If I were President...

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Kool Keith' date='Jun 3 2005, 12:38 AM']Man, after reading this thread, I may have to start taking my CCW into PBS because of some of you wackos!!!

J/K!!!

In all seriousness, I think I'd stick with Jason in this election.  Is there really that big of a push in the rest of you to legalize pot and other drugs?  I've never done any illegal drugs of any kind, but I've been around plenty of people who have, and it never really appealed to me. . Oh well, different strokes. 

Jason, I've got a pretty face - do you wanne be the vice, and I'll be the man in front?  Let's see if the Go-Bengals guys will put some Paypal donations together for the 08' primaries!

Keith
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I didn't push for it, in the short term it may bring a inflow of cash, but in the long term it would cause lawsuits and increase the cost of healthcare, and you would have more ambulance chasers trying to rape the system, its not a realistic solution.

[-Dan_Bengals_FL-]

[quote name='#22' date='Jun 2 2005, 06:16 PM']I want to be that mad looking motherfucker inbetween the gay guy and the girl who hasn't had any to drink yet.

Oh, and if I were president, I would make Church property taxable and subject to paying heat/gas/electric (which, suprisingly, they aren't required to do).
I would also pay off the national debt in 10 years by subsidizing ALL telephone companies and making them Government property.
I would also return farms into the hands of the farmers, and break up consolidated Agro-Industries. Obviously, I would legalize Hemp, increase taxes on casinos, and make education (e.g. the LONG TERM) my main priority.

I would also make it illegal for mortage companies to increase rates in poor communities, but require everyone on my newly expanded welfare system to report to a gov't agency once every six months for a physical and job distributions (there will be plenty of new jobs created by the Gov't for things like weapons manufacturing and conservation acts, things currently being done by private groups).

State controlled limits on insurance levels, including a tripling on mandatory insurancing for vehicles that got less than 25 Miles Per Gallon.

I would severely tighten legislation to protect the environment and prevent harm done to the Earth by Companies , and I would also quadruple tariffs on goods imported by foreign companies that did not follow similar laws, to prevent national industries from leaving.

Any Senators, Legislators, or Politicians on a Federal level who were found to be receiving money/benefits  from outside groups would have to forfeit that money immediately or be subject to an investigation.

I would split Alaska into two, and let the Hawai'i go out on its own, but with the stipulation that it had to operate as a sovereign nation, and not as Japanese or Australian property.

I would also maintain an alliance with Israel, but would stop sending them inordinate amounts of money and supplies. I would create a bargaining group for Middle East Peace that did NOT revolve around oil.

I would push and pass the Equal Rights Ammendment, or a modified version thereof.
I would also create the Kingfish Center for Progressive and Creative Thought (KCPACT), a Gov't body designed to take money from BJ's taxes on the wealthy and put it into revitalizing our highways, bridges, and public care centers (ending toll roads forever, for example)
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You have a lot of good points. Just wondering, why would you split Alaska into two?

[Jason]

[quote name='Kool Keith' date='Jun 3 2005, 12:38 AM']Man, after reading this thread, I may have to start taking my CCW into PBS because of some of you wackos!!!

J/K!!!

In all seriousness, I think I'd stick with Jason in this election.  Is there really that big of a push in the rest of you to legalize pot and other drugs?  I've never done any illegal drugs of any kind, but I've been around plenty of people who have, and it never really appealed to me. . Oh well, different strokes. 

Jason, I've got a pretty face - do you wanne be the vice, and I'll be the man in front?  Let's see if the Go-Bengals guys will put some Paypal donations together for the 08' primaries!

Keith
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Thanks Keith. But if you wanna be on the same ticket as me, you gotta be VP.

[|Bunghole|]

[quote name='Kool Keith' date='Jun 2 2005, 10:38 PM']Man, after reading this thread, I may have to start taking my CCW into PBS because of some of you wackos!!!

J/K!!!

In all seriousness, I think I'd stick with Jason in this election.  Is there really that big of a push in the rest of you to legalize pot and other drugs?  I've never done any illegal drugs of any kind, but I've been around plenty of people who have, and it never really appealed to me. . Oh well, different strokes. 

