oldschooler Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 [size="5"][b]Lewis: Proceeding like no Palmer[/b] [/size]By GEOFF HOBSON Updated: 1:25 p.m. INDIANAPOLIS - Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis said Friday here at the NFL Scouting Combine that the club is proceeding as if it won't have [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/carson-palmer/b2e2fb04-af84-4af9-9491-5c1dd3354623/"]Carson Palmer[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/url] at quarterback in 2011. Lewis said he has talked to Palmer since Palmer requested a trade and it has been reported that he'll retire if it's not granted. "All I know is what I've been told," Lewis said. Palmer's agent, David Dunn, in town for the NFL agents' annual meeting, was seen sitting with Lewis Thursday night at a downtown restaurant. But as Dunn left he had no comment, as he has since last month's statement in which his client called for a separation from the Bengals. The Bengals also seem to be sticking to their plans not to trade Palmer with four years left on his deal. But that doesn't seem to be stopping them from interviewing the top quarterback prospects Thursday and Friday. [url="http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Lewis-Proceeding-like-no-Palmer/161334d1-efa4-4e5b-982d-cbe1ebea81ed"]http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Lewis-Proceeding-like-no-Palmer/161334d1-efa4-4e5b-982d-cbe1ebea81ed[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkywestside Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I think Palmer is being traded.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigris Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Wouldn't it be some shit if we traded him to Oakland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted February 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 [b][color="#3b5998"]3 minutes ago[/color][/b] - Marvin Lewis said he doesn't know if his opening day starter at QB is currently on the roster, according to the team's web site. This is the first time he's publicly displayed legitimate concern that [url="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/player/396173/carson-palmer"][color="#3b5998"]Carson Palmer[/color][/url] will follow through on his retirement threat. [color="#3b5998"]Bengals RapidReports[/color] [b][color="#3b5998"]9 minutes ago[/color][/b] - Marvin Lewis said the team is talking to DB [url="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/player/518581/johnathan-joseph"][color="#3b5998"]Johnathan Joseph[/color][/url] and RB [url="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/player/406400/cedric-benson"][color="#3b5998"]Cedric Benson[/color][/url] about getting a contract done before March 4, according to the Bengals web site. [color="#3b5998"]Bengals RapidReports[/color] [b][color="#3b5998"]11 minutes ago[/color][/b] - Speaking at the NFL Combine, Marvin Lewis said he is going forward into the combine and offseason as if [url="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/player/396173/carson-palmer"][color="#3b5998"]Carson Palmer[/color][/url] isn't going to be with the Bengals. He said he plans on interviewing quarterbacks, including Cam Newton, on Friday night. [color="#3b5998"]Bengals RapidReports[/color] [url="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/team/CIN"]http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/team/CIN[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted February 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 The Bengals are planning to [url="http://twitter.com/#!/Bengals/statuses/41200464339025920"][b][color="#d8431a"]interview quarterback Cam Newton on Friday[/color][/b][/url]. And according to The Cincinnati Enquirer's Joe Reedy, the Bengals are also [url="http://twitter.com/#!/joereedy/statuses/41202216148799488"][b][color="#d8431a"]talking to Blaine Gabbert[/color][/b][/url] and "other juniors", who we can only assume to include Arkansas' Ryan Mallett. Now we know that the team is taking Palmer's threat seriously to the point that they're doing due-diligence to draft a quarterback to replace the franchise quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 [quote name='Tigris' timestamp='1298659882' post='972889'] Wouldn't it be some shit if we traded him to Oakland? [/quote] Hue came out yesterday and said Jason Campbell will be the starting QB, so I doubt there's been much by way of talks with the Raiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 maybe its me reading it wrong, but to me it sounds like Marvin refused to confirm that Carson has threatened to retire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Tigers Johnson| Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 [quote name='Bengals1181' timestamp='1298660401' post='972895'] maybe its me reading it wrong, but to me it sounds like Marvin refused to confirm that Carson has threatened to retire. [/quote] I am sure he did... it really is his only bargaining card. If he retires, we know he really didn't love the game enough anymore anyways..