Micheal Richards Racial tirade.

[Guest A-Men-HouseofPain]

[quote name='whodey 85' post='391887' date='Nov 21 2006, 06:08 PM'][b]Its apart of our culture, so get used to it.
Dont judge me, u dont even kno me.[/b]
There was slaves, but did God say "opress them niggers?" Did Jesus say "even I cant pull off the miracle of making niggers worth anything?" No, so slavery in that era is erelivant, it was the way it was.[/quote]
1) dumbest comment ive ever read, good luck in your future with that intellegent comment.

2) u dont know me but u made the retarded comment b4 that to come at me with.

[STRAYCAT]

Dude lost it and spewed out what is deep down his feelings. Kiss his career goodbye.. shit wasn't called for.

[Guest A-Men-HouseofPain]

[quote name='STRAYCAT' post='391921' date='Nov 21 2006, 07:42 PM']Dude lost it and spewed out what is deep down his feelings. Kiss his career goodbye.. shit wasn't called for. [/quote]
definitely.

[Guest whodey 85]

[quote name='A-Men-HouseofPain' post='391919' date='Nov 21 2006, 07:37 PM']1) dumbest comment ive ever read, good luck in your future with that intellegent comment.

2) u dont know me but u made the retarded comment b4 that to come at me with.[/quote]

Yea, real dumb. Its not like its the truth or anything.

I came at u cause u sounded like an ignorant hoe, I dont have to kno u when u sound like a dumbass.

[|Tigers Johnson|]

[quote name='sneaky' post='391865' date='Nov 21 2006, 05:45 PM']Yes, the famous "before we condemn the man for being racist, maybe the niggers deserved it " theory.
Interesting. [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//39.gif[/img]

You got to be fucking kidding me. Richards was paid to perform. Any seasoned stand up
comic knows that if the jokes are lame, they are going to have to deal with hecklers.

Now, if the hecklers were that rude or unruly, all Richards had to do was get security to escort
them out. No report has indicated the heckler provoked Richards' racial outburst. Yes, the heckler may have been an
ass because Richards jokes were not funny but he didn't deserve to be called a nigger.

And for those of you, who wish to bring up the heckler called Richards a "cracker", yes it was wrong
too but it was in retaliation after Richards called him a nigger numerous times.

Some of you are fucking unbelievable.[/quote]
sneaky, did you even read my post?

I said I am not defending what he did because it was WRONG. I said it was UNCALLED for. If you notice, the video only starts when he was going off. It does not show what the hecklers did. Just because something is reported to you and you do not see it with you own eyes, do you believe it? I don't. In that video, we only saw half the story. That is what I was saying. Richards was wrong.....we just don't know how wrong the hecklers were to provoke such a response from him as undeserving as it was.

Next time, please read my post before you say I am "unbelieveable."


And would you agree the other guy calling him a cracker was uncalled for as well? At some point, somebody has to be the bigger person....two wrongs don't make a right, and being a racist is being a racist whether you are the first to say it or the second.

[Jamie_B]

Here is the entire appology decide for youself.


[url="http://www.ifilm.com/video/2798827?ns=1"]http://www.ifilm.com/video/2798827?ns=1[/url]

[MULLY]

Tell you guys what. When the white man becomes the minority then we can piss and moan about racist comments. Until then all of us should just shut the fuck up. After reading what sneaky had to say I had to totally agree with him 100% about Michael Richards and why it was so wrong. This whole thing has gone from what he did, blatant racist comments, to why the word "nigger" should or shouldn't be used. 2 different subjects if you ask me. There is no justifying what he (Richards) did. I think all of us here agree on that one point. But this has turned into something else. Start another thread as to why white comics should or shouldn't use the word "nigger" in their jokes. It's not flying in this one.
MULLY

[|Tigers Johnson|]

Why not let the conversation take it's course rather than police the thread?

[Guest ONYX]

[quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='391943' date='Nov 21 2006, 08:19 PM']sneaky, did you even read my post?

I said I am not defending what he did because it was WRONG. I said it was UNCALLED for. If you notice, the video only starts when he was going off. It does not show what the hecklers did. Just because something is reported to you and you do not see it with you own eyes, do you believe it? I don't. In that video, we only saw half the story. That is what I was saying. Richards was wrong.....we just don't know how wrong the hecklers were to provoke such a response from him as undeserving as it was.

Next time, please read my post before you say I am "unbelieveable."
[b]And would you agree the other guy calling him a cracker was uncalled for as well?[/b] At some point, somebody has to be the bigger person....two wrongs don't make a right, and being a racist is being a racist whether you are the first to say it or the second.[/quote]

Tiger, did you even read my post?

