|High School Harry| Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Putting this on the Bengals board specifically because of how it ranks and the comments about Marvin Lewis. He is ranked 12th out of the 25 ranked coaches (new hires omitted) which is... Full article http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl-39-best-coaches-044600815--nfl.html Abbreviated and edited version ... 1. Bill Belichick Career Record: 199-105 (.655) With The Patriots Since: 2000 2. Pete Carroll Career Record: 71-57 (.555) With The Seahawks Since: 2010 3. Jim Harbaugh Career Record: 36-11-1 (.766) With The 49ers Since: 2011 4. Sean Payton Career Record: 73-39 (.652) With The Saints Since: 2006 5. John Harbaugh Career Record: 62-34 (.646) With The Ravens Since: 2008 6. Chip Kelly Career Record: 10-6 (.625) With The Eagles Since: 2013 7. Andy Reid Career Record: 141-98-1 (.590) With The Chiefs Since: 2013 8. Bruce Arians Career Record: 10-6 (.625) With The Cardinals Since: 2013 9. Tom Coughlin Career Record: 158-130 (.549) With The Giants Since: 2004 10. Mike McCarthy Career Record: 82-45-1 (.646) With The Packers Since: 2006 11. Rex Ryan Career Record: 42-38 (.525) With The Jets Since: 2009 12. Marvin Lewis Career Record: 90-85-1 (.514) With The Bengals Since: 2003 At this point, Lewis is more Mack Brown-style CEO than head football coach. Both his offense and defense were autonomous units under now departed coordinators Jay Gruden and Mike Zimmer, respectively. Lewis paints in broad strokes for an owner in Mike Brown who obviously has complete faith in his coach of 11 years. Many would point to Lewis’ 0-5 record in the playoffs and say Brown’s faith is misplaced, but even consistency of Lewis’ somewhat mediocre nature is hard to find in the NFL. That’s especially true for a franchise that’s not exactly known for opening its wallet. You could say Lewis should have won more in recent years and be right. You could also say the fact that he’s gone from nine to 10 to 11 wins with a stagnant Andy Dalton under center is more than his teams should have accomplished. At this point, Lewis is just a steady hand, and nothing more. Lest you think that’s an insult, ask the Browns or Raiders how easy it is to find a steady hand. 13. Marc Trestman Career Record: 8-8 (.500) With The Bears Since: 2013 14. Jeff Fisher Career Record: 156-137-1 (.532) With The Rams Since: 2012 15. Mike McCoy Career Record: 9-7 (.563) With The Chargers Since: 2013 16. Mike Tomlin Career Record: 71-41 (.634) With The Steelers Since: 2007 17. Ron Rivera Career Record: 25-23 (.521) With The Panthers Since: 2011 18. Gus Bradley Career Record: 4-12 (.250) With The Jaguars Since: 2013 19. Mike Smith Career Record: 96-60 (.625) With The Falcons Since: 2008 20. John Fox Career Record: 107-85 (.557) With The Broncos Since: 2011 21. Chuck Pagano Career Record: 22-10 (.688) With The Colts Since: 2012 22. Doug Marrone Career Record: 6-10 (.375) With The Bills Since: 2013 23. Dennis Allen Career Record: 8-24 (.250) With The Raiders Since: 2012 24. Jason Garrett Career Record: 29-27 (.518) With The Cowboys Since: 2010 25. Joe Philbin Career Record: 15-17 (.469) With The Dolphins Since: 2012 New Hires 1. Lovie Smith, Buccaneers Career Record: 81-63 (.563) 2. Mike Zimmer, Vikings Career Record: --- 3. Ken Whisenhunt, Titans Career Record: 45-51 (.469) 4. Bill O’Brien, Texans Career Record: --- 5. Mike Pettine, Browns Career Record: --- 6. Jay Gruden, Redskins Career Record: --- 7. Jim Caldwell, Lions Career Record: 26-22 (.542) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Lol @ Chip Kelly higher than Andy Reid. Even as much as Iggle fan hates Andy, they would not put the Chipster there (just yet). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Numbers| Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 It will be interesting to see who has a better resume at the end of next season... Lewis, Gruden, or Zimmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange 'n Black Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 It will be interesting to see who has a better resume at the end of next season... Lewis, Gruden, or Zimmer. I think Zim will have a good season next year. Maybe sneak into the playoffs. I think Gruden is in for a rough year in DC... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted February 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 It will be interesting to see who has a better resume at the end of next season... Lewis, Gruden, or Zimmer. Lewis has so much more to work with as far as players than Gruden and Zimmer that he certainly should do better. Those guys are basically starting from scratch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Numbers| Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Lewis has so much more to work with as far as players than Gruden and Zimmer that he certainly should do better. Those guys are basically starting from scratch. You think Gruden's retaining of Haslett would be considered starting from scratch ? Haslett is a pretty good coach and Gruden has worked with him on occasion