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[quote name='SlantNGo' date='25 June 2010 - 08:18 PM' timestamp='1277522298' post='894786']
I believe they changed the rules a few years ago to prevent this. Now I think you have to mark a player as "waived-injured", and he has to pass through waivers before you can then put him on IR. I believe this applies all the way until the start of the regular season.
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That's still a higher barrier - you have to carry him on IR to use next year instead of getting him for use this year.
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[b][size="5"]Briscoe Signs [/size][/b]
[b]By Marc Hardin[/b]Publisher
Posted Jun 25, 2010

[b]The Bengals have signed wide receiver Dez Briscoe to a four-year contract. The sixth-round pick becomes the first member of the 2010 Cincinnati draft class to agree to terms.[/b]


The Cincinnati Enquirer is reporting at this hour that sixth-round draft pick [url="http://cin.scout.com/a.z?s=117&p=8&c=1&nid=4494303"]Dez Briscoe[/url] from Kansas has agreed to a four-year contract, becoming the first member of the Bengals' 2010 nine-man draft class to agree to terms.

Briscoe's deal, which has not officially been confirmed by the team, is probably worth a base salary of about $1.8 million with a possible signing bonus in the range of $100,000. The Enquirer says the deal is "likely worth $1.892 million ($1.79 million base, $102,000 signing bonus)." If Briscoe achieves the fourth-escalator, the deal could be worth over $2.62 million.

[b]Editor's note: The Bengals confirmed Briscoe's signing today at 1:52 p.m.[/b] Briscoe (groin), along with linebacker Roddrick Muckelroy (broken hand), was a likely first draft pick to sign because the two players have been sidelined with injuries, which gives the Bengals some leverage in negotiations.

Briscoe participated during the last week of OTAs and the three-day minicamp at Paul Brown Stadium and adjacent fields.

Briscoe, one of 10 receivers on the Bengals' roster, was a productive college player and some draft observers believe the team may have picked up a steal with the 191st overall pick by taking the Jayhawk record-setter, who had to weather questions about a shoplifting arrest in 2007 and a team suspension for last season's opener. He also posted slow 40-yard dash times of 4.71/4.76 seconds, which also might have caused his tumble in the selection process after ESPN's Mel Kiper said during the run-up to the draft that Briscoe was one of the top 10 receivers on the board.

Briscoe (6-2, 210) fit the Bengals' draft need for a big, physical deep-threat receiver with a nose for the end zone. He had 31 TDs in 37 games, a ratio similar to the one posted by the late Chris Henry while he starred in college.

In his Kansas career, Briscoe totaled 219 catches, second in school history, for a school record 3,240 yards. He had 49 receptions go for gains of 20 yards or longer, and he had more 100-yard receiving games (14) than any other receiver in Kansas history. He had 84 receptions for 1,337 yards and 9 touchdowns and was a first-team All-Big 12 pick as a junior in 2009. Sports Illustrated named him an honorable mention All-American.

As a sophomore, he set school single-season records with 92 receptions for 1,407 yards and 15 TDs. Against Oklahoma that season, Briscoe set a school record with 269 receiving yards. That also was the most posted by any player in the NCAA during the 2008 season. He was the 2008 Insight Bowl offensive MVP after hauling in a school single-game record-tying 14 receptions.

This was Kansas coach Mark Mangino's comments when Briscoe recorded his school-record ninth 100-yard game, and sixth straight, during a 44-16 Kansas win over Duke on Sept. 21 of last year: "Dez is smart. He understands the coverages. When he lines up, he knows at the snap of the ball how they're going to play him because he's had a lot of repetitions here. It's only his third year, but he's played a ton. He's a very, very smart kid, and he knows exactly how they play him."

Briscoe, who is in a fierce position battle with no guarantee to make the opening-day 53-man roster, is just 20 years old (he turns 21 on August 14) and one of the youngest players on the roster, which numbers 83 with 75 players now signed.

If the Bengals sign all nine draft picks before the July 28 start of training camp in Georgetown, Ky., the team would have to cut three players to get down to the 80-player roster maximum by the time camp started.




