Scoutforlife591 Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Well that's great...if they're WEP, and if you're only trying to mooch some free internet. That's one layer. That doesn't give you unfettered access to their interwebz. You know this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Lucid| Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 [quote name='Scoutforlife591' timestamp='1340067498' post='1135829'] Well that's great...if they're WEP, and if you're only trying to mooch some free internet. That's one layer. That doesn't give you unfettered access to their interwebz. You know this. [/quote] And as T-Dub eluded to, I am sure the data will be encrypted before it's then encrypted again with wireless encryption. At least I hope.. Of course, nothing is ever totally secure, especially when you are talking governments and corporations, but you can raise the level of sophistication and resources required to be employed by the interlopers. Again, the security of this new method is compared to ring bound notebooks.. So the standard isn't exactly high as is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 [quote name='Vol_Bengal' timestamp='1340026392' post='1135769'] They wouldn't be able to remotely deliver the content if the wifi and 3g are both turned off... I'm no Mac expert but it seems you could easily make all of these part of the same cloud and deliver the contect in one shot to all the devices pretty easily. At least, that is how I have all our iPod / iPad / iPhone devices set up at home now... I guess this story covers the Bengals as a whole going the tablet route... because I distinctly remember a story about David Pollack having either an original version tablet or a laptop that he would get video cut ups and take home with him. I'd assumed then that it was standard... maybe it was just his way to do it. [/quote] As I understand it this is just the playbook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Lucid| Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 [quote name='Jamie_B' timestamp='1340068089' post='1135833'] As I understand it this is just the playbook. [/quote] They seemed to be talking about the whole enchilada to me.. Film cutups, game plans, playbook.. Marvin even noted the user friendly interface of taking notes while watching film on the device, and how they would be able to get the game plans out to players a day earlier than the printed method they were using before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrlnutz Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 [quote name='Lucid' timestamp='1340068273' post='1135835'] They seemed to be talking about the whole enchilada to me.. Film cutups, game plans, playbook.. Marvin even noted the user friendly interface of taking notes while watching film on the device, and how they would be able to get the game plans out to players a day earlier than the printed method they were using before. [/quote] On a "watching film" note, I read that Coaches all 22 game film will be available through nfl.com this year...for a price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 [quote name='Lucid' timestamp='1340068273' post='1135835'] They seemed to be talking about the whole enchilada to me.. Film cutups, game plans, playbook.. Marvin even noted the user friendly interface of taking notes while watching film on the device, and how they would be able to get the game plans out to players a day earlier than the printed method they were using before. [/quote] Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Lucid| Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 [quote name='Squirrlnutz' timestamp='1340073345' post='1135846'] On a "watching film" note, I read that Coaches all 22 game film will be available through nfl.com this year...for a price. [/quote] I heard about that the other night.. Sounds pretty sweet. I wonder how much that will run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcat Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 [quote name='Lucid' timestamp='1340076654' post='1135850'] I heard about that the other night.. Sounds pretty sweet. I wonder how much that will run? [/quote] It is just part of the standard 'view the games' package, whatever they call it. It is not an extra above that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyrid Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 [quote name='Oldcat' timestamp='1340085873' post='1135853'] It is just part of the standard 'view the games' package, whatever they call it. It is not an extra above that. [/quote] Actually the normal Game Rewind is $40 and the special package with the All 22 footage is $70 for the year. The $40 package only has a few plays of the "All 22" available. The other nice thing about the $70 package (Season Plus) is that you have access to it through July of 2013 whereas the normal $40 package only allows you to have access until the end of the regular season in January (which also doesn't give you access to the playoff games). If you're thinking about getting it, its almost definitely worth it to shell out the extra $30 in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 [quote name='Lucid' timestamp='1340076654' post='1135850'] I heard about that the other night.. Sounds pretty sweet. I wonder how much that will run? [/quote] $70 for the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#22 Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 [quote name='scharm' timestamp='1339845372' post='1135598'] Jim Lippencott was replaced by an iPad. [/quote] You mean a FUPad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 [quote name='Lucid' timestamp='1340068273' post='1135835'] They seemed to be talking about the whole enchilada to me.. Film cutups, game plans, playbook.. Marvin even noted the user friendly interface of taking notes while watching film on the device, and how they would be able to get the game plans out to players a day earlier than the printed method they were using before. [/quote] Either way I'm not sure why the wireless options are needed, I guess I'd have to see what exactly the application is to know if it needs to transmit data wirelessly or not. Somehow I doubt it needs to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Numbers| Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 [img]http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/southpark_humancentipad-580x360.