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 [quote name='Tigers Johnson' timestamp='1298660580' post='972897'] I am sure he did... it really is his only bargaining card. If he retires, we know he really didn't love the game enough anymore anyways..... [/quote] probably true, I've just seen him use the line "All I know is what I've been told" in the past when he didn't want to confirm something out there in the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkywestside Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 [quote name='Bengals1181' timestamp='1298660401' post='972895'] maybe its me reading it wrong, but to me it sounds like Marvin refused to confirm that Carson has threatened to retire. [/quote] The key I think is when Marvin said, "All I know is what I've been told." Doesn't seem any reporter asked.. What then were you told? And by whom. I think Marvin knows what's up and he's going forward and I think he knows Carson has been or will be traded once the CBA is agreed upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USN Bengal Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 [quote name='Tigris' timestamp='1298659882' post='972889'] Wouldn't it be some shit if we traded him to Oakland? [/quote] Trade him and Chad to Oakland and let them "find their excellence elsewhere" with Hue Jackson. I like Jackson and want to see him succeed, and we can move forward as a franchise. Let's face it, if Palmer doesn't want to be here then there's not much left to be said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted February 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 [b][url="http://twitter.com/joereedy"][color="#0a0501"]joereedy[/color][/url][/b] [url=""][color="#0a0501"] [/color][/url] Marvin being pelted with montages of [url="http://twitter.com/search?q=%23bengals"][color="#0a0501"]#bengals[/color][/url] misery while doing an interview on NFL Network [url="http://twitter.com/joereedy/status/41222939445559296"][color="#0a0501"]9 minutes ago[/color][/url] via web Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah15 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 wtf are we doing with blaine gabbert.... we dont need him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted February 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 [b][url="http://cincinnati.com/blogs/bengals/2011/02/25/lewis-readying-for-life-without-palmer/"][size="5"]Lewis readying for life without Palmer[/size][/url][size="5"] [/size][/b] [b]2:33 pm, Feb 25, 2011 | Written by [email="jreedy@enquirer.com"]jreedy[/email] [/b] There is one defined course that Marvin Lewis is taking as he prepares for the 2011 season (whenever it begins) — Carson Palmer is not going to be around. When asked during Friday's hour-long session with Cincinnati reporters if his quarterback for the upcoming season is presently on the roster, Lewis said: "I don't know that. All I know is what's been said. You just have to take it from what we know. That's the way I'm proceeding." Lewis did say that he has talked recently with Palmer but would not discuss the nature of those conversations. Lewis was also spotted Thursday night speaking with Palmer's agent, David Dunn, at an Indianapolis restaurant. With the uncertainty with Palmer continuing, a [b][url="http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20110224/SPT02/102250365"]quarterback with the fourth pick could be an option[/url][/b] even though Lewis said that they are not approaching the draft any different. One of the players though that Lewis will talk to for 15 minutes on Friday night is Heisman Trophy winner Cam Newton. They will also talk to Missouri's Blaine Gabbert and most juniors rated highly in their position groups. (Click the link for the entire article) [url="http://cincinnati.com/blogs/bengals/2011/02/25/lewis-readying-for-life-without-palmer/"]http://cincinnati.com/blogs/bengals/2011/02/25/lewis-readying-for-life-without-palmer/[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I just can't see a QB at #4 unless they've already got a trade in place for Carson. No way to they draft a QB there if Carson is back (obviously), and no way do they take one there if they are going to let him threaten to retire. They wouldn't risk having two big contracts at the QB position if Carson decided to report to camp. They'd be fucked sideways, and they know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted February 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 [size="5"][b]Marvin Lewis on Bengals' bad year: "It's my fault"[/b] [/size]Posted by Michael David Smith on February 25, 2011, 3:00 PM EST Terrell Owens thinks the Bengals' problem in 2010 was that [url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/19/terrell-owens-on-bengals-problems-we-didnt-have-the-coaching/"][color="#d81718"]they didn't have good coaching[/color][/url]. It turns out that Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis thinks Owens is right."I don't think I did a very good job — it's my fault," Lewis said today on NFL Network. "I didn't do a good enough job. I didn't get our guys in a position to win the football game." Lewis also hinted, however, that he didn't think his two big-name receivers, Owens and Chad Ochocinco, did a particularly good job, saying that Ochocinco didn't have one of his better seasons and that Owens is likely