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I'm saying it right now, this kid will make the 53. He has the potential to be a dominant WR in this league. He's big, a good route runner, makes the tough catch, and has performed well in one of the best college conferences in the country. 31 TD's in 37 games. 2700 yards receiving in the last 2 years, w/ 24 td catches. And he's only 20 years old!! Look at some of this shit!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5x7WIGuBM4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYiZPC3VC6k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0desB98IuCI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz6V06jEbnk&feature=PlayList&p=EB37481A00C988B8&playnext_from=PL&index=23&playnext=2

two dorks on the top recievers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdnKqId-Vag

I think this kid is a player, boys.
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Every team in the NFL had access to Youtube, though. How did such a stud drop so low?

I always hate this assumption that our 6th round picks are going to be better than other team's 2nd round picks, or that infatuation people have with new draft picks over last year's picks. This year's 6th round pick will be forgotten just like last year's late round picks, usually.

Somebody give me 3 ways that Briscoe is better than Freddie Brown. Remember him?
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[quote name='bengalbutch' date='25 June 2010 - 03:38 PM' timestamp='1277494716' post='894742']
I was hoping for 5 years. I think he is going to be good.
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Why, so he has an even longer opportunity to holdout for a new contract?
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[quote name='#22' date='26 June 2010 - 11:48 AM' timestamp='1277567303' post='894809']
Every team in the NFL had access to Youtube, though. [b]How did such a stud drop so low?[/b]

I always hate this assumption that our 6th round picks are going to be better than other team's 2nd round picks, or that infatuation people have with new draft picks over last year's picks. This year's 6th round pick will be forgotten just like last year's late round picks, usually.

Somebody give me 3 ways that Briscoe is better than Freddie Brown. Remember him?
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He ran a 4.7 40, and had a couple of issues. And I do realize that the only Wr's that perform well are second rounders or higher, like TJ, Brandon Marshall, Marquis Colston, Miles Austin, Wes Welker, Donald Driver, Terrell Owens, Etc. :rolleyes:

And as far as three ways Briscoe is better than Brown. let's see:

Played in Big 12 not Mountain West
Started 33 games in 3 years as opposed to 15 in four
Had 219 catches in 3 years as opposed to 116 in four
Had 1407 yds receiving in sophmore year as opposed to 1358 in 4 years
Had 31 td catches in 37 games as opposed to 7 in 47 games
Had 14 100 yard receiving games as opposed to 3
had a high game of 269 yards against Oklahoma that was also the most yards receiving by any receiver in a single game in 2008.

Oh, sorry, that's more than three!!

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[quote name='kennethmw' date='26 June 2010 - 12:41 PM' timestamp='1277570516' post='894813']
He ran a 4.7 40, and had a couple of issues. And I do realize that the only Wr's that perform well are second rounders or higher, like TJ, Brandon Marshall, Marquis Colston, Miles Austin, Wes Welker, Donald Driver, Terrell Owens, Etc. :rolleyes:

And as far as three ways Briscoe is better than Brown. let's see:

Played in Big 12 not Mountain West
Started 33 games in 3 years as opposed to 15 in four
Had 219 catches in 3 years as opposed to 116 in four
Had 1407 yds receiving in sophmore year as opposed to 1358 in 4 years
Had 31 td catches in 37 games as opposed to 7 in 47 games
Had 14 100 yard receiving games as opposed to 3
had a high game of 269 yards against Oklahoma that was also the most yards receiving by any receiver in a single game in 2008.

Oh, sorry, that's more than three!!
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If you had any common sense, you would know that success in college does not equal success in the NFL...

There's a reason he went in the 6th round.

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[quote name='#22' date='26 June 2010 - 10:48 AM' timestamp='1277567303' post='894809']

I always hate this assumption that our 6th round picks are going to be better than other team's 2nd round picks[/quote]



[b][size="5"]Tip Sheet: WR talent runs deep[/size][/b]

[size="4"][b]Recent drafts have produced plenty of gems beyond first round[/b]
[/size]By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com



[b]Of the 15 rookie wide receivers with 30 or more catches last season, 10 were chosen in the third round or later and eight were selected in Rounds 4 through 7. [/b]Four of the rookie wide receivers, in terms of yardage leaders, were selected after the first 80 choices went off the board.