Jason, I've got a pretty face - do you wanne be the vice, and I'll be the man in front?  Let's see if the Go-Bengals guys will put some Paypal donations together for the 08' primaries!

Keith
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I don't smoke weed (anymore) but I would push for legalization for two reasons:
A: Generate a huge tax revenue windfall, which in turn could save taxpayers some $$$, and
B: Help clear space in prisons for those that really deserve it, which in turn could save taxpayers some $$$ as well...

[Jason]

[quote name='Bunghole' date='Jun 3 2005, 08:04 AM']I don't smoke weed (anymore) but I would push for legalization for two reasons:
A:  Generate a huge tax revenue windfall, which in turn could save taxpayers some $$$, and
B:  Help clear space in prisons for those that really deserve it, which in turn could save taxpayers some $$$ as well...
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Good. All that extre tax revenue can go to the cost of paying for the societal effects of one more intoxicating substance.

[Guest Bengal_Smoov]

[quote name='Jason' date='Jun 3 2005, 08:04 AM']Good.  All that extre tax revenue can go to the cost of paying for the societal effects of one more intoxicating substance.
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Do you think that if drugs were legal more people would use them, nowadays if you want to use drugs you will find a way, when there's a will there's a way....I don't think there are too many people who don't use drugs because they are "illegal", if you've made up your mind to use a drug that's illegal then you don't care if it's legal or not.

Legalization would make sense because then the government could control it and tax it, also like many said it would free up alot room prisons for the real criminals, most people who get arrested for selling illegal drugs are only trying to make a fast buck, that's not a reason for someone to spend years in prison, imo..


Legalize It!!!!

[Jason]

[quote name='Bengal_Smoov' date='Jun 3 2005, 10:05 AM'][b]Do you think that if drugs were legal more people would use them(?)[/b], nowadays if you want to use drugs you will find a way, when there's a will there's a way....I don't think there are too many people who don't use drugs because they are "illegal", if you've made up your mind to use a drug that's illegal then you don't care if it's legal or not. 

Legalization would make sense because then the government could control it  and tax it, also like many said it would free up alot room prisons for the real criminals, most people who get arrested for selling illegal drugs are only trying to make a fast buck, that's not a reason for someone to spend years in prison, imo..
Legalize It!!!!
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Absolutely. I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who don't use drugs because they are illegal. And I'm also sure that many, if not most of those who use it now anyway would use it more.

[Beaker]

If drugs were legalized there would be no more people using them than use them now. You may see an initial spike upwards directly after legalization, but it would then settle to its present level. People who habitually use drugs, alcohol or tobacco have an addictive personality. There will always be a certain percentage of the population with an addictive personality.

If drugs were legalized you apply the same rules to them that apply to alcohol...minors cant buy, you cant go to work or drive under the influence, etc. What someone wants to put into their own body is their own choice...and problem.

There would not be more crime. The reason crime is connected with drugs now is because theyre illegal. That forces them to be artificially high priced due to the risk involved in obtaining, possessing and selling them. You dont see people robbing banks to pay for a beer habit. If they were legalized you could sell them like beer and alcohol, in controlled stores. You could also tax them. That brings down the price and takes away alot of the crime incentive. Everytime you think of a reason not to legalize them, think of how the rules to alcohol selling and consumtion apply and thats how it would work with drugs.

It makes alot of sense to legalize, but people are so against it because drugs have been made out to be so evil. They are no more so than alcohol or tobacco.

[Guest bengalrick]

[quote name='Jason' date='Jun 3 2005, 08:04 AM']Good.  All that extre tax revenue can go to the cost of paying for the societal effects of one more intoxicating substance.
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weed isn't even in the same league as cigerettes and alcohol, when it comes to health reasons... now if your talking about motivation...

[Jason]

[quote name='Beaker' date='Jun 3 2005, 10:27 AM']If drugs were legalized there would be no more people using them than use them now. You may see an initial spike upwards directly after legalization, but it would then settle to its present level. People who habitually use drugs, alcohol or tobacco have an addictive personality. There will always be a certain percentage of the population with an addictive personality.