to leave as a free agent. "I think when you're playing NFL football, your best players have to win the game by making plays," Lewis said. As for Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer, who has said he wants to be traded and would rather retire than return to Cincinnati, Lewis doesn't seem to think Palmer will get his wish. "I know my boss and owner is not going to trade him, so we just have to move forward," Lewis said. "We're going to put the football team together based on that. . . . I don't know what will happen with Carson in the future." [url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/25/marvin-lewis-on-bengals-bad-year-its-my-fault/"]http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/25/marvin-lewis-on-bengals-bad-year-its-my-fault/[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted February 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Updated article ... [size="5"][b]Lewis: Proceeding like no Palmer[/b] [/size]By GEOFF HOBSON Updated: 2:50 p.m. INDIANAPOLIS_ Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis says he has spoken with quarterback [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/carson-palmer/b2e2fb04-af84-4af9-9491-5c1dd3354623/"][color="#f04e23"]Carson Palmer[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/color][/url] since his trade-me-or-mothball-me request and he indicated the club is proceeding like they won't have him. Palmer confirmed last month he asked Bengals president Mike Brown about a trade and it has been reported he'll retire if the request isn't granted. Asked if his starting 2011 quarterback is on his roster, Lewis said Friday here at the NFL scouting combine, "I don't know that. All I know is what's been said. I just get to take it from what we know, from what I've been told, what's been said. That's the way I'm proceeding." Palmer's agent, David Dunn, in town for the NFL agents' annual meeting, was seen sitting with Lewis Thursday night at a downtown restaurant. But as Dunn left he had no comment, as he has since the Jan. 24 statement in which his client called for a separation from the Bengals. The Bengals also seem to be sticking to their plans not to trade Palmer with four years left on his deal. But that doesn't seem to be stopping them from interviewing the top quarterback prospects this week. Lewis said the club is interviewing Auburn Heisman Trophy winner Cam Newton Friday night. But he said since they are picking No. 4, they would have interviewed Newton anyway without the Palmer situation. "You have to see if he's got the value of the fourth pick," Lewis said. Lewis clearly is uncomfortable with Newton's vow to be an entertainer and icon. He is just as clearly tired of wide receiver [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/chad-ochocinco/09ddc7d1-e507-4a75-ab2b-f6f17723cbf8/"][color="#f04e23"]Chad Ochocinco[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/color][/url]'s same stated aim. "I've got to find out. I've got to see what he says," Lewis said. "You have to be a football player first." Lewis also said Friday the club is talking to cornerback [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/johnathan-joseph/1cab22b0-ee96-4888-859d-0b246e57308b/"][color="#f04e23"]Johnathan Joseph[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/color][/url] and running back [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/cedric-benson/4b42e3bf-7831-490c-97e2-523f8d4d2291/"][color="#f04e23"]Cedric Benson[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/color][/url] in the hopes of reaching deals before the collective bargaining agreement expires March 4. In an effort to keep peace with the league, Lewis refused to address issues surrounding the CBA uncertainty. He did say he expects cornerback Adam Jones, rehabbing from surgery for a herniated neck disk, to be ready by the start of training camp. He's not as sure about right tackle [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/andre-smith/5796e85d-6992-4b91-9630-fde615747967/"][color="#f04e23"]Andre Smith[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/color][/url], rehabbing from foot surgery, but he's hopeful. [url="http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Lewis-Proceeding-like-no-Palmer/161334d1-efa4-4e5b-982d-cbe1ebea81ed"]http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Lewis-Proceeding-like-no-Palmer/161334d1-efa4-4e5b-982d-cbe1ebea81ed[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USN Bengal Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 [quote name='Missya15' timestamp='1298664226' post='972924'] wtf are we doing with blaine gabbert.... we dont need him [/quote] If we don't have Palmer, we need a QB. What are the chances we trade for one of the better back-ups out there (Kolb, Orton, ???)