The [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=ind"][color="#225fb2"]Indianapolis Colts[/color][/url]' [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12561"][color="#225fb2"]Austin Collie[/color][/url], who tied for the most receptions by a rookie wideout (60) in 2009 and led all first-year wide receivers in touchdown catches (seven), was a fourth-round pick. The [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=pit"][color="#225fb2"]Pittsburgh Steelers[/color][/url]' [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12601"][color="#225fb2"]Mike Wallace[/color][/url], the leader in average catch (19.4 yards) and receptions of 20 yards (14) and 40 yards (six) among rookies with more than 30 receptions, was a third-rounder. The [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=oak"][color="#225fb2"]Oakland Raiders[/color][/url]' [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12585"][color="#225fb2"]Louis Murphy[/color][/url] (nine starts) and the [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=nwe"][color="#225fb2"]New England Patriots[/color][/url]' [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12649"][color="#225fb2"]Julian Edelman[/color][/url] (seven), the only rookie wide receivers who made more than five starts, were selected in the fourth and seventh rounds, respectively.

Little wonder that in the 2010 draft, and even in drafts before that one, general managers and personnel directors were confident they could unearth productive wide receivers outside of the first round.

"The history is that there have been some solid wide receivers later [in the draft], and that you can get someone who can help you," said [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=tam"][color="#225fb2"]Tampa Bay Buccaneers[/color][/url] general manager Mark Dominik, who is counting on rookies [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13218"][color="#225fb2"]Arrelious Benn[/color][/url] (second round) and [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13489"][color="#225fb2"]Mike Williams[/color][/url] (fourth) to bolster the Bucs' passing game in 2010.

It's notable that the Bucs' [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12595"][color="#225fb2"]Sammie Stroughter[/color][/url], who registered 31 receptions as a rookie and projects as the club's slot receiver this season, was a seventh-round selection in 2009.

There were only two wide receivers chosen in the first round in April -- [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13216"][color="#225fb2"]Demaryius Thomas[/color][/url] (taken by Denver at No. 22) and [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13215"][color="#225fb2"]Dez Bryant[/color][/url] (taken by Dallas at No. 24) -- and that represents the third fewest of this millennium. Not every draft, of course, features so few first-round wideouts; there were seven first-rounders in 2004 and six each in 2009 and 2007. But five of the past 10 drafts have included three or fewer wide receivers taken in the first round, and two of the past three had two or fewer. In the 2008 draft, no wide receivers were chosen in the opening round.

Part of the reason is that so many wide receivers chosen outside of the first round have posted solid campaigns as rookies. Another factor: For whatever reason, first-round wide receivers have historically faltered in their initial seasons and have not immediately provided good return on the lucrative investments made in them.

In the past 10 years, seven of the players who led the NFL or were tied for the lead in catches by a rookie wide receiver were chosen after the first round. That includes three of the past four seasons.

"I think the mentality is that every wide receiver feels he's a first-rounder," said the Bucs' Williams, the former Syracuse star who was a first-round talent but slipped to the fourth round because of some off-field problems in college. "So when those guys aren't taken then in the first round, they feel like they have to step up and show people. There's definitely something to prove."

Said Benn, who was Williams' roommate for Tampa Bay's recent minicamp, and who was regarded by several scouts as a first-round prospect: "You come in, not with a chip on your shoulder, but a boulder."

Both the Bucs' rookies could conceivably start this season, and there seems little doubt that Benn and Williams will be starters at some point in 2010.

They are hardly the only wide receivers chosen after the first round expected to be significant contributors as rookies.

[url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13217"][color="#225fb2"]Golden Tate[/color][/url] (Round 2) is expected to be a playmaker for a [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=sea"][color="#225fb2"]Seattle Seahawks[/color][/url] team that ranked 30th in passing offense in 2009, and had only four completions of 40 yards or more, second fewest in the league. [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12594"][color="#225fb2"]Jordan Shipley[/color][/url] (Round 3) could be the [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=cin"][color="#225fb2"]Cincinnati Bengals[/color][/url]' slot receiver. The [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=den"][color="#225fb2"]Denver Broncos[/color][/url]' [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13271"][color="#225fb2"]Eric Decker[/color][/url] (Round 3), the [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=phi"][color="#225fb2"]Philadelphia Eagles[/color][/url]' [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13225"][color="#225fb2"]Riley Cooper[/color][/url] (Round 5) and the [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=cle"][color="#225fb2"]Cleveland Browns[/color][/url]' [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13222"][color="#225fb2"]Carlton Mitchell[/color][/url] (Round 6) could be regulars in their teams' wide receiver rotations.

