Inigo Montoya Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 [quote name='Dr Tarzan' timestamp='1356362474' post='1198624'] Update....orange was indeed correct. Assuming Oak loses to SD and Det loses to Chi and Philly loses to NYG, Oak based on strength of schedule is the #3 pick in Rd 1 and #5 in Rd 2--#37. My sources were faulty. My apologies. [/quote] Is this confirmed? It seems correct to me, but curious if anyone else heard it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigris Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 [quote name='MichaelWeston' timestamp='1357076082' post='1202262'] Whits play has been falling off, he's not bad but not great either, but I really don't want to move him. I want to be prepared for when we don't have him at LT. [/quote] Too many wars down the road. You draft a guy now and he doesn't get to start for 4-5 years... he's already a FA and gone. There's nothing wrong with adding tackles, but to worry about Whit's departure is a little premature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 [quote name='Tigris' timestamp='1357098664' post='1202369'] Too many wars down the road. You draft a guy now and he doesn't get to start for 4-5 years... he's already a FA and gone. There's nothing wrong with adding tackles, but to worry about Whit's departure is a little premature. [/quote] [quote name='Tigris' timestamp='1357098664' post='1202369'] Too many wars down the road. You draft a guy now and he doesn't get to start for 4-5 years... he's already a FA and gone. There's nothing wrong with adding tackles, but to worry about Whit's departure is a little premature. [/quote] 4 or 5 years down the road? Whit is 31 now. Smith is a FA this year and Collins and Whit are FAs after next year. He isn't a young pup. Thinking about another option for 2014 or 2015 doesn't seem that unreasonable to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 It's too soon to be looking for Whitworth's replacement. Good O-linemen can play 12-15 seasons. Whit has played 7 years and hasn't had any injury problems. There's no particular reason to expect him to leave in 2015. Unless we need a replacement for Andre or Roland, we don't need to draft an O-lineman this year. We need offensive skill help and back 7 defenders the most. If we drafted a future LT and Whitworth did leave, he would still be halfway to free agency before his first start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unleashed Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 My thinking is that whit probably has 3 more seasons where he plays at a high level. After that I think he starts to wear down. Not saying we need to pick someone up in the draft this year but I think it may be time to start thinking of what they want to do long term with the guys. 31 years old is getting up there for an nfl player. No way he's going to be a quality starter after 12-15 seasons if he's already 7 years into his career. There's much bigger needs, just wanted to know what you guys thought about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Lucid| Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 [quote name='Tigris' timestamp='1357098664' post='1202369'] Too many wars down the road. You draft a guy now and he doesn't get to start for 4-5 years... he's already a FA and gone. There's nothing wrong with adding tackles, but to worry about Whit's departure is a little premature. [/quote] [quote name='sparky151' timestamp='1357103387' post='1202382'] It's too soon to be looking for Whitworth's replacement. Good O-linemen can play 12-15 seasons. Whit has played 7 years and hasn't had any injury problems. There's no particular reason to expect him to leave in 2015. Unless we need a replacement for Andre or Roland, we don't need to draft an O-lineman this year. We need offensive skill help and back 7 defenders the most. If we drafted a future LT and Whitworth did leave, he would still be halfway to free agency before his first start. [/quote] [quote name='unleashed' timestamp='1357104231' post='1202383'] My thinking is that whit probably has 3 more seasons where he plays at a high level. After that I think he starts to wear down. Not saying we need to pick someone up in the draft this year but I think it may be time to start thinking of what they want to do long term with the guys. 31 years old is getting up there for an nfl player. No way he's going to be a quality starter after 12-15 seasons if he's already 7 years into his career. There's much bigger needs, just wanted to know what you guys thought about it. [/quote] I completely agree.. Plus the strength of Whit's game is technique and saavy.. Those guys tend to last the longest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texbengal Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 [quote name='MichaelWeston' timestamp='1357101887' post='1202381'] 4 or 5 years down the road? Whit is 31 now. Smith is a FA this year and Collins and Whit are FAs after next year. He isn't a young pup. Thinking about another option for 2014 or 2015 doesn't seem that unreasonable to me. [/quote] I agree with this, although I assume that they'll retain Andre in some way. And I think Collins is signed for another year should one of them (Whit or Andre) get hurt, and he's solid as a #3. That said, Whit is now 31, and at such a critical spot, you want to continue to protect your QB. While some guys (Long, Thomas, Ferguson, Clady) have been excellent from day one, others have taken a bit longer (Anthony Davis, Joe Staley, Trent Williams, Russell Okung, Eugene Monroe) to develop - and some (Jason Smith, among others) never produced at all. So while they've been fortunate with injuries at T this year, between age and injury possibility I don't think it's ridiculous to think they'd make an early pick there, if there's value in the draft at the time they pick. It's not a crying need, but it's one of the more important positions on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeb Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 [b] Several key Raiders could be gone[/b] January, 7, 2013 Jan 7 10:00 AM ET By [url="http://search.espn.go.com/bill-williamson/"] Bill Williamson[/url] | ESPN.com Expect more change in store in Oakland as the second year of the Reggie McKenzie era is about to commence. McKenzie made several big personnel decisions last year and began to seriously transform the roster. It will continue again this offseason. While precise salary cap figures are not yet available, the Raiders should be in better shape than last year’s miserable plight, but they will still have some tough decisions to make. With many free agents and some other high-priced players, McKenzie will be faced