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 [quote name='Jamie_B' timestamp='1340225071' post='1136079'] Either way I'm not sure why the wireless options are needed, I guess I'd have to see what exactly the application is to know if it needs to transmit data wirelessly or not. Somehow I doubt it needs to. [/quote] It's kind of the point of having it. So they can get the info out quick and not make players wait at the stadium for it, or worse, the next day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 this was posted in another thread but seems to have valuable info being overlooked in this thread. [quote][b]Bengals pad practice before break[/b] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Posted 12 hours ago[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Geoff Hobson Editor Bengals.com [/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]The Bengals bolted as if a rattlesnake had been let loose in their locker room Thursday, but as they broke for their six-week summer vacation the coaches had plenty from their 12 days on the field this spring to load into their players' new iPad playbooks.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]By the time the players return to Paul Brown Stadium for training camp on July 27, the coaches and support staff will have pushed enough video into their network that feeds the playbooks to match 300 Netflix movies in a day.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Paul Brown, who invented everything from the Bengals to the draw play, also came up with the playbook and last week the Bengals became one of about 12 NFL teams to take his innovation to the next level with the iPad. On Thursday Geoff Smith, a retired P&G IT executive who has been consulting with the Bengals for six years, unveiled the team's move to padding their playbook in a project the club says it has committed "hundreds of thousands of dollars."[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]"It is dramatically going to change the time they spend during the week getting the playbooks published," Smith said of the coaches. "Instead of printing the playbook and collating it into (80) notebooks on a Tuesday night, you can push a button and give it to the players. Andy (Dalton) can be looking at a play Tuesday night or installs instead of 12-14 hours later on Wednesday.”[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Marvin Lewis, who began his tenure as Bengals head coach nine years ago in the age game plans were faxed to quarterbacks on Tuesday nights before the week of prep began Wednesdays, not only has a different tool now. But the team he'll review on his iPad for the next 42 days is as different as any he's had as he prepares for the Aug. 10 preseason opener at Paul Brown Stadium against the Jets.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]"We’re a bigger football team. I believe we’re a faster football team," Lewis said after Thursday's practice ended the mandatory minicamp. "The depth and development of our young guys has been impressive. That’s what will make it a competitive camp. It will make it competitive for the preseason and playing these games.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]"That’s where guys will win or lose jobs, in playing these preseason games," he said. "That’s the exciting thing, is when we get out there against the Jets and open things up in the preseason, we’ll have a lot of guys playing for keeps."[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]True to his defensive nature, Lewis talked up the young safeties that are vying for the starting spot opposite Reggie Nelson. He acknowledged that the young corps of receivers has impressed, but he also pointed out that third-year cornerback Brandon Ghee has also emerged in his duels against the likes of Armon Binns, Brandon Tate, and Ryan Whalen.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]"There’s been obviously a lot of talk about Binns and Tate, you know, Whalen, what they’re doing," Lewis said. "But I think the defensive side, what Brandon Ghee has done, (safeties) Taylor Mays, Robert Sands, Jeromy Miles, that group, they’re coming in where we left open holes for guys to emerge and earn an opportunity to play. I’ve been pleased with what they’re doing."[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]For example, Sands, the 2011 fifth-rounder from West Virginia who played just one game last season, had some tough moments in coverage and some nice ones. On Wednesday he appeared to let receivers get behind him a few times, but on Thursday he picked off a ball headed for tight end Jermaine Gresham over the middle for an interception of quarterback Andy Dalton.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]And the 6-3, 230-pound Mays has been flying around in coverage while special teams ace Jeromy Miles is showing the same instincts and smarts from scrimmage that he's showed on the kick coverage teams.