I said the heckler who called Richards a "cracker" was wrong but I find it difficult to
be too hard on him for it, because a "comedian" he just paid money to see, has a microphone
and is humiliating him in front of a crowd of people by calling him a "nigger" multiple times.
What would you have done if something like that happen to you? Would you have been the "bigger"
man?


There have been no reports or witnesses coming forth to say that the heckler made any
racial or ethnic slurs first. All evidence presented so far, points to Richards as the one
who went there as far as the racial stuff.

As I said earlier in the thread, Richards had the right to crack back on the heckler. I've seen comics
before handle hecklers by embarrasing them by peppering them with insults. Richards decided
to make it "racial" and that was career suicide.

Now you can go on playing the "maybe" game if you want, but Im only going by on whats
been reported so far.

[|Tigers Johnson|]

What Richards did was wrong. Period.

Would i have been the bigger person? I probably would have said "Fuck you, you Piece of shit!" or something along those lines.

I have never in my life called someone a nigger or a racist epitath(sp). It makes me physically ill when I hear people do it.

But my other statement rings true. A racist is still a racist whether he is the first to do it or the second. It was wrong what Richards did, but it was also wrong what the hecklers did. Why did it have to become about race? Thats only something the people involved can answer. My only guess is Richards was so filled with rage that he went for the only thing he could think of that would truely hurt the people that were heckling him, and they retaliated in kind.

[|Bunghole|]

This has been a very interesting thread. All I can say is that at least some good has come from the ashes of Kramer's stupid, ignorant tirade in the form of the opinions shared by the members of this website right here.
That, and Coy can be a funny motherfucker when he wants to be.

[Guest ONYX]

[quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='391959' date='Nov 21 2006, 09:00 PM']What Richards did was wrong. Period.

Would i have been the bigger person? I probably would have said "Fuck you, you Piece of shit!" or something along those lines.

I have never in my life called someone a nigger or a racist epitath(sp). It makes me physically ill when I hear people do it.

But my other statement rings true. A racist is still a racist whether he is the first to do it or the second. It was wrong what Richards did, but it was also wrong what the hecklers did. Why did it have to become about race? Thats only something the people involved can answer. My only guess is Richards was so filled with rage that he went for the only thing he could think of that would truely hurt the people that were heckling him, and they retaliated in kind.[/quote]

Actually, the heckler told Richards "That was uncalled for", and for a brief instant, Richards had a oppurtunity
to apologize right then and there and maybe salvage something, but he showed no remorse and then the
heckler called him a "motherfuckin cracker".



And the rest is history.

[Homer_Rice]

I missed this whole Seinfeld guy thing, but on a similar note, I was very disappointed the other night when I was flipping through the channel guide. There was this show listed called, "Band of Brothers." I turned it on, expecting a documentary about the Jackson 5, but all it was was some white dudes killing each other.

[|Bunghole|]

[quote name='Homer_Rice' post='392001' date='Nov 21 2006, 10:08 PM']I missed this whole Seinfeld guy thing, but on a similar note, I was very disappointed the other night when I was flipping through the channel guide. There was this show listed called, "Band of Brothers." I turned it on, expecting a documentary about the Jackson 5, but all it was was some white dudes killing each other.[/quote]

That's actually not a bad show, if you like war movies. Which is all war should be relegated to anymore. Let Hollywood have it forever. Sadly, it will never happen. In fact, we are gearing up for more war, not less. I'm still not sure why, although I suspect it's a black man's fault.

[MULLY]

[quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='391951' date='Nov 22 2006, 10:38 AM']Why not let the conversation take it's course rather than police the thread?[/quote]

Not trying to police it, just trying to keep it at it's main point, that Richards was wrong. As I said, it seems as if everyone agrees on that one. It has turned into the history of the word "nigger" and whether it's ok for white comics to use the word in their jokes since it's seemingly ok for black comics to use cracker, or some other racist comments, in theirs. Seperate arguments if you ask me. Arguing the latter point in this thread almost seems to be on the edge of justifying why he said it......and there is no justification.
MULLY

[Guest BengalBacker]

This isn't rocket science. It's not the word, it's the intent and emotion behind the use of the word.

If your friend accidentally spills beer on you, you might laugh and call him a fucking asshole, he'll laugh and apologize. If you're in a car accident and you get out and call the other guy a fucking asshole, he might not take that too well.

