Jessa Duggar Blasts Christians Who Don't Believe in Hell: Your God "Doesn't Exist"

[Go Skins]

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jessa-duggar-christianity-rant-believe-in-hell-your-god-doesnt-exist-2015252

 

Jessa Duggar did not shy away from controversy on Facebook on Wednesday, Feb. 25. The 19 Kids and Counting star, 22, addressed her thousands of followers, talking about judgement, sin, and hell in a lengthy post. 
 

“I will speak to you a hard truth,” she wrote. “I do not write this because I think that it will bring me popularity. It won't. But it is Truth from the Word of God: the Bible. To not tell people this is to hide the truth from them. To keep silent is to not care for their eternal destiny! I care about you, and this is why I am speaking out!”

 

The evangelical Baptist called out those who defend their “sinful” life choices by quoting Matthew 7:1, which says “Judge not.” 

 

“Whenever someone speaks out against something that God calls sin, ‘Don't judge!’ can be heard coming from a thousand lips,” Duggar began. “People don't like to have other people disapprove of the way they're choosing to live their life. People are content to live on in lying, cursing, pride, anger, bitterness, disrespecting of parents, lust, pornography, fornication, adultery, and other sexual sins-- and if anyone tries to confront them, their attitude and response is, ‘You live your life, I'll live mine. Don't you tell me what to do! Only God can judge me!’ But when unbelieving, sinful men die and stand before God, He justly condemns them to hell.”

 

[|Lucid|]

To hell with you Jessa..

[|High School Harry|]

What does Kim Kardashian and Paris Hilton think?  

[Jamie_B]

She must truly be in very good shape to be able to lift and cast so many stones.

[|Lucid|]

She must truly be in very good shape to be able to lift and cast so many stones.

 

Exactly what I was getting at in a much more obscure way. She completely misunderstands the concept of "judge not". The idea is that you should worry about your own issues and let others worry about theirs. Ultimately God makes the final judgement. Finally by casting stones she herself violates a deadly sin by becoming a Hypocrite. Thus, by her own words, to hell with her,

[Jamie_B]

 

Exactly what I was getting at in a much more obscure way. She completely misunderstands the concept of "judge not". The idea is that you should worry about your own issues and let others worry about theirs. Ultimately God makes the final judgement. Finally by casting stones she herself violates a deadly sin by becoming a Hypocrite. Thus, by her own words, to hell with her,

 

 

Conservatives like her view Matthew 7 as a right to judge if and only the specific sin you are judging you are not guilty of.

 

Personally I view it more in line with the way Alcoholics Anonymous (which is a Christian organization) treats their members. You don't judge the person you are supposed to help them through their issues (sins) because you recognize their struggle, it may not be your specific struggle, but you know you struggle too. It's about holding up each other rather than tearing down like Conservatives like her do.

[|Lucid|]

 

 

Conservatives like her view Matthew 7 as a right to judge if and only the specific sin you are judging you are not guilty of.

 

Personally I view it more in line with the way Alcoholics Anonymous (which is a Christian organization) treats their members. You don't judge the person you are supposed to help them through their issues (sins) because you recognize their struggle, it may not be your specific struggle, but you know you struggle too. It's about holding up each other rather than tearing down like Conservatives like her do.

 

Helping is not judgement. I'm all about helping.. But "helping" implies someone is seeking assistance. "Helping" someone who does not wish it is a form of aggression. There are rare instances where this truly is warranted (having an intervention for an addict friend). But most of the times it is closer to when the Christian Scientists, or Mormons, or whomever walk right past my Ho Tai statue, push aside my double dorge, knock on my door and proceed to tell me I need to avoid going to hell by accepting Jesus Christ as my savior.

 

Seriously, I understand their religion teaches that those who don't think like they do are going to go to hell, and I get that they "care about my soul" but I am in my 40's and obviously have a deeply developed sense of spirituality (hence the obvious religious symbols you just ignored on my doorstep), and am not some "lost child who needs to be shown the way".

 

I find this to not only be a tremendous waste of my time but also kind of insulting. I am always way nicer than they deserve, but they never just take no for an answer and insist on telling me why it's so important that I listen to them and are never satisfied unless I take a stupid pamphlet, which immediately goes into the trash.

