2013 NFL Combine

[alleycat]

Sadly, it may not be against the law:

 

Twelve states, over one hundred local governments, and the District of Columbia^[6] have passed statutes that forbid discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation; also, the Employment Non-Discrimination Act would allegedly make sexuality a protected class, but this bill has yet to pass Congress.

[akiliMVP]

I got asked if I ever had sex with an animal during a polygraph 

[Jason]

I got asked if I ever had sex with an animal during a polygraph 

 

How did you get out of that one?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:lol:

[akiliMVP]

How did you get out of that one?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:lol:

Apparently sea creatures don't count!

[HairOnFire]

 And to think I once thought the guy who dreamed about eating a piece of fish was wierd.

[JBandJoeyV]

I heard that it has something to do with the CBA that makes it so normal laws such as in this case aren't applicable. Pft had an article on it.

[scharm]

Best part about Hopkins, he took the $300 gift card he got from his bowl game and donated it to an elementary school.

 

In some circles that's called regifting.

[scharm]

Saw on the news this morning one of the teams asked one of the players "do you like girls"

 

I'd bet it was Te'o

 

Standard question asked every year.

 

 

Ben's answer was:  I not only like them I love them, I got have them at any cost. 

[scharm]

Does it really? Maybe I am forgetting. It doesn't matter if they are called a job interview or not. If they are using the answers of some of those questions to decided whether or not to hire/sign/draft it's illegal.

 

They aren't preventing him work in the NFL, I guess. 

[spicoli]

NFL Combine Fallers

Wednesday, February 27, 2013

 

This is a rundown of 10 players who hurt their draft stock with underwhelming or poor testing at the 2013 NFL Scouting Combine.

 

1. Georgia LB Jarvis Jones -- Jones raised immediate red flags by forgoing his entire Combine workout, before the bottom all but fell out during medical exams. Tests confirmed Jones has a narrowing of his spine between the C4 and C5 vertebrae, and numerous teams have now removed him from their draft boards. Much like Da'Quan Bowers two years ago, Jones enters the decision-making portion of "draft season" with off-the-charts college production but major health concerns. It's not out of the question that Jones falls deep into the first round, or out of it entirely.

 

Realistic Landing Spots: 49ers at No. 31, Ravens at No. 32, Eagles at No. 35.

 

2. LSU DE Sam Montgomery -- Montgomery turned in a fine workout -- 4.81 forty and 34 1/2-inch vertical jump at 6-foot-3, 262 -- but his media interview was the most ill-advised in recent Combine memory. Not only did he throw teammate Barkevious Mingo under the bus by admitting the two regularly placed pricey bets in college, Montgomery told reporters he used to take off games versus weaker opponents. Not plays off. Entire games. USA Today's Tony Pauline subsequently reported LSU's coaches are "slamming" Montgomery to curious NFL teams.

 

Realistic Landing Spots: Dolphins at No. 82, Bengals at No. 84, Broncos at No. 90.

 

3. Ohio State DT Johnathan Hankins -- The arrow was already pointing down on Hankins after a highly disappointing 2012 season. His stock will fall further following a painfully sluggish Combine. After weighing in at 6-foot-3 and a sloppy 320, Hankins ranked 34th-of-37 D-Linemen in both the forty (5.31) and vertical (26"), 33rd in the ten-yard split (1.82), and 25th-of-33 participants in the three-cone drill (7.59). Hankins is carrying 320 pounds, but the numbers suggest he doesn't carry it well. Once a consensus first-rounder, it would be surprising at this point if Hankins cracked the top 32.

 

Realistic Landing Spots: Packers at No. 55, Texans at No. 57, 49ers at No. 61.

 

4. Stanford RB Stepfan Taylor -- Taylor's lack of short-area burst is evident on game tape, and he was exposed as a below-average all-around athlete in Indianapolis. In the forty-yard dash, 5-foot-9, 214-pound Taylor ran a fullbackish 4.76 to rank 27th-of-33 running back participants. His 1.64 ten-yard split came in 26th. 32 running backs performed the vertical and broad jumps, and Taylor's marks of 30 inches and 9-foot-2 came in 29th and 30th, respectively. Taylor's 8 5/8-inch hands are also quite small for a ball carrier. He has the measurables of an undrafted free agent.