Richards exposed some deep seated racism in his "character". Fuck him. The world sucks bad enough without people who think like him around. I know Coy thinks that's the way all white people really think, but that's not true. I know some people who think like that. Way too many people, but the overwhelming majority of white people I know don't think that way.

[SINcinnati513]

Just a quick question.

A lot of people I work with call me nigga all the time. I'm caucasian. So is it alright if I just call them niggas crackas? Or should I say cracker?

[Guest A-Men-HouseofPain]

[quote name='SINcinnati513' post='392034' date='Nov 22 2006, 02:36 AM']Just a quick question.

A lot of people I work with call me nigga all the time. I'm caucasian. So is it alright if I just call them niggas crackas? Or should I say cracker?[/quote]

[MULLY]

[quote name='BengalBacker' post='392033' date='Nov 22 2006, 04:31 PM']This isn't rocket science. It's not the word, it's the intent and emotion behind the use of the word.

If your friend accidentally spills beer on you, you might laugh and call him a fucking asshole, he'll laugh and apologize. If you're in a car accident and you get out and call the other guy a fucking asshole, he might not take that too well.

Richards exposed some deep seated racism in his "character". Fuck him. The world sucks bad enough without people who think like him around. I know Coy thinks that's the way all white people really think, but that's not true. I know some people who think like that. Way too many people, but the overwhelming majority of white people I know don't think that way.[/quote]

Personally, I couldn't give 2 shits what color anyone's skin is. The person wearing that skin is what matters to me.
MULLY
how could I be in an interacial marriage if race did bother me?

[|Tigers Johnson|]

7. Michael Irvin Pulls A Michael Richards.

Okay, folks. We're officially confused about this whole racism thing.

We get the part that calls for white guys to be severely punished and/or fired if they make bigoted, ignorant statements. Al Campanis, Rush Limbaugh, Jimmy "The Greek" Snyder.

And the latest chapter in this history of racial prejudice comes courtesy of Michael Richards, whom most people know not as "Michael Richards" but as Cosmo Kramer, the hilarious hipster doofis who lived across the hall from Jerry Seinfeld.

Each made unfortunate statements, and each paid the price.

The best example for present purposes is Snyder, who once quipped (while possibly half in the bag) that blacks are better at sports than whites due to the selective breeding practices of slave owners.

In each case, we agree with the outcry that ensued, although we still think Limbaugh's punishment resulted more from his right-wing beliefs than from the actual content of his comments.

But what of the African-American public figure who makes comments just as idiotic, and arguably as blatantly racist? Why is a pass granted in this regard?

The most recent incident? ESPN's Michael Irvin. Appearing Monday on ESPN Radio's The Dan Patrick Show, Irvin pulled a Jimmy "The Greek" when suggesting that one possible explanation for Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo's strong performance is that one of his ancestors got it on with one of those big man slaves to which Snyder referred nearly 20 years ago.

Said Irvin of Romo: "He doesn't look like he's that type of an athlete. But he is. He is, man. I don't know . . . some brother down in that line somewhere. . . . I don't know who saw what or where, his great-great-great-great-grandma ran over in the 'hood or something went down."

Recognizing the idiocy of Irvin's comments, Dan Patrick said, "Oh, that's the only way he can be a great athlete?"

"That's not the only way, but it's certainly one way," Irvin said. "If great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandma pulled one of them studs up out of the barn [and said], 'Come on in here for a second,' you know, and they go out and work in the yard. You know, back in the day."

Irvin likely would claim that he was joking, if the standard that has been applied to white men who have made similar comments were also applied to the Playmaker. He was, after all, laughing through some of his comments.

But does that make the comments any less ignorant, or any less racist? Irvin basically is saying that, when a white man is a great athlete, there must be something out of the ordinary occurring, because the average white man simply can't do the same things that the average black man can.

Can someone please explain to us why Irvin hasn't been fired or suspended or even called out for his comments?

In doing so, please tell us what you think would have happened if Steve Young or Chris Berman or Dan Patrick or any other white guy working for ESPN had uttered the exact same words.






This just adds fuel to the fire...

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='392150' date='Nov 22 2006, 11:28 AM']7. Michael Irvin Pulls A Michael Richards.

Okay, folks. We're officially confused about this whole racism thing.

We get the part that calls for white guys to be severely punished and/or fired if they make bigoted, ignorant statements. Al Campanis, Rush Limbaugh, Jimmy "The Greek" Snyder.

