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So what do we need to draft now?

Honestly, the way we've been playing i see only a few weaknesses.

Would love to find an AllPro RB and Safety. Maybe a better #2 WR, but Sanu looks like he's coming on big time, but he looks like more of a slot WR.

I honestly don't think we should pursue anyone in FA, just resign our guys and keep building through the draft.

I figure we'll pick around 20th or so at best, and around 34th from the raiders and then 56th with our 2nd rounder.

That's 3 more amazing talents we can add.

Right now I see our 4 biggest needs as follows.

1. Safety
2. RB
3. LB
4. CB

Am I wrong? O line really looks decent, and I don't think it really need to be improved, obviously this assumes Andre Smith is coming back, along with Mauluga.
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[quote name='Bengals1181' timestamp='1354027687' post='1185474']
while I'd still like to grab one early, the safeties have played quite well as of late.


As for #1 priority, I still think it starts and stops with linebacker.
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I agree, but can we honestly rely on Chris Crocker next season? I still have flashbacks of him trying to tackle Arian Foster in that WildCard game.

There's a couple Safeties available around where we pick, seems like all the top LB's are going to go in the top 7, Jarvis Jones and Monte Teo.

Kenny Vaccaro, seems to have his name written all over for us. I'd love us to draft Robert Woods with the Raiders pick.
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[quote name='turningpoint' timestamp='1354027964' post='1185477']
I agree, but can we honestly rely on Chris Crocker next season? I still have flashbacks of him trying to tackle Arian Foster in that WildCard game.

There's a couple Safeties available around where we pick, seems like all the top LB's are going to go in the top 7, Jarvis Jones and Monte Teo.

Kenny Vaccaro, seems to have his name written all over for us. I'd love us to draft Robert Woods with the Raiders pick.
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that's why I'd still like to draft one early. Crocker and Clements are playing well, but they're age requires a safety be taken.
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our FAs this offseason are going to be MJ, Gathers, Lawson, and Malaluga (and Nuge) I agree with 1181 LB is the top priority, however DE is a close 2nd and can see depending on value us taking a DE before a LB in the 1st. I think our 1st 3 picks need to be LB, DE, and RB in no order.

Edit: Also agree that S needs to be looked at.
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[quote name='Jamie_B' timestamp='1354029379' post='1185493']
our FAs this offseason are going to be MJ, Gathers, Lawson, and Malaluga (and Nuge) I agree with 1181 LB is the top priority, however DE is a close 2nd and can see depending on value us taking a DE before a LB in the 1st. I think our 1st 3 picks need to be LB, DE, and RB in no order.

Edit: Also agree that S needs to be looked at.
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Depends if we resign mj or not. I think we would but we don't know for sure.
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[quote name='Jamie_B' timestamp='1354029379' post='1185493']
our FAs this offseason are going to be MJ, Gathers, Lawson, and Malaluga (and Nuge) I agree with 1181 LB is the top priority, however DE is a close 2nd and can see depending on value us taking a DE before a LB in the 1st. I think our 1st 3 picks need to be LB, DE, and RB in no order.

Edit: Also agree that S needs to be looked at.
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If we keep Johnson I don't see DE as a need. Wallace Gillberry has actually played ok. Johnson and Dunlap are game changers and Geathers is meh but adequate. Plus Anderson is back next year.
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[quote name='JBandJoeyV' timestamp='1354029495' post='1185494']
Depends if we resign mj or not. I think we would but we don't know for sure.
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Well obviously, but even then I dont see us keeping both MJ and Gathers, and think if we keep 1 we still take a DE somewhere in rounds 1-4.

[quote name='MichaelWeston' timestamp='1354029570' post='1185496']
If we keep Johnson I don't see DE as a need. Wallace Gillberry has actually played ok. Johnson and Dunlap are game changers and Geathers is meh but adequate. Plus Anderson is back next year.
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Gillberry has played a role, but he is a FA too. Dunlap is a game changer, Johnson is good, but I wouldnt put him in Dunlap's league.
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[quote name='Jamie_B' timestamp='1354030125' post='1185501']
Well obviously, but even then I dont see us keeping both MJ and Gathers, and think if we keep 1 we still take a DE somewhere in rounds 1-4.



