-Dan_Bengals_FL- Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 So Palmer is done for the season. I hinted towards it yesterday, got confirmation this morning. Although this sucks for many reasons, at least it can end the cycle of 8-8's and 7-9's, which can leave team's in mediocrity for many years. Instead, we can restock with high picks in every round (similar to what we did when we drafted Palmer) and build around an already primarily young core. If the same coaching staff remains in place (usually the mistake made with franchises in our situation is "blowing it all up") I really think we will see a complete turnaround next season and make a playoff run ... assuming Palmer is fully recovered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredtoast Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 The #1 overall pick is actually a nightmare. Whever it is will immediately become one of the highest paid players in the league. It is just too big of a risk to give any rookie the kind of moaney that the #1 guy gets. So if we do get the #1 late's all pray that some team will trade with us to get out of that slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrlnutz Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 :sadd: as if the season didn't suck enough already. Well...does anyone see any W's left on the schedule? Perhaps KC...perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrlnutz Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Also the same coaching staff should not stay in place. If they come back with Brat, the OL coach (Alexander?) and the DL coach (Hayes?) they're just not trying to get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Dan_Bengals_FL- Posted October 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 [quote name='Squirrlnutz' post='713556' date='Oct 14 2008, 02:16 PM']Also the same coaching staff should not stay in place. If they come back with Brat, the OL coach (Alexander?) and the DL coach (Hayes?) they're just not trying to get better.[/quote] Do you really want Palmer and his receivers attempting to learn a new system, while he is rehabbing? You thought the timing was off at the start of this season???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsNYC Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 [quote name='Dan_Bengals_NJ' post='713551' date='Oct 14 2008, 01:08 PM']So Palmer is done for the season. I hinted towards it yesterday, got confirmation this morning. Although this sucks for many reasons, at least it can end the cycle of 8-8's and 7-9's, which can leave team's in mediocrity for many years. Instead, we can restock with high picks in every round (similar to what we did when we drafted Palmer) and build around an already primarily young core. If the same coaching staff remains in place (usually the mistake made with franchises in our situation is "blowing it all up") I really think we will see a complete turnaround next season and make a playoff run ... assuming Palmer is fully recovered.[/quote] Dan, Is he hanging it up to get surgery? Or just to rehab to PREVENT surgery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Marvin has said that Jordan Palmer "isn't as far along" as Fitzpatrick when asked if we'd see him play. Can Jordan posibly be any worse than Fitzpatrick at this point? With the season truly lost, why don't we start getting some of our minor leaguers in there and just see what they can do in a real game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Is the injury something he can rehab for and be ready game 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColorChanginClique Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 he came back from a serious knee injury in January and was ready by week 1 I'd sure hope an elbow injury that hasn't been billed as THAT serious would keep him out part of NEXT season seems crazy and coaching wise, a new coaching staff might mean Zimmer being gone which would suck cause he's really made solid improvements in a very short time. If we can increase the actual talent and as younger guys get this year under there belt, he can really have this defense playing great in a year or 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAGICTOUCH Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 So, where's a real announcement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrlnutz Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 [quote name='Dan_Bengals_NJ' post='713558' date='Oct 14 2008, 02:19 PM']Do you really want Palmer and his receivers attempting to learn a new system, while he is rehabbing? You thought the timing was off at the start of this season????[/quote] Absolutley. The offense is stale, has been stale and will continue to be stale. Carson isn't going to work with CJ or TJ this offseason anyway. They need a change, a complete overhaul even at the cost of precious timing. A new set of eyes could completely alter the way Carson, CJ, Simpson or the OL entirely play the game and thats what they need. The team needs to stop grasping at the 2005 straws and stop trying to fit what has become a square block into the traingle hole. Carson needs help selling the PA fake, the OL needs new ideas on how to pick up the blitz (not to mention new personel), the WRs need new routes the whole thing needs to change. It would be nice if it came down to "hey once Carson gets healthy and can work with his WRs in the offseason and we get 2-3 new guys along the OL, and a new RB we MIGHT BE ABLE TO CAPTURE THAT 05 FORM...but thats the past, its time to move on, I can't believe anyone would want to just stick with "whats been working" nothing has been working. We can even throw the fucking ball 40 yards downfield. Every other team in the