 

Realistic Landing Spots: Packers, Chargers, Bucs in the seventh round.

 

5. Texas A&M DE Damontre Moore -- If Moore had any designs on going in the top-15 picks, his Combine might prove disastrous. Despite weighing in at a relatively undersized 6-foot-4 1/2, 250, Moore ranked 22nd-of-37 defensive linemen in the forty-yard dash, outrunning only DLs who weigh at least 30 pounds more than him. Moore's 1.69 ten-yard split came in 17th. Moore was better in the vertical (35 1/2") and broad jumps (10-foot-2), but his mere 12 bench-press reps hint at suspect work ethic. Moore is shaping up as a late first-round prospect. He lacks athleticism required to play in a 3-4, and 4-3 teams will want him to add weight, slowing him down even more.

 

Realistic Landing Spots: Falcons at No. 30, Jaguars at No. 33, Lions at No. 36.

 

6. Texas A&M OT Luke Joeckel -- You'll see more and more mock drafts sending Central Michigan's Eric Fisher to Kansas City at the No. 1 pick. It's not because Joeckel was terrible at the Combine, but his measurable athleticism didn't stand out. At 6-foot-6, 306, Joeckel ranked 30th-of-48 offensive linemen in the forty, 32nd in the ten-yard split (1.81), 15th in broad jump (8-foot-10), and 12th in 20-yard shuttle time (4.68). NFL teams will have to recheck Joeckel's tape to make sure he's a good enough athlete to protect the blindside. He's still a likely top-five pick.

 

Realistic Landing Spots: Chiefs at No. 1, Eagles at No. 4, Lions at No. 5.

 

7. Wisconsin RB Montee Ball -- Ball's measurables aren't overwhelmingly bad, but they're not indicative of a top-50 pick, either. Ball's 4.66 ranked 19th-of-33 running back competitors in the forty-yard dash, and 15 bench reps put Ball in a three-way tie for dead last at his position. Ball cleared just 32 inches in the vertical; 20 running backs jumped higher. He came in 17th in the long jump (9-foot-10), 16th in the short shuttle (4.40), and seventh in the three-cone drill. Ball is a reliable, steady ball carrier, but he lacks special qualities. He's entrenched as a day-two prospect.

 

Realistic Landing Spots: Falcons at No. 60, Jaguars at No. 64, Jets at No. 72.

 

8. Notre Dame LB Manti Te'o -- Te'o (6-foot-1, 241) measured in nearly a full inch and 14 pounds shy of his college listing, but the lighter weight didn't help his workouts. His 4.82 forty time ranked 20th-of-26 linebackers, and Te'o tied for a middling eighth-of-20 in the vertical (33"). Te'o did finish sixth in the 20-yard shuttle (4.27) and fifth in the three-cone drill (7.13), and in fairness to Te'o, Rams MLB James Laurinatis' 2009 Combine was eerily similar. (And he's turned out pretty good.) At 6-foot-1 and change and 244 pounds, Laurinaitis ran an identical 4.82 with a 4.24 short shuttle. Considered a lock first-rounder that season, Laurinaitis "slipped" to the 35th overall pick.

 

Realistic Landing Spots: Broncos at No. 28, Falcons at No. 30, Ravens at No. 32.

 

9. Florida State DE Bjoern Werner -- Werner is another prospect who didn't quite bomb in Indy, but didn't help himself, either. And there was already growing buzz that Werner has been overrated in pre-Combine media mocks. Measuring in at 6-foot-3 1/4, 266, Werner ranked 13th among defensive linemen in the forty (4.83), 15th in the ten-yard split (1.66), 22nd in the vertical (31"), and 17th in the three-cone drill (7.30). Perhaps most startlingly, Werner's 9-foot-3 broad jump -- an indicator of lower-body explosion -- tied for 21st in his position group. Werner remains unlikely to get past the early to mid teens, but he isn't the top-five pick he was billed to be. Clubs that run 3-4 defenses are unlikely to give Werner high first-round grades as a rush linebacker.

