty. These are just obvious examples. I really think if you start calling a presidential candidate a cunt it shows sexism very obviously. If you think she has horrible policy, a bad attitude thats a different story. You can argue with me all you want about whether or not thats true, but I'll stick to that story.[/quote] To simply decide something carte blanche without the possibility of reconsideration is the strictest definition of ignorance. There are as many motivations and outlooks as there are fingerprints. To simply cast a wide net of judgement is not only unfair, but intellectually and spiritually stifling. Perhaps for some it is sexism (I;m sure more than some)... But to others the word may have far less baggage. Like I said.. I am aware of the way the words are veiwed by women.. Which is why, as I said, I don't use them. Perhaps an explanation of your position, and an attempt at education would get you farther than fiery words and scornfull looks. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBacker Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 [quote name='TheBZ' post='643349' date='Mar 14 2008, 01:39 PM']Be careful...It's always the looniest of the lunatics that think they are the only sane ones. BZ[/quote] Yeah, I worry about that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer_Rice Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 [quote name='BengalBacker' post='643275' date='Mar 14 2008, 01:14 AM'] I swear sometimes I feel like Alex Reiger from Taxi, or Bob Newhart.[/quote] Bob Newhart! Now there's a top comedian: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 [quote name='Lucid' post='643351' date='Mar 14 2008, 01:46 PM']To simply decide something carte blanche without the possibility of reconsideration is the strictest definition of ignorance. There are as many motivations and outlooks as there are fingerprints. To simply cast a wide net of judgement is not only unfair, but intellectually and spiritually stifling. Perhaps for some it is sexism (I;m sure more than some)... But to others the word may have far less baggage. Like I said.. I am aware of the way the words are veiwed by women.. Which is why, as I said, I don't use them. Perhaps an explanation of your position, and an attempt at education would get you farther than fiery words and scornfull looks. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.[/quote] And using the word cunt isn't a fiery use of words? It's hard to teach an old dog new tricks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Lucid| Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 [quote name='ScarletKnight' post='643355' date='Mar 14 2008, 12:54 PM'][b]And using the word cunt isn't a fiery use of words?[/b] It's hard to teach an old dog new tricks[/quote] Around here? no. Insulting labels and childish insults are pretty much the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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