in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Numbers| Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 I think Zim will have a good season next year. Maybe sneak into the playoffs. I think Gruden is in for a rough year in DC... Not so sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 The Redskins are in cap hell. If Minnesota can improve their defense (they were TERRIBLE) their team will improve significantly. No, not predicting a playoff spot but certainly way better than last year. So Jon Fox, who has an AFC Championship, NFC Championship and has 3 Championship appearances in 12 years of being a head coach with a lifetime winning average of .557 is 8 spots LOWER than Marvin with who has never won a playoff game in 11 years and has a lifetime winning percentage of .514. That makes perfect sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 What about Tomlin being ranked lower than Marvin? He's been to the Superbowl twice in 7 years with a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted February 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 You think Gruden's retaining of Haslett would be considered starting from scratch ? Haslett is a pretty good coach and Gruden has worked with him on occasion in the past. What position on the field does Haslett play? My thinking is the Bengals are pretty much superior across the board player for player generally speaking (except perhaps quarterback if Gruden can get RGIII playing right) plus they have some degree of continuity with the replacements for Zimmer and Gruden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 What about Tomlin being ranked lower than Marvin? He's been to the Superbowl twice in 7 years with a win. The only thing that can explain their rankings it is that Marvin has to work with the worst ownership in history yet he is having some success. That is NOT my feeling, just trying to figure out how they came up with these rankings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Numbers| Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 What position on the field does Haslett play? My thinking is the Bengals are pretty much superior across the board player for player generally speaking (except perhaps quarterback if Gruden can get RGIII playing right) plus they have some degree of continuity with the replacements for Zimmer and Gruden. I am in the camp that believes a coach holds more value than a player. As such, Zimmer will coach his players up to his level and Gruden will as well. For good or bad, a player can only be as good as his coach is. All of this of course is IMHO. In other words, I would take superior coaches over superior players every day of the week. Putting a superior game plan on the field will only work if you have put forth players that can learn the game plan and implement the plan. This would not work with players incapable of learning the system no matter how good they are at their position. The question to you is; Are the Bengals capable of putting a good game plan on the field ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumble In the Jungle Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 IMO Lewis will have the best resume or record for next year than the 2 old coordinators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Numbers| Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 IMO Lewis will have the best resume or record for next year than the 2 old coordinators. I'd like to make a friendly wager with you right now. By the end of next upcoming season, Gruden OR Zimmer will have more wins next season than Lewis. You wear a Browns avatar for one week. Your choice on mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumble In the Jungle Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 I'd like to make a friendly wager with you right now. By the end of next upcoming season, Gruden OR Zimmer will have more wins next season than Lewis. You wear a Browns avatar for one week. Your choice on mine. Why teh fucking Browns :20: But yes. And if you lose you wear this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Why teh fucking Browns :20: But yes. And if you lose you wear this Right now, the NSA is preparing to assault Rumble's house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Numbers| Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Why teh fucking Browns :20: But yes. And if you lose you wear this Deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted February 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 I am in the camp that believes a coach holds more value than a player. As such, Zimmer will coach his players up to his level and Gruden will as well. For good or bad, a player can only be as good as his coach is. All of this of course is IMHO. In other words, I would take superior coaches over superior players every day of the week. Putting a superior game plan on the field will only work if you have put forth players that can learn the game plan and implement the plan. This would not work with players incapable of learning the system no matter how good they are at their position. The question to you is; Are the