If drugs were legalized you apply the same rules to them that apply to alcohol...minors cant buy, you cant go to work or drive under the influence, etc. What someone wants to put into their own body is their own choice...and problem.

[b]There would not be more crime. The reason crime is connected with drugs now is because theyre illegal. That forces them to be artificially high priced due to the risk involved in obtaining, possessing and selling them.[/b] You dont see people robbing banks to pay for a beer habit. If they were legalized you could sell them like beer and alcohol, in controlled stores. You could also tax them. That brings down the price and takes away alot of the crime incentive. Everytime you think of a reason not to legalize them, think of how the rules to alcohol selling and consumtion apply and thats how it would work with drugs.

It makes alot of sense to legalize, but people are so against it because drugs have been made out to be so evil. They are no more so than alcohol or tobacco.
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So, you think the people who sell it on the strets now, and make BIG $$$ will just stop? Would it be legal for street vendors to sell once the drugs are legal? You don't think they would do whatever they needed to keep that income? Drug crime will not go away just because drugs are legalized.

Are you talking pot, other, or all drugs?

[Beaker]

Im talking all drugs. And if its sold at state mandated lower prices in controlled stores it will not be profitable to be sold on the street. You dont see streetcorner beer and alcohol dealers (people not stores) do you? The crime caused by the high prices would go away.

[Guest bengalrick]

[quote name='Jason' date='Jun 3 2005, 09:38 AM']So, you think the people who sell it on the strets now, and make BIG $$$ will just stop?  Would it be legal for street vendors to sell once the drugs are legal?  You don't think they would do whatever they needed to keep that income?  Drug crime will not go away just because drugs are legalized.

Are you talking pot, other, or all drugs?
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they wouldn't be able to make much money, if the gov't regulated and taxed it... the gov't could cut the prices of the drug by at least half, and still be banking...

btw, i would NEVER support legalizing drugs like cocaine, heroin and drugs like that though... only weed...

[Chris Henrys Dealer]

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[BengalsCat]

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[Jason]

[quote name='Beaker' date='Jun 3 2005, 10:46 AM']Im talking all drugs. And if its sold at state mandated lower prices in controlled stores it will not be profitable to be sold on the street. You dont see streetcorner beer and alcohol dealers (people not stores) do you? The crime caused by the high prices would go away.
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Including extacy? LSD? Heroine? Crack? Cocaine?

You know some of those drugs are instantly addictive, and/or can [b]KILL[/b] with 1 use?

[Jason]

[quote name='bengalrick' date='Jun 3 2005, 11:02 AM']they wouldn't be able to make much money, if the gov't regulated and taxed it... the gov't could cut the prices of the drug by at least half, and still be banking...

btw, i would NEVER support legalizing drugs like cocaine, heroin and drugs like that though... only weed...
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So would it be government farms that grow it, or, like tobacco, could any farmer grow it? How will you prevent the farmers from selling to anyone?

[BengalBeotch]

If I were President....


[b][color="red"]I'D PUSH THE PRETTY RED BUTTON
AND WATCH THE FIREWORKS DISPLAY[/color][/b]



all kidding aside....

1) My first priority would be to change the school systems...children
are our future and they are graduating from school "ignorant"....
I would make all schools public and equal but they would be run like a private school..
all children would wear uniforms (the focus is LEARNING, not Lawanda's breasts)
saves money and takes away from distractions....
all electronic devices would be banned from the classroom, all cellphones, video games, etc
would need to be placed in their locker until school is out.
all children would be required to pass a years end test to move on to the next grade, children
who don't pass will be required to school 1 day a week and given opportunities to re-test thru-out the summer until they PASS.
ALL CHILDREN WILL RECITE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGENCE!!!!!!!!! following the pledge,
there will be a 5 minute moment of silence for those who wish to pray.
There will be a mandatory 1 hour physical education class to keep kids active
and in shape.

2) I would re-work the welfare system...to receive welfare you would be required to
sign up for my work program...I would make and agreement with local businesses
to employ these people...the businesses who participate would receive a small tax
cut incentive...they would report the hours worked and that would govern
the amount of money the welfare recipients received...I would impose small bonuses
for a 40 hour week....there is some type of work for everyone, even
people that can't work physically and people who are mentally challenged...
you will work for they money!