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]"We have to get it in the game and that will be fun to watch," Lewis said. "To me, that's the fun and seeing how it transfers to the next step and having to do it along with making tackles and so forth in the preseason games."[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Asked if it's a coin flip among Mays, Miles, and Sands, Lewis offered, "Not really, but it has been a good competition."[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Dalton, headed to Napa Valley next month to celebrate his year anniversary, sounds like he's going to toast his new receivers.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]"I'm excited about this group," Dalton said. "They haven't been around very long, but we're communicating. Everyone is on the same page. It's the hand signals that we're doing and things like that that everyone is picking up and we don't have to worry."[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]But now he has to start saying, "We're on the same screen," instead of "the same page," thanks to technology.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Bengals executive vice president Katie Blackburn suggested the iPad playbook to Lewis last year, when only the Bucs and Ravens were using it.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]"I kind of declined to do it," said Lewis, citing the lockout. "There was not the opportunity to play with it. The coaches have played with them since the end of May, since before Memorial Day, as far as the new apparatus. The players have had them for this last week. We gave them to them last Thursday, so they’ve had the opportunity to view them and fool with them over the weekend and then coming back this week. So far, so good. I like the feedback. For a guy to watch what they’re watching on the screen clearly (and) watch in front of them, too, if they want and be able to take notes on it, it’s very user-friendly."[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]With Lewis ready to go in January, Smith and video director Travis Brammer went viral.[/font][/color] [color=#ff0000][b][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]"Last year almost every player had their own personal iPad and the video department would manually load video," Smith said. "They know how it works better than we do.[/font] [font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]"We know it is a proven device and a way of delivering it. That consumed a lot of our video department’s time but they were getting killed by 40-50 players wanting video loaded," he said. "What this allows us to do is to push the information to them. They are getting it almost in real time. The position groups are getting what they need. It is very secure, now we can give them practice video. They can get video of a classroom session, practice, games. More information in a faster way.”[/font] [font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]The hours have just opened up for both coaches and players and the scenarios are endless. On Tuesday nights, defensive assistant David Lippincott and offensive assistant Kyle Caskey would be saddled for hours copying and collating about 80 playbooks. Now at about 6 p.m., they're pressing a button and at 6:01 Dalton can be scrolling through it at home.[/font][/b][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]What's next? Defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer loading his lectures a la your history professor?[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]But then, Dalton's generation is used to all this. He was one of the guys loading up his laptop with video last year.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Smith figures the Bengals have just eliminated from the calendar year about half a million sheets of paper and saved a forest of 30 to 50 trees. While also reducing the stress level of the quarterback.[/font][/color] [color=#ff0000][b][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]"The great thing is how quickly they can get stuff on there. You can be looking at things right away," said Dalton, who is also thinking about showing his mates plays from other teams for instruction.[/font][/b][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif](What better way to show Gresham how the Patriots use Rob Gronkowski on a stick route than to watch Gronkowski running a stick route from that week?)[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]He figures it would take a mere hour after the practice to review the Sands interception.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]And the quarterbacks are going to be better versed on the iPad because they're the only guys that got to take them home for the vacation. There may be no more paper, but there is still paranoia, although Smith says the network is more secure than notebooks.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]"If a player was disgruntled they could go to Kinko’s and make 100 copies and send it to everyone," Smith said. "They can’t do that with this. There is software that allows you to remotely wipe it out.”[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Now you can't even say the Bengals look good on paper as they break for the summer. But Lewis thinks they look pretty good on the screen.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]"I’m excited. I don’t know if we’re ahead or behind. I’m glad where we are," Lewis said. "I’m glad to come out of these practices where we are. Now we have to go and re-charge back up. The guys have to go prepare again, get their body and mind physically prepared for the rigors of training camp and the opening of the season. That’s our next challenge."