Gillberry has played a role, but he is a FA too. Dunlap is a game changer, [b]Johnson is good, but I wouldnt put him in Dunlap's league.[/b]
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But when you factor in the ability to stay healthy and consistency, I think Johnson > Dunlap.
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[quote name='gatorclaws' timestamp='1354030595' post='1185506']
But when you factor in the ability to stay healthy and consistency, I think Johnson > Dunlap.
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The health factor has merrit sure, but in terms of being a game changer no. Dunlap >>> Johnson

Now if Dunlap's health issues are behind him and he stays on the field, we arent even having this conversation.
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[quote name='Jamie_B' timestamp='1354029379' post='1185493']
our FAs this offseason are going to be MJ, Gathers, Lawson, and Malaluga (and Nuge) I agree with 1181 LB is the top priority, however DE is a close 2nd and can see depending on value us taking a DE before a LB in the 1st. I think our 1st 3 picks need to be LB, DE, and RB in no order.

Edit: Also agree that S needs to be looked at.
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I'm not saying it won't happen. But I'm not convinced they would draft a DE in 1 even if they lose MJ. There are a lot of good DEs that are second round guys, and would they use a first round pick on a guy that will play in a rotation?

As for our need at LB, I really think it depends on 2 things.

1. The ability to re-sign Maualuga
2. The health of Thomas Howard

If both look good, I would not be surprised if they do not draft a LB at all. If either or both do not go well I could easily see them draftin 1, or maybe even 2 fairly early.

I see SS and RB as legit needs. I would also like to add a CB, but only a top tier guy with elite speed.
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I agree major FA money needs to be on our own and I think success in that area will be the biggest factor for our team next year.


As for upgrades. I think RB and Ball Hawks are the biggest areas. So CB, S, RB, LB. OL depth is never a bad thing.
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[quote name='Jason' timestamp='1354030714' post='1185508']
I'm not saying it won't happen. But I'm not convinced they would draft a DE in 1 even if they lose MJ. There are a lot of good DEs that are second round guys, and would they use a first round pick on a guy that will play in a rotation?

As for our need at LB, I really think it depends on 2 things.

1. The ability to re-sign Maualuga
2. The health of Thomas Howard

If both look good, I would not be surprised if they do not draft a LB at all. If either or both do not go well I could easily see them draftin 1, or maybe even 2 fairly early.

I see SS and RB as legit needs. I would also like to add a CB, but only a top tier guy with elite speed.
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I think you miss what I am saying here.

If they lose both Gathers and MJ, then it's no longer a rotation, hell losing one of them makes it no longer a rotation.

They just drafted Dre and Resigned Hall, CB isnt a need.

Also with Rey and Votaze and Howard, your going to move Taz over to Sam? Rey and Taz are both natural MLBs, I dont think Rey stays imo, but you never know.
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[quote name='Jamie_B' timestamp='1354030880' post='1185512']
I think you miss what I am saying here.

If they lose both Gathers and MJ, then it's no longer a rotation.

They just drafted Dre and Resigned Hall, CB isnt a need.
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They would add rotational guys. As long as Zimmer is here, I think it will be a rotation.

I didn't say they needed a CB.
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[quote name='Jamie_B' timestamp='1354030683' post='1185507']
The health factor has merrit sure, but in terms of being a game changer no. Dunlap >>> Johnson

Now if Dunlap's health issues are behind him and he stays on the field, we arent even having this conversation.
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Dunlap's problem is he's only a gamechanger when he wants to be. His motor issues are definitely true.


Johnson has 8 sacks in 11 games this season going against left tackles. Dunlap has 6.5 sacks in his last 21 games going against right tackles.


Dunlap has more raw talent, but he's only a better player when he wants to be.
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Assuming for the moment we keep everyone we want to - Ray M, Geathers and MJ, Andre Smith...