... or do we draft our QB of the future? You question Gabbert, so here is a take on him; http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andrew_perloff/02/25/cam-newton-blaine-gabbert/index.html?xid=cnnbin&hpt=Sbin Five reasons why Gabbert will be drafted higher than Newton Longtime NFL draft expert Gil Brandt shook up everyone's pre-combine rankings this week by saying it would "shock" him if Auburn quarterback Cam Newton wasn't the No. 1 overall pick. While his reasoning makes sense -- a quarterback has gone in the top spot eight out of the past 10 years -- he may have the wrong player. While Newton is obviously talented, he's made some moves that could hurt his draft status this offseason. Meanwhile, another quarterback, Missouri's Blaine Gabbert, has been moving around the top 10 of the high-profile mock drafts, and could rise closer to the top. Here are five reasons I believe Gabbert will end up going higher than Newton: 1. Gabbert is the only quarterback not throwing at the combine. Gabbert is following the CAA formula. Tom Condon's powerful agency typically doesn't let its quarterbacks throw and they usually end up going very high. CAA has represented six of the past seven No. 1 overall picks, including four QBs (Sam Bradford, Matthew Stafford, Alex Smith and Eli Manning). They're very smart about how they prepare players and limiting access to teams who are hungry to pick them apart. The combine is designed to make players uncomfortable. Players have a lot to do in a short time, and they may not get the footballs or receivers they like for throwing drills. Teams would probably love to see Gabbert throw in Indy, but quarterbacks with enough clout have avoided throwing in Indy for over a decade. The combine is all about punching holes in players. The less evidence teams gather, the less damage. So why is Newton exposing himself at the combine? Possibly because he put on that media-only workout in San Diego on Feb. 11. If he showed his skills there, how can he not let the teams see him up close and personal? Newton may very well blow everyone away in Indy. But there's a risk he'll make some mistakes. Even if he does well, teams have a lot more material to study and that's usually not good for prospects. 2. Newton has not come off as a dedicated football player. Newton told reporters he wants to be an "entertainer and an icon." Teams are looking to see if players love football. If they ask a player his hobbies, the right answer would be football, football and more football. How can his advisors let him talk about non-football interests? Newton also signed what is reportedly the biggest shoe deal ever for a rookie with Under Armour and other lucrative marketing deals. Newton is cashing in on his Heisman Trophy and a great personality. But it's hard enough to make sure a No. 1 overall pick is a team-first guy. Fair or not, Newton is creating a perception he's bigger than the team. 3. The Newton interview conondrum. Teams will ask Newton if he knew what his father Cecil was doing during his recruitment. He can say no, but some teams will doubt his sincerity. He can say yes, but a large group of NFL executives will have to hold on to a really big secret. An agent told me he advises players to always tell the truth. Because if a team asks a question, they already know the answer. They just want to test the players' reaction. No one has uncovered evidence Cam knew anything about his father's actions. But NFL teams don't have the same burden of proof as the NCAA and probably have already made up their minds on what happened. These are tricky waters for Newton because either direction is fraught with complications. If he maintains his innocence, he could actually look worse to some teams. Regardless of what actually happened, these are tricky waters for Newton. He's stuck between a rock and a hard place. 4. Teams don't care about a quarterback's running ability. Newton's arm strength is well established, but with just one season as the starter at Auburn, he has no body of work to prove he's a polished passer. If you're evaluating him against Gabbert and you take running ability completely out of the mix, the comparison looks a lot different. Newton threw 20 passes a game last season. Gabbert threw over 36 passes per game. Despite the success of Michael Vick in Philadelphia last season, teams really don't want their quarterbacks taking off. As brilliant as Vick was, his scrambling ability became increasingly less effective as the season wore on and defenses adjusted. Passing is the only formula for sustained long-term offensive success. Most of the elite quarterbacks can't run downfield -- Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, etc. Aaron Rodgers does scramble, but it doesn't make him a more valuable quarterback. He ran two times for -2 yards against Pittsburgh en route to a Super Bowl MVP. 5. College success is overrated. "He's a proven winner in college" doesn't mean much in the NFL. National titles and Heisman trophies don't translate to success. Football is the ultimate team sport and too many factors go into winning in college. If teams were really focused on records, TCU's Andy Dalton and Boise State Kellen Moore (had he declared eligible for the draft), would be in the mix as the top guy. 