In fact, all [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/rounds/_/round/3/year/2010"][color="#225fb2"]eight of the wide receivers chosen in the third round[/color][/url] could end up playing significant roles for their franchises. Five franchises each took two or more wide receivers after the third round two months ago, and most of them are expected to land roster spots as rookies.

The [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=car"][color="#225fb2"]Carolina Panthers[/color][/url], who want to rebuild their receiving corps around four-time Pro Bowl performer [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2622"][color="#225fb2"]Steve Smith[/color][/url] (who broke his arm last weekend in a game of flag football), grabbed a pair of wideouts, [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12576"][color="#225fb2"]Brandon LaFell[/color][/url] of LSU and converted quarterback [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13275"][color="#225fb2"]Armanti Edwards[/color][/url] of Appalachian State, in the third round.

"We're counting on those guys [for 2010]," acknowledged Carolina general manager Marty Hurney.

One of the game's most electrifying wide receivers, Smith himself was a third-round choice in 2001.

The league is filled with wide receivers who were chosen later than the second or even third round, and who made their marks. Of the 29 wide receivers who had 30 or more catches as rookies in the past three years, 10 were chosen in the fourth round or later. Five of the 21 wide receivers who had 500 or more yards as rookies were taken in the fourth round or later.

"Guys who aren't first-rounders come in so motivated and ready to prove people wrong," Mike Williams said. "Once they learn the playbook, it's like, 'OK, let's just play ball now.' They're hungry. Like me. I'm not just hungry, I'm starving, man."




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[quote name='BengalsOwn' date='26 June 2010 - 01:05 PM' timestamp='1277571930' post='894814']
If you had any common sense, you would know that success in college does not equal success in the NFL...

[b]There's a reason he went in the 6th round.[/b]
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Yeah, because six rounders never pan out do they? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Tell that shit to Brady, Colston, hell, even Bscott.

I guess, you would rather have a guy that sat the bench for four years, rather than the guy that started every year. If posting dumb shit was art, you would be Michealangelo!!

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So what your saying, [b]with 100% certainty[/b], is that Mike Brown pulled a fast one on the rest of the league, and that Briscoe is going to be a great NFL player. That's fine to say something like that about a player who you almost certainly know only from a few numbers and youtube videos, but it makes you look like an idiot, is all.
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[quote name='#22' date='26 June 2010 - 11:48 AM' timestamp='1277567303' post='894809']
Every team in the NFL had access to Youtube, though. How did such a stud drop so low?

I always hate this assumption that our 6th round picks are going to be better than other team's 2nd round picks, or that infatuation people have with new draft picks over last year's picks. This year's 6th round pick will be forgotten just like last year's late round picks, usually.

Somebody give me 3 ways that Briscoe is better than Freddie Brown. Remember him?
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Everybody loves a sale.

There are countless guys that come the 6th round or lower and carve out good NFL careers. The number that flames out in 2/3 seasons is about 20 times greater. It's just the way it is.
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[quote name='#22' date='26 June 2010 - 03:33 PM' timestamp='1277580833' post='894827']
So what your saying, [b]with 100% certainty[/b], is that Mike Brown pulled a fast one on the rest of the league, and that Briscoe is going to be a great NFL player. That's fine to say something like that about a player who you almost certainly know only from a few numbers and youtube videos, but it makes you look like an idiot, is all.
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Do I speak greek, dickwad? I never said anything about 100% certainty. What I do know is that Briscoe put up comparable numbers to Bryant in the same conference, and that most of the talent evaluators figured he would go no later than the third round and we got him in the sixth. For some reason, that seems like a good thing to me.Now I do believe there is an idiot posting,and I'd suggest that if you want a good look, you should find a mirror.
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[quote name='kennethmw' date='26 June 2010 - 04:14 PM' timestamp='1277583254' post='894831']
Do I speak greek, dickwad? I never said anything about 100% certainty. What I do know is that Briscoe put up comparable numbers to Bryant in the same conference, and that most of the talent evaluators figured he would go no later than the third round and we got him in the sixth. For some reason, that seems like a good thing to me.Now I do believe there is an idiot posting,and I'd suggest that if you want a good look, you should find a mirror.
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Wow...you are really burning me up with the witty retort, so I'll just assume that you know more than every fucking GM in the league, like you seem to think you do, and leave it at that. Sorry to have wasted your time.