RB - could use a speed guy to complement BJGE and Peerman.
LB - don't really have anyone solid at WLB, unless Howard returns at a high level. Probably could use a couple picks/FAs.
S - don't have any young developing talent in reserve, it seems.
DE - could use a young guy to work in like Thompson/Still.
WR - midround guy if anyone. Could perhaps use a KR/PR specialist to push Tate/Jones.
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[quote name='Jason' timestamp='1354030970' post='1185515']
They would add rotational guys. As long as Zimmer is here, I think it will be a rotation.

I didn't say they needed a CB.
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Sure, and I'm just saying those rotational guys could very likely come from the draft, espessally if they lose both Gathers and MJ.

[quote name='Bengals1181' timestamp='1354031028' post='1185516']
Dunlap's problem is he's only a gamechanger when he wants to be. His motor issues are definitely true.


Johnson has 8 sacks in 11 games this season going against left tackles. Dunlap has 6.5 sacks in his last 21 games going against right tackles.


Dunlap has more raw talent, but he's only a better player when he wants to be.
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Now that is an argument that I can buy, but yeah in terms of talent no way is MJ better than Dunlap.
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[quote name='coup000' timestamp='1354031450' post='1185522']
Am I the only one worried about losing Andre?
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Not for next year I'm not, if we don't resign him, we will tag him.

Long term is another discussion.
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[quote name='Jamie_B' timestamp='1354030880' post='1185512']

Also with Rey and Votaze and Howard, your going to move Taz over to Sam? Rey and Taz are both natural MLBs, I dont think Rey stays imo, but you never know.
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I think giving him the C logo this week means that they like Ray M better than this board does. And I don't think he will be hard to sign either.
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[quote name='Jamie_B' timestamp='1354030125' post='1185501']
Well obviously, but even then I dont see us keeping both MJ and Gathers, and think if we keep 1 we still take a DE somewhere in rounds 1-4.



Gillberry has played a role, but he is a FA too. Dunlap is a game changer, Johnson is good, but I wouldnt put him in Dunlap's league.
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MJ has 8 sacks this year. He is going to get paid.
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[quote name='Oldcat' timestamp='1354031603' post='1185527']
I think giving him the C logo this week means that they like Ray M better than this board does. And I don't think he will be hard to sign either.
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I dont think he would be hard to resign, and yes he has stepped his game up since being called out by Marvin, but he was playing pretty badly early on, and again when you have two guys who are both natural MLBs one with more talent imo, it makes it interesting on if you keep both or look to get guys that are more suited to SAM and WILL.

[quote name='MichaelWeston' timestamp='1354031643' post='1185529']
MJ has 8 sacks this year. He is going to get paid.
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I just worry a bit that MJ is the next Gathers in terms of that.
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[quote name='Jamie_B' timestamp='1354031537' post='1185525']
Not for next year I'm not, if we don't resign him, we will tag him.

Long term is another discussion.
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Also Wharton and Collins are viable options at RT. Not nearly to Smiths level but not horrible.

it might be time to start thinking about drafting another tackle too and moving Whit somewhere after next year.
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[quote name='MichaelWeston' timestamp='1354031789' post='1185537']
Also Wharton and Collins are viable options at RT. Not nearly to Smiths level but not horrible.

it might be time to start thinking about drafting another tackle too and moving Whit somewhere after next year.
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:lol:

You really need to give up on the moving Whit stuff, that ship isnt sailing.

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[quote name='Jamie_B' timestamp='1354031762' post='1185533']
I dont think he would be hard to resign, and yes he has stepped his game up since being called out by Marvin, but he was playing pretty badly early on, and again when you have two guys who are both natural MLBs one with more talent imo, it makes it interesting on if you keep both or look to get guys that are more suited to SAM and WILL.



I just worry a bit that MJ is the next Gathers in terms of that.
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Given how much the coaches like Geathers, I think they would be fine with that.

RayM's early season issues might have been more injury driven than we thought at the time. In the coach's spot, I'd be leery of dropping one of the 2 starter quality guys we have standing just because both are 'natural MLBs' . They played Ray out of that spot for a while without a qualm. Since Taze is playing at a high level where he is, why sweat the lables?
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