[Jamie_B]

Aren't all religions like that though? I mean if the Buddhists didn't believe in reincarnation and that you'd have several lifespans to "get it right" you don't think they'd be more pushy?

[|Lucid|]

Aren't all religions like that though? I mean if the Buddhists didn't believe in reincarnation and that you'd have several lifespans to "get it right" you don't think they'd be more pushy?

 

How can you simply dismiss pretty much the most central tenet of the faith like that and say "See! Aren't they all the same?"

 

I mean.. Seriously, the road to Nirvana through the process of reincarnation IS the Buddhist faith. That would be like me saying, if not for that whole Christ thing Jews are the exact same as Christians....

[|Lucid|]

Oh, and BTW.. "Getting it right" is absolutely not what Buddhism is about. Buddhism is about the process.. The individual road that one takes.  The end result is the same so it doesn't matter so much how you get there. There is no "getting it wrong". The experience of the beggar and the thief are just as valuable to the development of one's soul as the role of a doctor or political leader.

 

Everyone is all of that at one time or another, which makes the whole idea of judgement in and of itself ridiculous when seen through the lens of Buddhism.

[Jamie_B]

I think you miss my point, (and for the record this inst a us vs them thing with me, and maybe i'm misreading your tone, but you seem to be coming off offended, I'm not a conservative christian, I'm a liberal one so she's probably referring more to me than she is you anyway)

 

I'm simply saying that because of the belief in reincarnation there is no need to be "pushy" about how one reaches Nirvana, as you have many lifetimes to do so (that's what I mean by "get it right")

[|Lucid|]

I think you miss my point, (and for the record this inst a us vs them thing with me, and maybe i'm misreading your tone, but you seem to be coming off offended, I'm not a conservative christian, I'm a liberal one so she's probably referring more to me than she is you anyway)

 

I'm simply saying that because of the belief in reincarnation there is no need to be "pushy" about how one reaches Nirvana, as you have many lifetimes to do so (that's what I mean by "get it right")

 

First, please understand I am not offended at all.. I apologize if my tone insinuated this, I will try to be more careful.

 

My point is a very christian one as well. It is not for the human mind to conceive what must be done to get into Heaven. We don't make that call. All you can do as a Christian is to try and live your life in a way that satisfies the teaching of your faith. I think Christianity is beautiful. I hope not to offend but I consider Christ a "Buddha". An enlightened soul sent here to help guide us on our journey. I refer to the teachings of Jesus daily, and find true Christians to be wonderful people.

 

What I don't get about Christianity is the clinging to a book and it's teaching's that IMO were superseded by the wisdon that Jesus brought us. The old testament is where you find most of what I would consider the objectionable parts of Christianity. The book of Leviticus for example. And the teaching that God is a wrathful and jealous being that is willing to punish the sons for the sins of their fathers and entire nations for the sins of some.

 

It's this fear of a wrathful god IMO that drives much of the ugliness in the Abrahamic religions and not some misplaced love or concern for the souls of others. It's the underlying understanding that if a nation tolerates gays, or "strays too far" that God may turn everyone into a pillar of salt, or flood the world to punish the sins of the wicked.

 

I think Jesus tried to correct that misunderstanding with a message of love and redemption, but somehow this all too often gets overshadowed by fear....

[Jamie_B]

I don't disagree with any of that.

[|Lucid|]

I don't disagree with any of that.

 

Haha, reread my post about aggressive "helping" and realized I used the word "you" when referencing the attitudes of the Mormons etc knocking on my door.  I do this a lot.. I didn't mean "you" as in YOU.. I meant you as in "them" if that makes any damn sense.. lol.

[Jamie_B]

:D

 

I got ya

[|kennethmw|]

 

First, please understand I am not offended at all.. I apologize if my tone insinuated this, I will try to be more careful.

 

My point is a very christian one as well. It is not for the human mind to conceive what must be done to get into Heaven. We don't make that call. All you can do as a Christian is to try and live your life in a way that satisfies the teaching of your faith. I think Christianity is beautiful. I hope not to offend but I consider Christ a "Buddha". An enlightened soul sent here to help guide us on our journey. I refer to the teachings of Jesus daily, and find true Christians to be wonderful people.