Bengals capable of putting a good game plan on the field ? Not being evasive but I simply do not know at this stage of the game. The best game plans can be negated completely by too many things including blown calls and injury. Of course such things as the obvious player performance, moronic penalties, and the list goes on. Not because I have any great faith in Marvin. I racked up dozens of negative reps for questioning him on here for years before he finally fell into disfavor more recently. I am also not buying the "easy schedule" spin looking at playing teams who went a lot farther in the playoffs than we did. Just the team is a lot more familiar with Marvin and the new assistants that the Vikings and Redskins are with their new regimes. Asking a lot to say Zim and/or Gruden will end up with better records than the Bengals but then again I wholeheartedly believe Marv could fuck up a one man parade in a phone booth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumble In the Jungle Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Deal. Outta curiosity, which Browns logo you want me to sport? Right now, the NSA is preparing to assault Rumble's house. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeds Orange Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 What exactly have Chip Kelly and Bruce Arians accomplished in their NFL head coaching careers to deserve their Top Ten status? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Arians was NFL coach of the year in Indy in 2012 then make Arizona competitive with Seattle and San Francisco. They were the only visiting team to win at Seattle. Kelly took over one of the least talented teams in the league and completely reorganized them, getting pro bowl play from former backup Nick Foles while leading the league in rushing. Compared with Reid's meltdown in 2012 Kelly was a breath of fresh air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 I'd like to make a friendly wager with you right now. By the end of next upcoming season, Gruden OR Zimmer will have more wins next season than Lewis. You wear a Browns avatar for one week. Your choice on mine. Why would you pick something he'll happily wear? Should have picked the Steelers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Arians was NFL coach of the year in Indy in 2012 then make Arizona competitive with Seattle and San Francisco. They were the only visiting team to win at Seattle. Kelly took over one of the least talented teams in the league and completely reorganized them, getting pro bowl play from former backup Nick Foles while leading the league in rushing. Compared with Reid's meltdown in 2012 Kelly was a breath of fresh air. I wouldn't call Philly a non talented team, they were just a train wreck. They had one of the best set of skill guys in the league with Mccoy, maclin, jackson, and celek. Avant and Cooper were nice complements to that group. They actually have one of the deepest RB units in the league, and they have a number of high round picks in their front 7 on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Numbers| Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Outta curiosity, which Browns logo you want me to sport? :lol: Since I did say Browns before I posted I guess I can't use this... I guess I'll have to go with this... Since Art Modell was born to a Jewish family, I guess its about as close as I can come to matching the I Love Israel picture above. Kinda of kills three birds with one stone... Browns, Ravens, and Israel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Numbers| Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Not being evasive but I simply do not know at this stage of the game. The best game plans can be negated completely by too many things including blown calls and injury. Of course such things as the obvious player performance, moronic penalties, and the list goes on. Not because I have any great faith in Marvin. I racked up dozens of negative reps for questioning him on here for years before he finally fell into disfavor more recently. I am also not buying the "easy schedule" spin looking at playing teams who went a lot farther in the playoffs than we did. Just the team is a lot more familiar with Marvin and the new assistants that the Vikings and Redskins are with their new regimes. Asking a lot to say Zim and/or Gruden will end up with better records than the Bengals but then again I wholeheartedly believe Marv could fuck up a one man parade in a phone booth. Looks like you gained a few more negative reps on that one. I gave you a positive one to even things out a bit. 1. A good game plan takes into account such things as injury. 2. IF a player is the reflection of coaching then player performance, moronic penalties, etc... are coachable attributes. 3. I don't buy the easy schedule either. 4. Familiarity breeds contempt. Remember we went to the playoffs in the first year with Dalton and Gruden. 5. I don't know about a phone booth but I have seen a one man parade... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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