sharm restated my point pretty elegantly, though:
[quote]There are countless guys that come the 6th round or lower and carve out good NFL careers. The number that flames out in 2/3 seasons is about 20 times greater. It's just the way it is.[/quote]
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[quote name='Missya15' date='26 June 2010 - 03:35 PM' timestamp='1277584537' post='894834']
There is also a reason why t.j went in the 6th and he still made the roster. So chill people,just cause ur drafted late doesnt mean u suck,but if he works hard and comes and give it his all,he will be something special
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Housh was a 7th rounder actually.
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[quote name='#22' date='26 June 2010 - 05:13 PM' timestamp='1277586821' post='894837']
Wow...you are really burning me up with the witty retort, so I'll just assume that you know more than every fucking GM in the league, like you seem to think you do, and leave it at that. Sorry to have wasted your time.

sharm restated my point pretty elegantly, though:
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You don't have to assume that, you just have to assume that I know more than your dumb ass. I think they have a book that you might want to read, however. It's called "Football for Asswipes."
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[quote name='#22' date='26 June 2010 - 08:48 AM' timestamp='1277567303' post='894809']
Every team in the NFL had access to Youtube, though. How did such a stud drop so low?

I always hate this assumption that our 6th round picks are going to be better than other team's 2nd round picks, or that infatuation people have with new draft picks over last year's picks. This year's 6th round pick will be forgotten just like last year's late round picks, usually.

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2009 - Bernard Scott/Morgan Trent - both made the team
2008 - Corey Lynch/Matt Sherry - Lynch made the team Sherry was PS or IR
2007 - Matt Toeiana - PSed, was snatched by the Bears
2006 - Reggie MacNeal - made the team
2005 - Tab Perry - made the team
2004 - Gregg Brooks - made the team
2003 - Langston Moore - made the team

This is indication enough that Briscoe will make the squad for a year or so
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[url="http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=nfl&id=5582"]Dezmon Briscoe[/url] - WRJun. 25 - 12:04 pm et

[img]http://www.rotoworld.com/images/pixel.gif[/img][img]http://www.rotoworld.com/images/pixel.gif[/img][img]http://www.rotoworld.com/images/pixel.gif[/img]Bengals agreed to terms with sixth-round WR Dezmon Briscoe on a multi-year contract.
Briscoe offers ideal size and plus leaping ability in addition to elite college production, but his stock slipped due to a slow forty time at the Combine. The Bengals are suddenly deep at receiver, and Briscoe missed the majority of OTAs with a groin injury. He's ticketed for the practice squad unless he opens eyes in preseason action.


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[quote name='Oldcat' date='25 June 2010 - 05:48 PM' timestamp='1277506116' post='894754']
Remember Big Toe?

And he wasn't even from a position like WR where teams think we are stocked.

It's not an empty fear.
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Its also not a reasonable fear. Especially late in camp. Its a possibility. But there is a reason he went in Round 6.
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[quote name='bengalbutch' date='25 June 2010 - 07:26 PM' timestamp='1277511990' post='894763']
I agree, some team will take a chance on him if he's cut. Didn't we lose Corey Lynch and someone else of the PS last season ?
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Lose is a strong word. If my recollection is correct someone is on the practice squad we have in essence a right of first refusal and can add them first if we want. In those times we make a decision that we don't want them.
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[quote name='MichaelWeston' date='29 June 2010 - 10:47 PM' timestamp='1277866079' post='895270']
Lose is a strong word. If my recollection is correct someone is on the practice squad we have in essence a right of first refusal and can add them first if we want. In those times we make a decision that we don't want them.
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I don't think teams do have the right of first refusal. Remember Toeaina? We didn't want to lose him and tried to get a hold of him before he signed with Chicago.
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