spicoli Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 minute ago, T-Dub said: I'm also not giving them a pass when guys who get injured every season are once again injured for the season. where were they going to get another #1 WR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thezerawkid Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, T-Dub said: Expecting a rookie draft pick to fix all that was foolish. I'm also not giving them a pass when guys who get injured every season are once again injured for the season. They just tied the worst season in Bengals history. Last time this happened the HC got fired. Somehow this HC is entirely blameless? I don't get it. Damn man, you aren’t daft, who on earth said he was “blameless”?! It’s a myriad of shit that sent this team down the shitter, a few items you just referenced being very important in that regard, and also not really being much he could wrap his arms around and take care of. ZT has loads of improving to do. Shitcanning him is a terrible idea. That’s all, I think, most of us are saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 Just now, spicoli said: where were they going to get another #1 WR? 9th overall pick seems like a good place to find one I know that wasn't ZT but what I don't know is how the team goes 2-14, looks completely unprepared for most of the season, forgets how to tackle, leaves Mixon on the bench & otherwise has absolutely clueless offensive playcalling from a guy that was supposed to be this offensive guru, and yet he's somehow entirely blameless because.. IDK, he's nice to the local media? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 everything you bring up is valid but it also all happened in the first half of the season. After that it seemed like things started to settle down and click a little better for them. I mean the guy was handed a pretty shitty roster and then had to adjust on the fly to not having a LT or his top playmaker. I'm just not sure how that equates to being better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 22 minutes ago, T-Dub said: 9th overall pick seems like a good place to find one they were one pick away from Christian McCaffrey. Ross sandwiched between McCaffrey and Mahomes....gawd love him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 49 minutes ago, thezerawkid said: Damn man, you aren’t daft, who on earth said he was “blameless”?! It’s a myriad of shit that sent this team down the shitter, a few items you just referenced being very important in that regard, and also not really being much he could wrap his arms around and take care of. ZT has loads of improving to do. Shitcanning him is a terrible idea. That’s all, I think, most of us are saying. This is what I don't get. If Taylor doubles his win total next year, he's almost up to Dave Shula 5-11 territory. Or we could just skip the pain and hire someone who is already a good head coach instead of hoping our currently bad head coach figures it out. Gregg Williams would be a massive improvement over ZT and most people would hope we aim higher than Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 I mean if they were going to fire him it almost assuredly would have happened by now. what else is left to talk about other than what happens with ZT gong forward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted January 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 The thread title can be changed to: "What to Do With Boy Wonder in 2020 After They Start 0-8 again?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, Le Tigre said: The thread title can be changed to: "What to Do With Boy Wonder in 2020 After They Start 0-8 again?" I'm sure you'd love that. Nonetheless though, it remains to be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 He could be here indefinitely so long as he doesn't say anything bad about ownership/Tobin etc or do something like join ISIS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 Tobin should be the one catching all of the fans ire, IMO. Is he not in charge of the roster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryker57 Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 it seems the bengals want to coach a senior team , to do so you need an intact coaching staff. sorry folks noone is going anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 hell they didn't even have a staff in place last year during the Sr Bowl...surely they can have a few vacancies if that's what needs to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, spicoli said: Tobin should be the one catching all of the fans ire, IMO. Is he not in charge of the roster? He, like all Bengals employees, is only responsible when things go well. When things go poorly it's bad luck, injuries, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted January 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 The biggest deflection has to be this "lost month" of staff addition and preparation. Poor fellow just got stuck with the dregs to choose from. If if that is the case, why is he not changing them out now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thezerawkid Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, Le Tigre said: The biggest deflection has to be this "lost month" of staff addition and preparation. Poor fellow just got stuck with the dregs to choose from. If if that is the case, why is he not changing them out now? It’s a good question. Perhaps partially because the postseason hasn’t yet begun? It’d be nice if his intention is to bring in some coaches from playoff teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted January 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 Fair point. I suppose a counter would be: if he has intentions of changing some out, why keep the plank-walkers around now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 I'm not pro or anti Zac at this point. I certainly would give him a couple of more seasons. He was handed a team lacking talent across the board. I'd bet he has maybe 20% input with draft picks & free agents, with Duke and Mike sharing the rest. The team played far better the second half than the first, which to me is a plus for Zac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thezerawkid Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 13 minutes ago, Le Tigre said: Fair point. I suppose a counter would be: if he has intentions of changing some out, why keep the plank-walkers around now? This is an even better point. I think the activity in free agency, combined with the coaching staff, will tell us what direction, if any, the club is taking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 18 hours ago, thezerawkid said: Well, of course I’d rather we were winning, but when a franchise gives a head coach the boot a fan’s expectation simply shouldn’t be instant success. Sure, you can dream, but odds are, your team is gonna need at least a year or two to get righted. You know all that, right? Do you think Taylor has shown to be a better coach than ML? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thezerawkid Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, PatternMaster said: Do you think Taylor has shown to be a better coach than ML? Well, I think there are a couple ways to look at this, empirical evidence and considering where the game is going and upside. In terms of raw numbers, no. Marvin Lewis enjoyed several years of good, sustained success. It never translated into prime time or post season success and there were ample indicators the game had potentially passed him by (maybe the jury is still out on that). Regardless, the last three seasons of his tenure showed the franchise mired in cyclical mediocrity. His stale planning, absentee-dad-player-first approach combined with some devastatingly poor drafts and seemingly stagnant player development spelled the end for him. Not to mention fans running for the exits. In terms of upside? I just don't know yet. There were things that made me scratch my head about Taylor and his prep and play calling. I think all of us agree with that. This team matched its worst W/L season in history, but not for lack of effort. I'm not saying moral victories matter in the end, I'm merely looking at what it might mean. This team lost 8 games by a score or less. They played hard and improved over the last half of the season. Historically, this isn't what NFL teams do as they cruise towards top five draft picks. Especially teams that are driven by veterans. Not being entirely sure where you were going with that question, I hope I sufficiently covered enough of my thought process for your follow up point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 Marvin Lewis got an interview for the Cowboys job. Anyone think Zac Taylor would be snatched up by another team as HC if the Bengals let him go? I doubt he'd even get consideration for an OC job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, sparky151 said: Marvin Lewis got an interview for the Cowboys job. Anyone think Zac Taylor would be snatched up by another team as HC if the Bengals let him go? I doubt he'd even get consideration for an OC job. Rooney Rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted January 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 Yeah sure, whatever you say. He has had the respect of real live football types over the years, and not media squawking heads and internet experts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, I_C_Deadpeople said: Rooney Rule Are you assuming that Jones wouldn't interview him otherwise, or that Marvin is unqualified, or both? Kind of a fucked up comment either way IMHO but I'm trying to withhold judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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