3) I would also develope a work program for non-violent offenders instead of jail time....
people who commit fraud, or money crimes would be placed in a work program...they
would be supervised as they clean up our park systems, bathrooms, trash, landscaping
work...this could also work in some instances for some drug related offenders depending
on the severity of the crime.

4) I would legalize marijuana and put a tax on it...I would put the same restrictions on
it as alcohol....there would be a test developed just as the breathalizer for people
driving under the influence, etc....

there are other problems that are far more important like health insurance, taxes but
these are just a few things I would try to get done...

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[Guest bengalrick]

[quote name='Jason' date='Jun 3 2005, 10:29 AM']So would it be government farms that grow it, or, like tobacco, could any farmer grow it?  How will you prevent the farmers from selling to anyone?
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thats the main problem... it is a "weed" so it can be grown just about anywhere... i'd say that we would have to do a couple of things
1. very good quality
2. not too high of prices (taxes)
3. give huge benefits to the farmers that do grow it, and sell it to the gov't...

i'm not sure about my 3rd reason, and not sure how we could get rid of people selling it on their own... but anything is better than juan in mexico making all the money... we are lossing money on 1. taxing it 2. enforcing it 3. punishing those that do it... there is alot of money being thrown at a problem that isn't hurting anyone but themselves... we could use that money for the poor, you know or child molestors, which ever is more important...

[Guest bengalrick]

2) I would re-work the welfare system...to receive welfare you would be required to
sign up for my work program...I would make and agreement with local businesses
to employ these people...the businesses who participate would receive a small tax
cut incentive...they would report the hours worked and that would govern
the amount of money the welfare recipients received...I would impose small bonuses
for a 40 hour week....there is some type of work for everyone, even
people that can't work physically and people who are mentally challenged...
you will work for they money! - bengalbeotch

we need to change the system, for sure... how about having the states employ them, and making them work on cleaning the roads, like the convicts do now... they wouldn't have to wear the orange jump suits, but they would absolutely have to work for that check... i have a feeling, they would get a job alittle quicker, if they actually have to do work to get the check... this is an addition to your idea, not a substitute... we should have an agreement (like you said) w/ local business's for the elderly or disabled, to find jobs like sorting mail or other boring, low paying jobs...

[Beaker]

[quote name='Jason' date='Jun 3 2005, 03:25 PM']Including extacy?  LSD? Heroine?  Crack? Cocaine?

You know some of those drugs are instantly addictive, and/or can [b]KILL[/b] with 1 use?
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All drugs. Nothing is instantly addictive. The people that die from it dont usually die on their first use. Its usually after they have done a large amount and it causes cardiac arrest. But that said, there's somewhat of a Darwinian result to that in weeding the stupid out of the gene pool.

[Homer_Rice]

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[Jason]

[quote name='Beaker' date='Jun 3 2005, 11:50 AM']All drugs. [b]Nothing is instantly addictive[/b]. The people that die from it dont [b]usually[/b] die on their first use. Its usually after they have done a large amount and it causes cardiac arrest. But that said, there's somewhat of a Darwinian result to that in weeding the stupid out of the gene pool.
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Not true. Look it up.


Usually???? How often is too often???

[-Dan_Bengals_FL-]

[quote name='Beaker' date='Jun 3 2005, 11:50 AM']But that said, there's somewhat of a Darwinian result to that in weeding the stupid out of the gene pool.
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Hahahaha

I like that part.

However, in my assessment, I thought we could legalize weed, but be tougher on other substances. Since I would tighten border control, it would be easier to stop the trade of other drugs.

[jza10304]

[quote name='Dan_Bengals_NJ' date='Jun 3 2005, 11:37 AM']Hahahaha

I like that part.

However, in my assessment, I thought we could legalize weed, but be tougher on other substances. Since I would tighten border control, it would be easier to stop the trade of other drugs.
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It'll just make it more expensive and thus more profitable. The border patrol guy men making $10 an hour will look the other way when they get a $10,000.00 handshake.

[Beaker]

You cant legalize some and get the result...has to be all or nothing. Otherwise what isnt legalized just skyrockets even more and the crime continues.