 

Realistic Landing Spots: Dolphins at No. 12, Bucs at No. 13, Cowboys at No. 18.

 

10. Mississippi State CB Johnthan Banks -- Banks was widely regarded as a top-three draft-eligible cornerback entering the Combine. His stock is going to take a hit. Built slightly at 6-foot-2 and 185 pounds, Banks clocked a 4.61 to rank a lowly 41st among 54 defensive backs who ran, including the safeties. 49 DBs performed the 225-pound bench press, and Banks' ten reps ranked him 45th. Banks continued to display underwhelming athleticism with a 34-inch vertical, which came in 40th. In the three-cone drill, Banks' 6.97 time ranked 26th-of-38 participants. Banks' odds of landing in the first round now seem remote, though his tape should keep him in the top 50.

 

Realistic Landing Spots: Dolphins at No. 42, Bucs at No. 43, Panthers at No. 44.

 

[url]http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/42638/60/nfl-combine-fallers[/url]

[Bengals1181]

Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris

Also, Te'o now sits at 21 on Kiper's board.

[spicoli]

[B]NFL Combine Risers[/B]

Tuesday, February 26, 2013

 

This is a rundown of 15 players who either helped or solidified their draft stock by testing well at the 2013 Scouting Combine. We'll start off with seven bigger-named prospects before digging a bit deeper on 8-15.

 

1. BYU DE Ziggy Ansah -- Ansah's stock has been rising since the January 26 Senior Bowl game, which he single-handedly took over. In Indy, Ansah measured 6-foot-5 1/4 and 271 pounds with 35 1/8-inch arms. His 4.63 forty time was sixth fastest among the 37 defensive linemen who ran, and Ansah's 34 1/2-inch vertical leap tied for seventh. When running the forty, only LSU's Barkevious Mingo cleared ten yards at a faster pace than Ansah (1.56). His 9-foot-10 broad jump also ranked in the top ten. Ansah has locked himself in as a single-digit pick.

 

Realistic Landing Spots: Jaguars at No. 2, Raiders at No. 3, Lions at No. 5.

 

2. Tennessee WR Justin Hunter -- Hunter weighed in at a relatively slight 6-foot-4, 196 in an effort to improve his workout measurables. It worked. Hunter's 4.44 forty was outdone by only eight of the 35 receivers who ran, and all by wideouts at least an inch and a half shorter than Hunter. Even more impressive were Hunter's vertical (39 1/2") and broad jump (11-foot-4), which each either ranked first or tied Hunter for first in his position group. Despite disappointing 2012 game film coming off an ACL tear, Hunter has vaulted himself back into the first-round discussion.

 

Realistic Landing Spots: Texans at No. 27, Patriots at No. 29, Jets at No. 39.

 

3. Notre Dame TE Tyler Eifert -- If there was any doubt about Eifert's athleticism entering the Combine, he erased it in Indy. 19 tight ends worked out, and Eifert ranked fourth in forty time (4.68), third in bench-press reps (22), second in vertical leap (35 1/2"), third in 20-yard shuttle time (4.32), and second in the 60-yard shuttle (11.52). He was also the only tight end to break seven seconds in the three-cone drill (6.92). Ideally built at 6-foot-5 1/2, 250 with 33 1/8-inch arms, Eifert has separated himself from Zach Ertz as the lone surefire first-rounder in this tight end class.

 

Realistic Landing Spots: Bucs at No. 13, Bears at No. 20, Falcons at No. 30.

 

4. Oklahoma LT Lane Johnson -- Johnson was considered a possible top-ten pick before the Combine, but he might push for the top seven now. Among the 48 offensive linemen who took part, Johnson ranked second in forty time (4.72), first in the ten-yard split (1.61), second in vertical leap (34"), fifth in the 20-yard shuttle (4.52), and second in the three-cone drill (7.31). He also benched 225 pounds 28 times with vine-like 35 1/4-inch arms. Johnson offers ideal athleticism and build (6-foot-6, 303) for an NFL left tackle. He's giving Luke Joeckel and Eric Fisher a run for their money.