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cincity Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I actually like this thinking. On the Palmer and the two URA's. Shows me they are TRYING to foward think, and not get caught with their pants down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted February 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Updated again ... [size="5"][b]Lewis: Proceeding like no Palmer[/b] [/size]By GEOFF HOBSON Updated: 3:40 p.m. INDIANAPOLIS - Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis says he has spoken with quarterback [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/carson-palmer/b2e2fb04-af84-4af9-9491-5c1dd3354623/"][color="#f04e23"]Carson Palmer[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/color][/url] since his trade-me-or-mothball-me request and he indicated the club is proceeding like it won't have him. Palmer confirmed last month he asked Bengals president Mike Brown about a trade and it has been reported he'll retire if the request isn't granted. Asked if his starting 2011 quarterback is on his roster, Lewis said Friday here at the NFL scouting combine, "I don't know that. All I know is what's been said. I just get to take it from what we know, from what I've been told, what's been said. That's the way I'm proceeding." Palmer's agent, David Dunn, in town for the NFL agents' annual meeting, was seen sitting with Lewis Thursday night at a downtown restaurant. But as Dunn left he had no comment, as he has since the Jan. 24 statement in which his client called for a separation from the Bengals. The Bengals also seem to be sticking to their plans not to trade Palmer with four years left on his deal. But that doesn't seem to be stopping them from interviewing the top quarterback prospects this week. Lewis said the club is interviewing Auburn Heisman Trophy winner Cam Newton Friday night. "I think Mike made statements on that stuff," Lewis said of a possible trade and if it was different than wide receiver [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/chad-ochocinco/09ddc7d1-e507-4a75-ab2b-f6f17723cbf8/"][color="#f04e23"]Chad Ochocinco[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/color][/url]'s 2008 trade demand. "I don't even know what he said. I'm just aware he made statements, so I'm not going to spend time or waste our fans' time to talk about speculation about No. 1, what Chad said in the past or what this guy said at this time. I just have no answer for you with that." But he said since the Bengals are picking No. 4, they would have interviewed Newton anyway without the Palmer situation. "You have to see if he's got the value of the fourth pick," Lewis said. Lewis clearly is uncomfortable with Newton's vow to be an entertainer and icon. He is just as clearly tired of Ochocinco's same stated aim. "I've got to find out. I've got to see what he says," Lewis said. "You have to be a football player first." While many believe The Ocho has caught his last pass as a Bengal, on Thursday Lewis continued to say "he's got another year on his contract," and contined to dig him that he wants more from the club's all-time leading receiver. The Ocho got upset late last season at Lewis when he didn't think his public comments took into account he was hobbled by bone spurs his ankle, and Lewis hasn't backed off. "Chad didn't have as strong a year as I hoped he would have had," Lewis said. "He didn't finish because of injury, he didn't finish as well and he had a chance right there at the end to keep going, but he wasn't able to do that the last three or four games. He didn't have a quick start to the season and he kind of got it going because coverage began to shift a little bit. "As I say many timers, all the time the receiver's role is dictated by what goes on. They're not as in control of the game as they think they are. If I want to go out there, I can shut out any receiver I want. Any defensive coach can. It's easy." Lewis also said Friday the club is talking to cornerback [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/johnathan-joseph/1cab22b0-ee96-4888-859d-0b246e57308b/"][color="#f04e23"]Johnathan Joseph[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/color][/url] and running back [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/cedric-benson/4b42e3bf-7831-490c-97e2-523f8d4d2291/"][color="#f04e23"]Cedric Benson[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/color][/url] in the hopes of reaching deals before the collective bargaining agreement expires March 4. In an effort to keep peace with the league, Lewis refused to address issues surrounding the CBA uncertainty. He did say he expects cornerback Adam Jones, rehabbing from surgery for a herniated neck disk, to be ready by the start of training camp. He's not as sure about right tackle [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/andre-smith/5796e85d-6992-4b91-9630-fde615747967/"][color="#f04e23"]Andre Smith[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/color][/url], rehabbing from foot surgery, but he's hopeful. [url="http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Lewis-Proceeding-like-no-Palmer/161334d1-efa4-4e5b-982d-cbe1ebea81ed"]http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Lewis-Proceeding-like-no-Palmer/161334d1-efa4-4e5b-982d-cbe1ebea81ed[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted February 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 [url="http://www.bengals.com/media-lounge/videos/NFL-Network-Marvin-Lewis-Interview-22511/c85dc81d-9f5d-4da4-98be-29b61fc226b9#?id=c85dc81d-9f5d-4da4-98be-29b61fc226b9"][img]http://prod.static.bengals.clubs.nfl.com/assets/images/imported/NFLVideo/2011/02-February/09000d5d81e7a406_video_player_cp--nfl_thumb_105_70.jpg[/img] [/url][url="http://www.bengals.com/media-lounge/videos/NFL-Network-Marvin-Lewis-Interview-22511/c85dc81d-9f5d-4da4-98be-29b61fc226b9#?id=c85dc81d-9f5d-4da4-98be-29b61fc226b9"]NFL Network: Marvin Lewis Interview (2/25/11)[/url] (5:39) Posted 02/25/11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyrid Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 [b] 4. Teams don't care about a quarterback's running ability.