And the latest chapter in this history of racial prejudice comes courtesy of Michael Richards, whom most people know not as "Michael Richards" but as Cosmo Kramer, the hilarious hipster doofis who lived across the hall from Jerry Seinfeld.

Each made unfortunate statements, and each paid the price.

The best example for present purposes is Snyder, who once quipped (while possibly half in the bag) that blacks are better at sports than whites due to the selective breeding practices of slave owners.

In each case, we agree with the outcry that ensued, although we still think Limbaugh's punishment resulted more from his right-wing beliefs than from the actual content of his comments.

But what of the African-American public figure who makes comments just as idiotic, and arguably as blatantly racist? Why is a pass granted in this regard?

The most recent incident? ESPN's Michael Irvin. Appearing Monday on ESPN Radio's The Dan Patrick Show, Irvin pulled a Jimmy "The Greek" when suggesting that one possible explanation for Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo's strong performance is that one of his ancestors got it on with one of those big man slaves to which Snyder referred nearly 20 years ago.

Said Irvin of Romo: "He doesn't look like he's that type of an athlete. But he is. He is, man. I don't know . . . some brother down in that line somewhere. . . . I don't know who saw what or where, his great-great-great-great-grandma ran over in the 'hood or something went down."

Recognizing the idiocy of Irvin's comments, Dan Patrick said, "Oh, that's the only way he can be a great athlete?"

"That's not the only way, but it's certainly one way," Irvin said. "If great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandma pulled one of them studs up out of the barn [and said], 'Come on in here for a second,' you know, and they go out and work in the yard. You know, back in the day."

Irvin likely would claim that he was joking, if the standard that has been applied to white men who have made similar comments were also applied to the Playmaker. He was, after all, laughing through some of his comments.

But does that make the comments any less ignorant, or any less racist? Irvin basically is saying that, when a white man is a great athlete, there must be something out of the ordinary occurring, because the average white man simply can't do the same things that the average black man can.

Can someone please explain to us why Irvin hasn't been fired or suspended or even called out for his comments?

In doing so, please tell us what you think would have happened if Steve Young or Chris Berman or Dan Patrick or any other white guy working for ESPN had uttered the exact same words.
This just adds fuel to the fire...[/quote]



This is stupid, Irvin may or may not have been joking around. But really to say that he just is adding to the "black people can only know music and sports" sterotype.


Now that aside, why is it that word comes up and someone is offended by it, a select crowd always plays the "well you guys do it too" card then proceed to talk about how racism comming from blacks with words like cracker is exactly the same.

Im sorry but its not, yes both are wrong (and I still dont get offended by cracker) but the N word hold more weight and has a far more hatefull history behind it. Is this really so difficult to understand? Perhaps we [b]do[/b] need more than the shortest month of the year to delve into black history in schools.

[|Tigers Johnson|]

I think to rate any form of racism worse than another allows people the leeway to be kind of racist and get away with it. ALL racism is bad, Period and should be treated as bad. Is what Michael Irvin said as bad as Richards? No. But it is this mind frame that we need to get away from. People are people. Every race has good and bad people.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='392157' date='Nov 22 2006, 12:03 PM'][b]I think to rate any form of racism worse than another allows people the leeway to be kind of racist and get away with it. [/b] ALL racism is bad, Period and should be treated as bad. Is what Michael Irvin said as bad as Richards? No. But it is this mind frame that we need to get away from. People are people. Every race has good and bad people.[/quote]


Yes all racism is bad, but history puts some far ahead of others, I dont have to do that, history does it for me.

[Hooky]

[quote name='Jamie_B' post='392175' date='Nov 22 2006, 12:48 PM']Yes all racism is bad, but history puts some far ahead of others, I dont have to do that, history does it for me.[/quote]

Racism against one group is worse than racism against another group? How racist is that? So certain groups have it coming based on what people of their race did before they were born? That's fucked up.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Hooky' post='392190' date='Nov 22 2006, 01:04 PM'][b]Racism against one group is worse than racism against another group? [/b] How racist is that? So certain groups have it coming based on what people of their race did before they were born? That's fucked up.[/quote]


In socities perception yes.

This comes down to you cant say certin things and expect that they are equal. Cracker and N*** are not equal. I would hope most could agree that the N word holds far much more weight and bad history behind it than the word Cracker does. Far far much more.

Now my own personal opinion is that those who would equate them need to do some soul searching and see if what they really are saying is that they have the desire to equate them because they still have some racist tendincies. Because equating them means you have the desire to make the power of the word cracker equal to the power of the N word. Most educated people know they do not hold the same weight and same power.