 

Realistic Landing Spots: Cardinals at No. 7, Chargers at No. 11, Dolphins at No. 12.

 

5. LSU DE/LB Barkevious Mingo -- Mingo's game has kinks that need refinement -- he tends to play too high and must add strength -- but he is a highly explosive athlete. At 6-foot-4, 241, Mingo ranked first among all defensive linemen in the ten-yard split (1.55) and second in the forty (4.58), demonstrating sensational short-area burst in addition to long speed. Mingo's 10-foot-8 broad jump tied for first, and his 37-inch vertical was second best at his position. Teams that run 3-4 defenses will love Mingo's blend of length (33 3/4-inch arms) and sky-high upside.

 

Realistic Landing Spots: Jets at No. 9, Saints at No. 15, Steelers at No. 17.

 

6. Washington CB Desmond Trufant -- Marcus' younger brother is long and lean at 6-foot, 190, and recovery speed isn't going to be a problem. Trufant's 4.38 forty was third fastest among defensive backs at the Combine, and his 3.85 time in the 20-yard shuttle ranked second. His broad jump (10-foot-5) and vertical (37 1/2") were respectable if not elite. On the heels of a standout Senior Bowl, Trufant is making a case to be the draft's No. 2 corner behind Dee Milliner.

 

Realistic Landing Spots: Dolphins at No. 12, Bucs at No. 13, Panthers at No. 14.

 

7. Oregon LB Dion Jordan -- Some teams use the Combine to create first impressions, before going back to watch tape until April's draft. Clubs of that mindset will be initially smitten with Jordan. At 6-foot-6 1/4, 248, with 33 7/8-inch arms, he has a freaky size-athleticism combo. His 4.60 forty tied for third among defensive linemen, and Jordan ranked third behind only Mingo and Ansah in the ten-yard split (1.57). His 10-foot-2 broad jump was fourth best at the position. Jordan regularly lined up over the slot receiver in Oregon's defense and might be the most pro-ready cover linebacker in the draft. Rotoworld draft guru Josh Norris has likened him to Julian Peterson.

 

Realistic Landing Spots: Eagles at No. 4, Browns at No. 6, Jets at No. 9.

 

8. Arkansas RB Knile Davis -- Davis rushed for just 377 yards on 112 carries (3.37 YPC) coming off a major ankle injury in 2012, but some of his measurables indicate he could be a gem. Weighing in at a rocked-up 5-foot-11 3/8 and 227 pounds, Davis ran the second fastest forty time (4.37) and second best ten-yard split (1.49) among running backs in Indy. He also ranked second in bench reps (31) and ninth in the broad jump (10-foot-1). More sobering were Davis' 20-yard shuttle (4.38) and three-cone times (6.96), which ranked 15th-of-24 and 11th-of-23 participants, respectively. Obvious concerns for Davis are his agility, small hands (8 5/8"), and poor production.

 

Realistic Landing Spots: Titans, Falcons, Cowboys in the fifth round.

 

9. Arkansas-Pine Bluff OT Terron Armstead -- Armstead set a new Combine record for offensive linemen with a 4.71 forty, and his 1.64 ten-yard split ranked second behind only Lane Johnson. With lengthy 34-inch arms, 6-foot-4 3/4, 306-pound Armstead also repped 225 pounds 31 times on the bench. His 34 1/2-inch vertical leap again paced the O-Line field, and Armstead tied for third in the broad jump at 9-foot-4. Armstead is considered raw coming out of a small school, but NFL teams will be enamored by his untapped potential and rare athleticism at his size.

 

Realistic Landing Spots: Redskins at No. 51, Dolphins at No. 54, Seahawks at No. 56.