[/b] Newton's arm strength is well established, but with just one season as the starter at Auburn, he has no body of work to prove he's a polished passer. If you're evaluating him against Gabbert and you take running ability completely out of the mix, the comparison looks a lot different. Newton threw 20 passes a game last season. Gabbert threw over 36 passes per game. Despite the success of Michael Vick in Philadelphia last season, teams really don't want their quarterbacks taking off. As brilliant as Vick was, his scrambling ability became increasingly less effective as the season wore on and defenses adjusted. Passing is the only formula for sustained long-term offensive success. Most of the elite quarterbacks can't run downfield -- Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, etc. [b]Aaron Rodgers does scramble, but it doesn't make him a more valuable quarterback.[/b] He ran two times for -2 yards against Pittsburgh en route to a Super Bowl MVP. Okay, I completely disagree with this. Maybe teams don't want or need a QB to rush for 800 yards a season, but mobility is a HUGE deal for a QB. Rodgers and Rothlisberger are 2 of the most mobile QBs in the league and neither team would have made the Super Bowl had it not been for their QBs ability to elude the pass rush and make plays. Obviously passing is more important, but if Gabbert and Newton are close at all on the other QB factors, Newton's mobility will make him the higher pick and better NFL QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khatmandude Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 [quote name='happyrid' timestamp='1298668327' post='972945'] [b] 4. Teams don't care about a quarterback's running ability.[/b] Newton's arm strength is well established, but with just one season as the starter at Auburn, he has no body of work to prove he's a polished passer. If you're evaluating him against Gabbert and you take running ability completely out of the mix, the comparison looks a lot different. Newton threw 20 passes a game last season. Gabbert threw over 36 passes per game. Despite the success of Michael Vick in Philadelphia last season, teams really don't want their quarterbacks taking off. As brilliant as Vick was, his scrambling ability became increasingly less effective as the season wore on and defenses adjusted. Passing is the only formula for sustained long-term offensive success. Most of the elite quarterbacks can't run downfield -- Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, etc. [b]Aaron Rodgers does scramble, but it doesn't make him a more valuable quarterback.[/b] He ran two times for -2 yards against Pittsburgh en route to a Super Bowl MVP. Okay, I completely disagree with this. Maybe teams don't want or need a QB to rush for 800 yards a season, but mobility is a HUGE deal for a QB. Rodgers and Rothlisberger are 2 of the most mobile QBs in the league and neither team would have made the Super Bowl had it not been for their QBs ability to elude the pass rush and make plays. Obviously passing is more important, but if Gabbert and Newton are close at all on the other QB factors, Newton's mobility will make him the higher pick and better NFL QB. [/quote] That whole article was garbage for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 [quote name='happyrid' timestamp='1298668327' post='972945'] Okay, I completely disagree with this. Maybe teams don't want or need a QB to rush for 800 yards a season, but mobility is a HUGE deal for a QB. Rodgers and Rothlisberger are 2 of the most mobile QBs in the league and neither team would have made the Super Bowl had it not been for their QBs ability to elude the pass rush and make plays. Obviously passing is more important, but if Gabbert and Newton are close at all on the other QB factors, Newton's mobility will make him the higher pick and better NFL QB. [/quote] I agree with you. The league is moving towards QB's who can move around the pocket, extend and make plays. Both the QB's in the super bowl could are excellent at it. The year before, we saw Drew Brees and Peyton Manning who have tremendous pocket awareness. Mike Vick single-handidly made the Eagles a contender. Being able to extend the play and give your WR's time to make a play is becoming more important. And as for Marvin saying Chad didn't start great, Chad absolutely killed the Pats. But seemed to do nothing the rest of the year.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Lewis is talking like a head coach that is waiting for the front office to give him the pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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