with more tough decisions this year. Here is a look at some players who may not be on the team in training camp: [b]Receiver [url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12570/darrius-heyward-bey"]Darrius Heyward-Bey[/url]:[/b] The No. 7 overall pick of the 2009 draft had a nice third season when he caught 64 passes after a slow start to his career. But he regressed in 2012 withjust 41 catches. Heyward-Bey is entering the final year of his contract and I think he is worth keeping around. He will likely never become a star, but is a decent threat. I could see the Raiders looking to tweak his contract for this season though to try to get some relief for the salary cap. [b]Defensive tackle [url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/5968/tommy-kelly"]Tommy Kelly[/url]:[/b] Kelly, 32, was up and down this season. He is still a decent player, but he misses a lot of plays. He has two years remaining on a seven-year, $50.5 million deal. If the Raiders bring him back, they will likely ask him to take a pay cut. Defensive tackle [url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12949/desmond-bryant"]Desmond Bryant[/url] is a free agent and Oakland may sign him instead and shed Kelly. [b]Punter [url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/2273/shane-lechler"]Shane Lechler[/url]:[/b] The 36-year-old free agent could be gone next season. Oakland has young punter [url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/15389/marquette-king"]Marquette King[/url] on the injured reserve. King has a big leg, but he is still raw and inexperience. While Lechler didn’t have a great year in 2012, he is still an upper-level punter. If he doesn’t get a great deal elsewhere, I could see him coming back. [b]Linebacker [url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13255/rolando-mcclain"]Rolando McClain[/url]:[/b] I don't see him coming back. He has burnt too many bridges. There have been reports that the Raiders may get a salary cap break because he was suspended by the team. Either way, he’s gone. [b]Running back [url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/11238/darren-mcfadden"]Darren McFadden[/url]:[/b] McFadden is entering the final season of his contract. His play diminished this season and his injury issues continued. McFadden has missed at least three games due to injury in all five of his NFL seasons. I think Oakland -- which doesn’t have a second and fifth round pick in the April draft -- should consider dealing McFadden if it got a second or third-round pick in return. There really isn’t a huge market for an injury-prone near free agent tailback, however, so McFadden could easily play his contract year in Oakland. He too could be a candidate for a pay cut. [b]Tight end [url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12705/brandon-myers"]Brandon Myers[/url]:[/b] Myers had a breakout year this season. He had 79 catches for 804 yards and is a free agent. The Raiders don’t have any great options and they need to keep Myers. He opened eyes around the league and if he hits free agency, someone could pay him big. [b]Quarterback [url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/4459/carson-palmer"]Carson Palmer[/url]:[/b] I think Palmer stays. I don’t think he is the answer for the long haul, but for 2013, the 33-year-old will be Oakland’s quarterback. He is due a huge contract and he will likely restructure his deal. [url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14851/terrelle-pryor"]Terrelle Pryor[/url] showed some promise in his Week 17 start, but I think the Raiders will feel more comfortable with Palmer’s experience for at least another season. I think we could be talking about Palmer’s departure this time next year. [b]Defensive tackle [url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/2554/richard-seymour"]Richard Seymour[/url]:[/b] Seymour’s time in Oakland is up. His contract is voided and he is a free agent. The team will take a $5.26 million cap hit, but Seymour is 33 and has missed half the season with a hamstring injury. He is on the decline and Oakland needs to get younger. [b]Linebacker [url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/11327/philip-wheeler"]Philip Wheeler[/url]:[/b] Wheeler is a free agent. He signed a one-year deal with Oakland and he was one of its best defensive players. Wheeler will be more viable on the open market. Oakland needs all the quality players it can get on defense. He must be a priority re-sign. http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/53304/several-key-raiders-could-be-gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeb Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 According to this, ...we can get Palmer as a backup QB next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Harley| Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 By the time they're done cutting, they'll be more like the Oakland A's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeb Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 To recap ... We may lose our OC to a head coach gig but we picked up a quality one last season from the Raiders and waiting in the wings. We leased our QB to the Raiders for 2 top draft picks, ...the last one, ...payment in full this season. We still have a shot at our old QB as a backup within a year (he still wants a ring, is getting old, and what other contender will take him in?). This gift just keeps getting better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengaled Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 [quote name='Lucid' timestamp='1357126663' post='1202391'] I completely agree.. Plus the strength of Whit's game is technique and saavy.. Those guys tend to last the longest. [/quote] you saved me a post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeb Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 One last note, ...Marvin Jones was our draft pick from the Pats for Ocho, ...come on Marvin, ...you can do it, ...evolve! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 [quote name='Jeb' timestamp='1357662805' post='1206360'] To recap ... We may lose our OC to a head coach gig but we picked up a quality one last season from the Raiders and waiting in the wings. We leased our QB to the Raiders for 2 top draft picks, ...the last one, ...payment in full this season. We still have a shot at our old QB as a backup within a year (he still wants a ring, is getting old, and what other contender will take him in?). This gift just keeps getting better. [/quote] Every gift needs a bow. Palmer left with welts on his back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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