Bengals1181 Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 [quote name='Squirrlnutz' post='713767' date='Oct 14 2008, 07:47 PM']I can't see how new terminology would hurt, you already said yourself that we can't even communicate with the terminology we know. Now is a good time to change things. We have the worst offense in the leauge, the drop off can't be so great that its not worth taking the chance on something new. A new guy whose maybe getting his first crack at O-coordinator and can use many of the concepts in place. [b] I just don't see Brat waking up next season and doing something radical. [/b] I'd rather the team take a whole fresh new look at the way they go about business.[/quote] I guess I'd just rather seem them try and perfect the communication with the terminology they've already been working on. As to the bolded, I'm not saying we keep Brat. IMO I think you can promote Zampese and keep the same system. Whether Zampese will be any better, I dunno, but I still think its the playcalling/gameplan, not the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Henrys Dealer Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 I'm on another board, where a somewhat connected person posts from time to time. He's been right on various draft picks, roster moves in the past. He had come out and said Tommy John surgery 2 weeks ago. I hope that's not the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsNYC Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 [quote name='Chris Henrys Dealer' post='713783' date='Oct 14 2008, 08:19 PM']I'm on another board, where a somewhat connected person posts from time to time. He's been right on various draft picks, roster moves in the past. He had come out and said Tommy John surgery 2 weeks ago. I hope that's not the case[/quote] If that's the case, he played the Dallas game w/ a tear in his elbow? That's just reckless. I have a hard time buying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 [quote name='Fulcher_33' post='713730' date='Oct 14 2008, 07:38 PM']So, if this is true and Carson is done for the season [b]what happens if, by the grace of God, Fitz steps up and we end up with 10-6 or 9-7 or something positive for this season?[/b] Does Carson come back next season and take the reigns over after Fitz saved the season? Serious question here. Stranger things have happened. We don't know what Fitz can do after getting all the snaps during practice and getting his timing down with our WR's. You can't expect a backup QB to step in without much practice time and win his first game or 2 straight out of the gate. MULLY No need for the "You're a fucking retard" posts. This question is no more retarded than any of the other hypothetical situations that come up in here.[/quote] :lmao::lmao: :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: Sorry. I know you were speaking hypothetically. I just couldn't help it. Carson is the starter. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Henrys Dealer Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 [quote name='BengalsNYC' post='713784' date='Oct 14 2008, 08:22 PM']If that's the case, he played the Dallas game w/ a tear in his elbow? That's just reckless. I have a hard time buying.[/quote] True. This person has been less than glowing describing the Bengals Medical team before. (given the history of mis-diagnosis, I can somewhat understand where he's coming from, see Chris Perry) But he had said Tommy John was a strong option, although other options were being considered. Not sure if he was hinting at the team not knowing how serious it was, after all, we have so much money tied up in him. But this guy is a pretty solid source, doesn't look for credit or anything. (it's not really even a football site) Posts once a little while, drops some nuggets and then disappears. I really hope it is not Tommy John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 [quote name='Bengals1181' post='713723' date='Oct 14 2008, 06:24 PM']First, let me say that I'm no big fan of Brat, but Dan does have a point. We don't need to be running a new system. That just wastes a year, unless your D is top 10, which it isn't right now. I do agree that a new set of eyes are needed, but much of the system needs to stay in place. It's the playcalling that needs changing, not the system.[/quote] System needs changing. Marvin said it last year about the clearing of old notebooks. If your not going embrace your coordinator's style then you need to find one that has a style you want. Marvin wants a more physical run first football team as far as I can tell. That's never been the Bengals Offense under Brat and you'll have a harder time trying to convert vs. finding a new guy that can push his methodology throughout the offense. For example: You always hear Bengals fans comment on getting Boomer to teach the playaction fake. True, that playaction fake was one of the best ever, but he didn't waltz into Cincy born to do it. It took years to perfect what you saw in 88 that started in 85. It took a constant emphasis from the coaching staff for each position group. IMO, either you embrace Brat's style or get someone that has the style you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 I still want to know why Jordan Palmer is considered "so far behind" Fitzpatrick. If the last two FitzKitna starts are any indication, I don't see how giving Jordan a look could be any worse. He's GOT to have a better arm than Fitz. He's got his big brother in his ear. Does he just not grasp the offense yet? I am serious. We are looking at losing most if not all the rest of our games this year if Fitz has to be the starter with Carson out. Why not put in Jordan and see what happens? Just for one game? If he tanks, he tanks, so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccartman2 Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 [quote name='Bunghole' post='713794' date='Oct 14 2008, 08:45 PM']I still want to know why Jordan Palmer is considered "so far behind" Fitzpatrick. If the last two FitzKitna starts are any indication, I don't see how giving Jordan a look could be any worse. He's GOT to have a better arm than Fitz. He's got his big brother in his ear. Does he just not grasp the offense yet? I am serious. We are looking at losing most if not all the rest of our games this year if Fitz has to be the starter with Carson out. Why not put in Jordan and see what happens? Just for one game? If he tanks, he tanks, so be it.