[/font][/color] [url="http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Bengals-pad-practice-before-break/f17b6664-96fa-4f5b-89f7-58df147f3f12"]http://www.bengals.c...f7-58df147f3f12[/url][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif] [/font][/color][/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 [quote name='Bengals1181' timestamp='1340238340' post='1136092'] It's kind of the point of having it. So they can get the info out quick and not make players wait at the stadium for it, or worse, the next day. [/quote] no your right i mean simply plugging it in and syncing it isnt going to get them that data they need in a more secure but less fast way dont pick a fight with me on this one, there is a reason almost nobody with sensitive info in our government is using wireless, and that reason is because Elfflocko is right about its level of insecurity. and no im not saying the playbook is equivilent to sensitive government data, its not, or that it needs to be that secure, it doesnt, im saying those discounting his expertise on this matter simply dont know what they are talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 [b]It is very secure, now we can give them practice video.[/b] Relative to what? Because nobody I know in the security field describes wireless as "very secure" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 [quote name='Jamie_B' timestamp='1340281359' post='1136119'] no your right i mean simply plugging it in and syncing it isnt going to get them that data they need in a more secure but less fast way dont pick a fight with me on this one, there is a reason almost nobody with sensitive info in our government is using wireless, and that reason is because Elfflocko is right about its level of insecurity. and no im not saying the playbook is equivilent to sensitive government data, its not, or that it needs to be that secure, it doesnt, im saying those discounting his expertise on this matter simply dont know what they are talking about [/quote] settle down nancy, no one's picking a fight. Read the article above. It's pretty clear why the wi-fi is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 [quote name='Bengals1181' timestamp='1340282471' post='1136125'] settle down nancy, no one's picking a fight. Read the article above. It's pretty clear why the wi-fi is needed. [/quote] my argument is that its not as secure as wired and thus would be more secure to set up in a fashion that the players could sync their ipads at their lockers rather than doing it through wi-fi and still get the content as fast as they would through wi-fi sure this isnt sensitive government data here, but i can tell you if it were wi-fi would not be recommended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 [quote name='Jamie_B' timestamp='1340283182' post='1136127'] my argument is that its not as secure as wired and thus would be more secure to set up in a fashion that the players could sync their ipads at their lockers rather than doing it through wi-fi and still get the content as fast as they would through wi-fi sure this isnt sensitive government data here, but i can tell you if it were wi-fi would not be recommended [/quote] we're discussing different things. Part of the appeal for it for the Bengals is so that players don't have to wait to have it sync'ed at their lockers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 [quote name='Bengals1181' timestamp='1340283321' post='1136129'] we're discussing different things. Part of the appeal for it for the Bengals is so that players don't have to wait to have it sync'ed at their lockers. [/quote] i understand that, im discussing the idea of how insecure wireless is, not the function of the application, which could still function in a more secure wired manner, and smh at those discounting what Elflocco was saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 This is just a small segment of the arguements that happen at the Kenwood Apple store. That and who would win a fight between Yoda and Spock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Numbers| Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Whether it is wireless or via cabling, all data is insecure for some of the reasons stated above. Less technical equipment is required for cable driven. See Tempest for further information. Hardening all data rooms and cabling is very expensive. Stealing said data is very cheap (equipment wise). Numerous units in the military practice this type of "warfare" on a daily basis. ...and Scharm, Yoda will kick Spocks Vulcan ass... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 [quote name='scharm' timestamp='1340289213' post='1136141'] This is just a small segment of the arguements that happen at the Kenwood Apple store. That and who would win a fight between Yoda and Spock. [/quote] Spock doesnt have the force, of course yoda would win. [quote name='Numbers' timestamp='1340290656' post='1136145'] Whether it is wireless or via cabling, all data is insecure for some of the reasons stated above. Less technical equipment is required for cable driven. See Tempest for further information. Hardening all data rooms and cabling is very expensive. Stealing said data is very cheap (equipment wise). Numerous units in the military practice this type of "warfare" on a daily basis. ...and Scharm, Yoda will kick Spocks Vulcan ass... [/quote] Of course all data is not completely secure by basis of being over the internet, my argument isnt that, its that there are things that are more secure than others, and wiresless is not as secure as wired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 I think Yoda would win but not by knockout. Mostly because the judging panel was paid off by the Jedi council. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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