 

10. SMU DE Margus Hunt -- Hunt is an extremely raw, 26-year-old former track and field junior Olympian. In terms of being a legitimate NFL prospect, he certainly has the workout-wonder part down. A top D-Line performer in essentially every measurable, 6-foot-8, 277-pound Hunt finished third in the forty (4.60), first on the bench (38 reps), seventh in the broad jump (10-foot-1), ninth in the ten-yard split (1.62), and seventh in the vertical leap (34 1/2") among 54 defensive linemen who showed up in Indy. Old, unlikely to contribute as a rookie, and limited to one position (end) in one scheme (3-4) with little to no quality football film, Hunt will likely be targeted as a mid- to late-round project. There was even post-Combine buzz that some clubs prefer Hunt on offense, playing tight end.

 

Realistic Landing Spots: Chiefs, Browns, 49ers in the sixth round.

 

11. Mississippi State CB Darius Slay -- Overshadowed by more heralded teammate Johnthan Banks in college, Slay turned heads when he was credited with the fastest forty time among cornerbacks (4.36). Measuring in at 5-foot-11 7/8 and 192 pounds, Slay also produced a 10-foot-4 broad jump, 1.53 ten-yard split, and 6.90 three-cone time. Little known but no slouch, Slay led the Bulldogs in interceptions (5) last season and is a sleeper to be drafted in the top 75.

 

Realistic Landing Spots: Bucs at No. 73, 49ers at No. 74, Chargers at No. 76.

 

12. Rice TE Vance McDonald -- McDonald amassed 119 receptions for 1,504 yards and 15 career touchdowns in Rice's spread offense, and he now boasts workout numbers to support his production. At 6-foot-4 1/8 and 267 pounds, McDonald paced his position on the bench with 31 reps despite measuring in with the longest arms (34 3/8") among all tight ends at the Combine. McDonald also ranked fifth in the forty (4.69), sixth in the vertical (33 1/2"), fourth in the broad jump (9-foot-8), and third in the three-cone drill (7.08). McDonald is headed for the second round.

 

Realistic Landing Spots: Rams at No. 46, Bears at No. 50, Redskins at No. 51.

 

13. Texas A&M WR Ryan Swope -- Swope was a possession receiver at A&M, averaging 12.4 career yards per catch, but has drawn Eric Decker comparisons during draft season. He helped himself greatly at the Combine with a 4.34 forty, tying Tavon Austin for second fastest by a receiver after weighing in at 6-foot, 205. Swope also showed well with a 37-inch vertical (fifth best among wideouts), 10-foot-5 broad jump (sixth), and 6.76 three-cone time (sixth). Teams will likely recheck Swope's game tape after the performance. He may begin to generate second-day grades.

 

Realistic Landing Spots: Bills at No. 71, Jets at No. 72, Dolphins at No. 77.

 

14. Arkansas TE Chris Gragg -- Gragg needed a way to open eyes after an injury-ruined senior year, and he accomplished that in Indy. At 6-foot-2 3/4 and 244 pounds, Gragg paced the tight end field in forty time (4.50), ten-yard split (1.53), and vertical leap (37 1/2"). Only two tight ends were more efficient in the three-cone drill (7.07), and Gragg also showed adequate strength on the bench with 18 reps of 225 with 33 5/8-inch arms. Gragg caught 41 passes as a junior, so he's not entirely without production. The head-turning Combine is very likely to get Gragg drafted.

 

Realistic Landing Spots: 49ers, Falcons, Redskins in the fifth round.

 

15. Cal CB Steve Williams -- Not taken especially seriously in draft circles after leaving school a year early, Williams will get noticed off his Combine. The Cal Bears' 2012 Defensive MVP finished tied for first in the vertical leap (40 1/2"), eighth in the broad jump (10-foot-8), and ninth in forty time (4.42) among 54 cornerbacks. Williams was just an honorable mention pick in the Pac 12 as a junior. At a coveted NFL position, he may have vaulted his stock from a UDFA to fourth- or fifth-rounder.

 

Realistic Landing Spots: Ravens, Steelers, Jaguars in the fifth round.

 

[url]http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/42630/60/nfl-combine-risers?pg=2[/url]

[akiliMVP]

Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris

Also, Te'o now sits at 21 on Kiper's board.

We always draft someone in the 1st or 2nd round that I'm adamantly against. Te'o is shaping up to be the one this year either at 21 or 37.