[/quote] On the brightside, Doug Johnson is still available and I think Vinney is a free agent as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 [quote name='ccartman2' post='713800' date='Oct 14 2008, 09:09 PM']On the brightside, Doug Johnson is still available and I think Vinney is a free agent as well. [/quote] We need a major network to do a "Where Are They Now" special on former Bengals QB's. Akili, Blake, Scott Mitchell, Klingler.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Henrys Dealer Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 [quote name='Bunghole' post='713801' date='Oct 14 2008, 09:14 PM']We need a major network to do a "Where Are They Now" special on former Bengals QB's. Akili, Blake, Scott Mitchell, Klingler....[/quote] Klingler does real estate now I think? He was in the news while ago, he's doing alright. Mitchell I assume has money saved up from a long NFL career. Akili Smith flunked out of the CFL. He couldn't master a play book and failed miserably in a league which is tailor made for QB success. A league where receivers can get a 5 yard running start against stationary DB's, and with 40 foot deep endzones. Truly some of our finest work that man. I think I read he was going into real estate as well with the remainder of his signing bonus...figures that the human version of the titanic would enter a market just before it crashed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 [quote name='Chris Henrys Dealer' post='713803' date='Oct 14 2008, 09:19 PM']Klingler does real estate now I think? He was in the news while ago, he's doing alright. Mitchell I assume has money saved up from a long NFL career. Akili Smith flunked out of the CFL. He couldn't master a play book and failed miserably in a league which is tailor made for QB success. A league where receivers can get a 5 yard running start against stationary DB's, and with 40 foot deep endzones. Truly some of our finest work that man. I think I read he was going into real estate as well with the remainder of his signing bonus...[b]figures that the human version of the titanic would enter a market just before it crashed.[/b][/quote] Seriously, was there ever a worse draft pick (given the trade offer with Ditka) than Akili? He is the defenition of bust. Some of our other guys you could at least make a "had an incredible collegeiate career" argument for, like Warrick, Klingler, Reinard, Big Fatty, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Henrys Dealer Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 [quote name='Bunghole' post='713807' date='Oct 14 2008, 09:37 PM'] Seriously, was there ever a worse draft pick (given the trade offer with Ditka) than Akili? He is the defenition of bust. Some of our other guys you could at least make a "had an incredible collegeiate career" argument for, like Warrick, Klingler, Reinard, Big Fatty, etc.[/quote] Completely terrible. Actually mistake on Klinger. Might have become a pastor or something. [url="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6037511.html"]http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6037511.html[/url] [quote]For those of you who have asked, quarterback-turned-theologian David Klingler is still on board for University of Houston home football games on KBME (790 AM). Ted Pardee joins Tom Franklin for road trips. … We were unsuitably vague a few weeks ago on the nature of Matt Musil’s departure from Rice football radio broadcasts. He bowed out to focus on Dynamo broadcasts. …[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 [quote name='Chris Henrys Dealer' post='713810' date='Oct 14 2008, 09:49 PM']Completely terrible. Actually mistake on Klinger. Might have become a pastor or something. [url="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6037511.html"]http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6037511.html[/url][/quote] I honestly believe that Klingler could have been a decent NFL QB if he didn't have to play behind one of the most porous offensive lines I've ever seen. If you think our line is bad now....it is only "bad" because expectations are raised. That group of nobodies in 1993 until whenever was the worst group of unmotivated pieces of shit I've ever seen play oline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoutforlife591 Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 [quote name='CJ4MVP85' post='713637' date='Oct 14 2008, 04:40 PM']WOO HOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! 3-13!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote] I didn't say it was something to cheer about, but to post about us not winning a game is just stupid. That's hating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Henrys Dealer Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 [quote name='Bunghole' post='713813' date='Oct 14 2008, 10:01 PM']I honestly believe that Klingler could have been a decent NFL QB if he didn't have to play behind one of the most porous offensive lines I've ever seen. If you think our line is bad now....it is only "bad" because expectations are raised. That group of nobodies in 1993 until whenever was the worst group of unmotivated pieces of shit I've ever seen play oline.[/quote] MB until recently, didn't realize the importance of the OL I'm convinced. In addition to the point about Klingler above, remember the crap line we had KiJana running behind? Then Rod Jones as the starting LT era? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 [quote name='Chris Henrys Dealer' post='713815' date='Oct 14 2008, 10:09 PM']MB until recently, didn't realize the importance of the OL I'm convinced. In addition to the point about Klingler above, remember the crap line we had KiJana running behind? Then Rod Jones as the starting LT era?[/quote] I'm waxing nostalgic now, because there were some players I liked: Steve Tovar, Tom Tumulty, John Copeland, Alfred Williams, Eric Bienemy, Corey, Pickens, Scott, etc. How many careers have we wasted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAGICTOUCH Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 If Carson really is out, and Fitzpatrick is the QB...the Bengals MIGHT have a chance in maybe 3 games. 0-16 is not out of the realm of possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsNYC Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 [quote name='MAGICTOUCH' post='713824' date='Oct 14 2008, 10:43 PM']If Carson really is out, and Fitzpatrick is the QB...the Bengals MIGHT have a chance in maybe 3 games. 0-16 is not out of the realm of possibility.[/quote] Sadly, you're right. We'll be fighting uphill the rest of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoatGreen Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 [quote name='Chris Henrys Dealer' post='713803' date='Oct 14 2008, 09:19 PM']Akili Smith flunked out of the CFL. He couldn't master a play book and failed miserably in a league which is tailor made for QB success. A league where receivers can get a 5 yard running start against stationary DB's, and with 40 foot deep endzones. Truly some of our finest work that man. I think I read he was going into real estate as well with the remainder of his signing bonus...[b]figures that the human version of the titanic would enter a market just before it crashed.[/b][/quote] had to chuckle at this. He really does seem to be snakebit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoatGreen Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 [quote name='Bunghole' post='713813' date='Oct 14 2008, 10:01 PM']I honestly believe that Klingler could have been a decent NFL QB if he didn't have to play behind one of the most porous offensive lines I've ever seen.[/quote] Agreed. He just got his bell rung about 70 times too many. He went from Casseus Clay to Old Man Ali in like 3 years. Now he has found God. In between the migraines. I'll bet he has a Mike Brown doll with a lot of holes in it, I'll put it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengalmaniac Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 No official word = no thread,need the facts man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 [quote name='Chris Henrys Dealer' post='713815' date='Oct 14 2008, 10:09 PM']MB until recently, didn't realize the importance of the OL I'm convinced. In addition to the point about Klingler above, remember the crap line we had KiJana running behind? Then Rod Jones as the starting LT era?[/quote] He didn't realize how good he had it with his old OL coach. He'd pull Montoya out of the late rounds and some other good starters. Coach them up. Where as Alexander has many flops and only marginal success with guys that don't come out of the 1st 2 rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 [quote name='Chris Henrys Dealer' post='713803' date='Oct 14 2008, 10:19 PM']Klingler does real estate now I think? He was in the news while ago, he's doing alright. Mitchell I assume has money saved up from a long NFL career. [b]Akili Smith flunked out of the CFL[/b]. He couldn't master a play book and failed miserably in a league which is tailor made for QB success. A league where receivers can get a 5 yard running start against stationary DB's, and with 40 foot deep endzones. Truly some of our finest work that man. I think I read he was going into real estate as well with the remainder of his signing bonus...figures that the human version of the titanic would enter a market just before it crashed.[/quote] It's worse than that. He was benched in NFL Europe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 [quote][size=5][b]T.J. still here; Palmer options still open[/b][/size] By GEOFF HOBSON October 14, 2008 9:40 p.m. With Tuesday's trading deadline come and gone and Carson Palmer's status still in question, it looks like the Bengals aren't throwing in any towels at 0-6. Pro Bowl wide receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh may have drawn some inquiries, but the Bengals held on to one of their most reliable offensive threats even though he's unsigned after this season and there appears to be no live negotiations between the parties. There was no word on Palmer's journey through the medical backwaters, but he is scheduled to meet with the media Wednesday even though he's not starting Sunday against the Steelers. Palmer is expected to talk about his inflamed elbow and his meeting with Mets team doctor David Altchek on Monday as well as consultations with other medical people and head coach Marvin Lewis. But there may not be much definitive to come out of Wednesday's session after Altchek recommended more conservative treatment.[/quote] [url="http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=7182"]http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=7182[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randle P McMurphy Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 [b][/b][quote name='LoyalFanInGA v2.0' post='713656' date='Oct 14 2008, 04:21 PM']Just my opionion, but Dan has always struck me as one of the more intelligent and better informed posters around here. Better informed? Maybe. More intelligent? Highly debatable. Kinda like our own Go-Bengals.com Adam Schefter. Dan is Jewish? Since he lives so close to NYC and the specialist Palmer visited, maybe he knows somebody who knows somebody. If Dan says he got [i]confirmation[/i], I'm more than inclined to believe him. It's not like he has made outrageous claims before.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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