league can throw a 40 yard pass but for some reason on every single offensive snap we've played the other team has deep saftey coverage? Where the fuck is the open TE in the middle? Where is CJ lining up in the slot and getting to the post. This offense is a joke and has been a joke for well over a year and half. New eyes are a must, if we are going to get anything else out of Carson Palmer before we've wasted his career entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 [quote name='Dan_Bengals_NJ' post='713551' date='Oct 14 2008, 02:08 PM']So Palmer is done for the season. I hinted towards it yesterday, got confirmation this morning. Although this sucks for many reasons, at least it can end the cycle of 8-8's and 7-9's, which can leave team's in mediocrity for many years. Instead, we can restock with high picks in every round (similar to what we did when we drafted Palmer) and build around an already primarily young core. If the same coaching staff remains in place (usually the mistake made with franchises in our situation is "blowing it all up") I really think we will see a complete turnaround next season and make a playoff run ... assuming Palmer is fully recovered.[/quote] Sounds like its the Tommy John route and that makes me really, really nervous. But we all saw how strong and fast he came back from his last surgery so hopefully that will translate. And i also have a feeling there will be a change of scenery in the coaching department. I'm assuming Brat might be gone and Alexander may well be going with him. I just feel that way since we haven't been doing well on the offensive side of the ball since the explosive 2005 season. And i hope we do our homework on our pick. I would hope a few more scouts would come in to help, but i don't know if that would help since the college season is close to mid-point. Either way i hope we can get a couple quality guys. Edit: I saw in the other thread he is likely to avoid Tommy John. Cool. Hopefully that elbow is good to go next year. It's worth 118 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgwilly31 Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 i just looked at the schedue again. And with this news i seriously think were an 0-16 team. I dont think we will win AT houston. I dont think we beat baltimore. i dont think we beat Browns. I think were 0-15 going coming back to cincy to finish the season VS KC. And that will be a coin toss. Fucking pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigfox09 Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 [quote name='Squirrlnutz' post='713605' date='Oct 14 2008, 02:59 PM']Absolutley. The offense is stale, has been stale and will continue to be stale. Carson isn't going to work with CJ or TJ this offseason anyway. They need a change, a complete overhaul even at the cost of precious timing. A new set of eyes could completely alter the way Carson, CJ, Simpson or the OL entirely play the game and thats what they need. The team needs to stop grasping at the 2005 straws and stop trying to fit what has become a square block into the traingle hole. Carson needs help selling the PA fake, the OL needs new ideas on how to pick up the blitz (not to mention new personel), the WRs need new routes the whole thing needs to change. It would be nice if it came down to "hey once Carson gets healthy and can work with his WRs in the offseason and we get 2-3 new guys along the OL, and a new RB we MIGHT BE ABLE TO CAPTURE THAT 05 FORM...but thats the past, its time to move on, I can't believe anyone would want to just stick with "whats been working" nothing has been working. We can even throw the fucking ball 40 yards downfield. Every other team in the league can throw a 40 yard pass but for some reason on every single offensive snap we've played the other team has deep saftey coverage? Where the fuck is the open TE in the middle? Where is CJ lining up in the slot and getting to the post. This offense is a joke and has been a joke for well over a year and half. New eyes are a must, if we are going to get anything else out of Carson Palmer before we've wasted his career entirely.[/quote] Sad but true...I saw Cleveland move Edwards around a lot last night putting him in a position to have favorable match-ups. I can honestly say I dont see us do that with TJ or CJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who Dey Forever Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 [quote name='bgwilly31' post='713611' date='Oct 14 2008, 04:05 PM']i just looked at the schedue again. And with this news i seriously think were an 0-16 team. I dont think we will win AT houston. I dont think we beat baltimore. i dont think we beat Browns. I think were 0-15 going coming back to cincy to finish the season VS KC. And that will be a coin toss. Fucking pathetic.[/quote] Yup. This team has so much talent and yet they can't play like a team and the ownership doesn't know how to control it. It's more than pathetic. T.J. will be gone unfortunately and probably so will Chad. Great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 [quote name='Squirrlnutz' post='713605' date='Oct 14 2008, 02:59 PM']Absolutley. The offense is stale, has been stale and will continue to be stale. Carson isn't going to work with CJ or TJ this offseason anyway. They need a change, a complete overhaul even at the cost of precious timing. A new set of eyes could completely alter the way Carson, CJ, Simpson or the OL entirely play the game and thats what they need. The team needs to stop grasping at the 2005 straws and stop trying to fit what has become a square block into the traingle hole. Carson needs help selling the PA fake, the OL needs new ideas on how to pick up the blitz (not to mention new personel), the WRs