[spicoli]

Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris

Also, Te'o now sits at 21 on Kiper's board.

 

that's just great

[Jason]

10. SMU DE Margus Hunt -- Hunt is an extremely raw, 26-year-old
former track and field junior Olympian. In terms of being a legitimate
NFL prospect, he certainly has the workout-wonder part down. A top
D-Line performer in essentially every measurable, 6-foot-8, 277-pound
Hunt finished third in the forty (4.60), first on the bench (38 reps),
seventh in the broad jump (10-foot-1), ninth in the ten-yard split
(1.62), and seventh in the vertical leap (34 1/2") among 54 defensive
linemen who showed up in Indy. Old, unlikely to contribute as a rookie,
and limited to one position (end) in one scheme (3-4) with little to no
quality football film, Hunt will likely be targeted as a mid- to
late-round project. There was even post-Combine buzz that some clubs
prefer Hunt on offense, playing tight end.

 

Realistic Landing Spots: Chiefs, Browns, 49ers in the sixth round.

 

Seriously?  I have seen him mocked in 1 a few times.  If he's there in 3 I grab him.

[Bengals1181]

Seriously?  I have seen him mocked in 1 a few times.  If he's there in 3 I grab him.

 

I'd take him at 53.

[Jason]

I'd take him at 53.

 

I'd be thinking about it there.

[akiliMVP]

[scharm]

We always draft someone in the 1st or 2nd round that I'm adamantly against. Te'o is shaping up to be the one this year either at 21 or 37.

 

That would be a draft day dream.   The only thing better than a draft day melt down is a Rey meltdown.

 

So much classic posting.   Te'o at 21 please!

[akiliMVP]

 
That would be a draft day dream.   The only thing better than a draft day melt down is a Rey meltdown.
 
So much classic posting.   Te'o at 21 please!

are you lennay?

[HairOnFire]

What's that you say? Something about it being time to tap the brakes on Ziggy?

 

Ziggy go zoom.

[|kennethmw|]

Kniles has speed, but no wiggle.  He had a horrible short shuttle(4.38).  I always look at SS compared to 40 time, .30 diff is good, .40 diff is great.  Guys with a good combo (4.55 or faster 40 combined with a 4.20 or faster SS) were Michael, Bernard, Williams, Stacey and Barner.

[Phatcat]

Kniles has speed, but no wiggle.  He had a horrible short shuttle(4.38).  I always look at SS compared to 40 time, .30 diff is good, .40 diff is great.  Guys with a good combo (4.55 or faster 40 combined with a 4.20 or faster SS) were Michael, Bernard, Williams, Stacey and Barner.

 

Who was the NFL analyst who used that differential as a metric?  i remember Pollack was off the charts with the highest (or maybe one of the highest).  

[EnglishBengal]

The speed score is done by Football Outsider's Bill Barnwell and is called the Speed Score metric.

The formula to calculate it is:

 

(Weight x 200) / (40 time ^4)

 

 

Btw, here are the 10 yard dash time's for the the notable RB's at the 2013 Combine (way more important than 40 time) -

 

Montee Ball - 1.59

Kenjon Barner - 1.6

Le'Veon Bell - 1.55

Giovani Bernard - 1.53

Zach Boren - 1.65

Rex Burkhead - 1.58

Knile Davis - 1.49

Andre Ellington - 1.56

Jonathan Franklin - 1.54

Mike Gillislee - 1.59

Ray Graham - 1.61

Jawan Jamison - 1.66

Christine Michael - 1.51

Joseph Randle - 1.61

Robbie Rouse - 1.64

Stepfan Taylor - 1.64

Kerwynn Williams - 1.52

George Winn - 1.61

Cierre Wood - 1.53

[|kennethmw|]

Who was the NFL analyst who used that differential as a metric?  i remember Pollack was off the charts with the highest (or maybe one of the highest).  

 

If I'm right, it was Pat Kirwan.  He also did something on explosion where you take the bench, broad jump and the vertical and add them together and a 70 or higher score indicates an explosive guy.