 

What I don't get about Christianity is the clinging to a book and it's teaching's that IMO were superseded by the wisdon that Jesus brought us. The old testament is where you find most of what I would consider the objectionable parts of Christianity. The book of Leviticus for example. And the teaching that God is a wrathful and jealous being that is willing to punish the sons for the sins of their fathers and entire nations for the sins of some.

 

It's this fear of a wrathful god IMO that drives much of the ugliness in the Abrahamic religions and not some misplaced love or concern for the souls of others. It's the underlying understanding that if a nation tolerates gays, or "strays too far" that God may turn everyone into a pillar of salt, or flood the world to punish the sins of the wicked.

 

I think Jesus tried to correct that misunderstanding with a message of love and redemption, but somehow this all too often gets overshadowed by fear....

 

That is an almost complete distillation of my beliefs.  Jesus ushered in a New Covenant with God, but too many of the folks that call themselves "Christians" still act like everyone lives under the old covenant.  It makes Zero Sense, but then again, Few of them have any sense to start with.

[-GoBengals-]

kinda wanna fuck her mouth..

[T-Dub]

kinda wanna fuck her mouth..

 

 

:lmao:

[PatternMaster]

She seems to have missed the part of the Bible where it talks about not condemning others, letting God be the judge, and not worrying about others sin instead of focusing on your own.

 

I didn't realize that Jessa Duggar died for the sins of humanity and was reincarnated after 3 days in the grave, because according to the Bible Jesus was the only person to walk the earth without sin. Apparently she doesn't lie, have too much pride or angry, and has never been horny...she's an android, that's why she so damn perfect. I guess because her parents have a bunch of kids and don't mind exploiting themselves for fame and money she is an authority on Christianity. 

 

People like Duggar give Christianity a bad name, too much hypocrisy and condemnation. 

[T-Dub]

Not to mention Christ reportedly did some highly questionable shit as a kid to be "without sin", the Vatican just removed those parts from the Bible because (at least IMHO) Christianity was never meant to be all about guilt. It served their purposes to convince everyone they could that the clergy were their path to salvation.  It was a business and a means of control, first and foremost.

 

When you start reading about the translation errors that crept in (assuming they weren't deliberate, and some of them certainly seem so) as it went from one language to the next on the way to English..  Well, there are some fundamental mistakes there that really change the intended message.

[|High School Harry|]

[Khatmandude]

Not to mention Christ reportedly did some highly questionable shit as a kid to be "without sin", the Vatican just removed those parts from the Bible because (at least IMHO) Christianity was never meant to be all about guilt. It served their purposes to convince everyone they could that the clergy were their path to salvation.  It was a business and a means of control, first and foremost.

 

When you start reading about the translation errors that crept in (assuming they weren't deliberate, and some of them certainly seem so) as it went from one language to the next on the way to English..  Well, there are some fundamental mistakes there that really change the intended message.

 

Anytime man tampers with something, there are going to be errors in it.  The Bible is no exemption.  Changed meanings of words, translated names as opposed to keeping a name, ommissions, additions.....whatever the Emperor, and a few others wanted.  It essentially had pagan elements mixed in, which unfortunately is still part of today's Christianity. (Celebrating Nimrod's birthday on Dec 25), Easter (Ishtar) and most egregious, the trinity (Osiris, Isis, Horus/Nimrod, Semarimis, Tammuz) and many others.  Finding the beginnings/origins to what we do today is fascinating to me.  

 

That being said, it still contains A LOT of truth.....hard part is discerning.  

 

As for Jessa.....judging others is putting yourself in place of our Creator........which is probably a bigger sin than lust or pride.  

 

I think many times religious people feel 'superior' to others and fall victim to having too much pride.  Looking down at others when we have no idea of the struggle others go through.  Haven't walked in their shoes yet feel as if they can make judgments.  This is opposite of what is the proper way to act IMO.  

[CincyInDC]

"Don't be an asshole" covers it pretty well I think.

[Jamie_B]

 

 

 

 

:24:

 

Perfect

[T-Dub]

Yeah I've no idea who Jessa Duggar is or why anyone gives a toss what she thinks. People get a little fame and start thinking their opinions are important.

"I think a thing!"

That's nice, dear.