need new routes the whole thing needs to change. It would be nice if it came down to "hey once Carson gets healthy and can work with his WRs in the offseason and we get 2-3 new guys along the OL, and a new RB we MIGHT BE ABLE TO CAPTURE THAT 05 FORM...but thats the past, its time to move on, I can't believe anyone would want to just stick with "whats been working" nothing has been working. We can even throw the fucking ball 40 yards downfield. Every other team in the league can throw a 40 yard pass but for some reason on every single offensive snap we've played the other team has deep saftey coverage? Where the fuck is the open TE in the middle? Where is CJ lining up in the slot and getting to the post. This offense is a joke and has been a joke for well over a year and half. New eyes are a must, if we are going to get anything else out of Carson Palmer before we've wasted his career entirely.[/quote] Agreed. Brat was brought in to bring in a Spread offense and get away with typical insider WCO that had been here forever. Marvin has said he wants a more physical team. It's clear that plan is not lining up to the way this team was built. Fresh start on offense and start getting an offensive guy that matches what his head coach truly wants. Then let that offensive mindset trickel down to how you build your roster, prepare offseason, gameplan, practice, then play call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsOwn Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 [quote]The team needs to stop grasping at the 2005 straws and stop trying to fit what has become a square block into the traingle hole. Carson needs help selling the PA fake, the OL needs new ideas on how to pick up the blitz (not to mention new personel), the WRs need new routes the whole thing needs to change.[/quote] Brilliant. Agree 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoutforlife591 Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Shut the fuck up, really. No wins. What the fuck is your problem? We have hung in almost every game. A couple will break our way. Pathetic. Sure, they're no good, but they're not historically awful. This is an bad "team" but they can win a few football games. They get looked over once, there'll be the KC game, and there'll probably be a playoff related stater's bye week late in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who Dey Forever Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 [quote name='Scoutforlife591' post='713636' date='Oct 14 2008, 04:38 PM']Shut the fuck up, really. No wins. What the fuck is your problem? We have hung in almost every game. A couple will break our way. Pathetic. Sure, they're no good, but they're not historically awful. This is an bad "team" but they can win a few football games. [b]They get looked over once, there'll be the KC game, and there'll probably be a playoff related stater's bye week late in the season.[/b][/quote] WOO HOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! 3-13!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonBlade Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 And again, anyone got a source for this other than Dan? Not saying I don't believe him, but I need a more credible source than a board poster before I prepare myself for all Fitz, all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccartman2 Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Man, the guy running the pro football talk site is so excited he's crashed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 [quote name='VonBlade' post='713638' date='Oct 14 2008, 03:40 PM']And again, anyone got a source for this other than Dan? Not saying I don't believe him, but I need a more credible source than a board poster [b]before I prepare myself for all Fitz, all the time[/b].[/quote] If you figure out a way to do that, please let me know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTBengalsFan Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 So is this the Tommy John surgery that's been rumored? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esjbh2 Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 [quote name='fredtoast' post='713553' date='Oct 14 2008, 02:13 PM']The #1 overall pick is actually a nightmare. Whever it is will immediately become one of the highest paid players in the league. It is just too big of a risk to give any rookie the kind of moaney that the #1 guy gets. So if we do get the #1 late's all pray that some team will trade with us to get out of that slot.[/quote] I agree that you really don't want the number 1 pick, or even the top 3 picks for that matter due to the money involved at those levels. However, there is no way we end up with the #1 pick. I still see us with more wins that a few other teams at least. That of course assumes that the team doesn't just mentally pack it in for the year. This will definitely be a test of the teams character, but I say they play competitively the rest of the year and pick up a few wins along the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoyalFanInGA v2.0 Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 [quote name='MAGICTOUCH' post='713602' date='Oct 14 2008, 02:56 PM']So, where's a real announcement?[/quote] Just my opionion, but Dan has always struck me as one of the more intelligent and better informed posters around here. Kinda like our own Go-Bengals.com Adam Schefter. Since he lives so close to NYC and the specialist Palmer visited, maybe he knows somebody who knows somebody. If Dan says he got [i]confirmation[/i], I'm more than inclined to believe him. It's not like he has made outrageous claims before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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