Jason Posted March 7, 2018 Report Posted March 7, 2018 On 2/27/2018 at 8:16 PM, oldschooler said: Who in Trump's cabinet government the past 20 years hasn't wasted tax payer money? Fixt.
Homer_Rice Posted March 7, 2018 Report Posted March 7, 2018 How the Democrat’s Corrupt Congressional Pay-to-Play Machine Sabotages Progressives and the Popular Will
Jamie_B Posted March 7, 2018 Report Posted March 7, 2018 9 hours ago, Homer_Rice said: How the Democrat’s Corrupt Congressional Pay-to-Play Machine Sabotages Progressives and the Popular Will Not surprised. Then there is this... http://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/government-politics/general-assembly/democratic-lawmaker-in-virginia-holds-hammer-and-sickle-image-behind/article_f3fa7b6a-6cc8-59b2-a9ab-f90116ffd4cf.html
oldschooler Posted March 7, 2018 Author Report Posted March 7, 2018 21 hours ago, Jason said: Fixt. 20 years? So for two Republican President's and 1 Democratic? Anyway, I'm sure you and I have a different opinion of when tax dollars are "wasted". And for some reason, most Republicans don't mind as long as the President in power says he's a "Conservative".
USN Bengal Posted March 8, 2018 Report Posted March 8, 2018 1 hour ago, oldschooler said: 20 years? So for two Republican President's and 1 Democratic? Anyway, I'm sure you and I have a different opinion of when tax dollars are "wasted". And for some reason, most Republicans don't mind as long as the President in power says he's a "Conservative". Sadly... that characterization is correct. As much as Democrats don't mind if someone gives a country like... say Iran... an ENEMY since at least 1979, BILLIONS of dollars to spend on terrorism... Once again... they're ALL shit By the way, go back 50, 60 years... they ALL waste money.
oldschooler Posted March 8, 2018 Author Report Posted March 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, USN Bengal said: Sadly... that characterization is correct. As much as Democrats don't mind if someone gives a country like... say Iran... an ENEMY since at least 1979, BILLIONS of dollars to spend on terrorism... Once again... they're ALL shit By the way, go back 50, 60 years... they ALL waste money. That money was Obama just giving Iran back their own money. The money was legally due to Iran. Iran had paid America for military equipment in 1979, but then the Iranian revolution came and the hardware was never delivered. They gave us $400 million and we gave it back, plus interest.
USN Bengal Posted March 8, 2018 Report Posted March 8, 2018 28 minutes ago, oldschooler said: That money was Obama just giving Iran back their own money. The money was legally due to Iran. Iran had paid America for military equipment in 1979, but then the Iranian revolution came and the hardware was never delivered. They gave us $400 million and we gave it back, plus interest. So how responsible is it to give money to a country that you KNOW is promoting terrorism, along with the stupid fucking nuke deal that people do not realize is a joke, and you KNOW they are using that money to grow more terrorists? ... but it's ok because we owed them money right? Come on old... no way was that the right thing to do.
oldschooler Posted March 8, 2018 Author Report Posted March 8, 2018 11 hours ago, USN Bengal said: So how responsible is it to give money to a country that you KNOW is promoting terrorism, along with the stupid fucking nuke deal that people do not realize is a joke, and you KNOW they are using that money to grow more terrorists? ... but it's ok because we owed them money right? Come on old... no way was that the right thing to do. It was their money. We didn't give it to them. Right or wrong, it was owed to them. And I'm not going to get into a debate about Iran or the Nuclear deal. I will just say, if you think the corruption and waste is the same as it has always been, you need to pay closer attention.
USN Bengal Posted March 8, 2018 Report Posted March 8, 2018 28 minutes ago, oldschooler said: It was their money. We didn't give it to them. Right or wrong, it was owed to them. And I'm not going to get into a debate about Iran or the Nuclear deal. I will just say, if you think the corruption and waste is the same as it has always been, you need to pay closer attention. The same? No, I don't believe it's the same... it has gotten progressively worse as the years go on, and there is NO ONE innocent. Owed to them... so NO OTHER president gives it to them BECAUSE they are anti-US and pro-terrorist, but it's ok for Obama. I just don't understand this point of view.
oldschooler Posted March 8, 2018 Author Report Posted March 8, 2018 1 hour ago, USN Bengal said: The same? No, I don't believe it's the same... it has gotten progressively worse as the years go on, and there is NO ONE innocent. Owed to them... so NO OTHER president gives it to them BECAUSE they are anti-US and pro-terrorist, but it's ok for Obama. I just don't understand this point of view. A couple of links to help you understand it better ... Quote The Obama administration allowed $1.7 billion in cash to go to Iran earlier this year. The money, however, was a settlement of a decades-old legal claim between the two countries. An initial payment of $400 million was handed over on Jan. 17, the same day Iran’s government agreed to release four American prisoners. Obama administration officials had initially denied the two transactions were linked. But later, officials acknowledged the U.S. had withheld the cash to pressure Iran to move forward with the releases and guarantee the Americans were allowed to leave Iran. The remaining $1.3 million, apparently interest on Iranian cash held in the U.S. since the 1970s,was handed over in two later payments in January and February. http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-third-presidential-donald-trump-is-right-the-u-s-did-pay-1476931849-htmlstory.html And another ... http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2017/jun/06/karen-handel/Handel-pushes-details-Iran-deal-terror-support/
USN Bengal Posted March 8, 2018 Report Posted March 8, 2018 I don't doubt that we owed it to them... What I don't and never will support is giving money (owed or not) to a mortal enemy. We KNOW that they used the money to support terrorism, there is no way in hell that we should've given them the money.... so that they could fuck us or other innocents with it. I should have clarified this earlier...
|Elflocko| Posted March 8, 2018 Report Posted March 8, 2018 I don't doubt that we owed it to them... What I don't and never will support is giving money (owed or not) to a mortal enemy. We KNOW that they used the money to support terrorism, there is no way in hell that we should've given them the money.... so that they could fuck us or other innocents with it. I should have clarified this earlier... Kinda like when they helped us perpetrate terrorist acts when we sold them arms and Reagan used that money to fund the Sandinistas. And like when we terrorized their citizenry by overthrowing their democratically elected leader and installed the Shah in 1953. Perspective is powerful...
USN Bengal Posted March 8, 2018 Report Posted March 8, 2018 Exactly... I know the truth... and it sickens me
CincyInDC Posted March 8, 2018 Report Posted March 8, 2018 We are reaping what we have sown. And by that second "We" I mean people who are long dead. Thanks.
USN Bengal Posted March 9, 2018 Report Posted March 9, 2018 Yes... and “we” will continue to do so until someone stops the vicious cycle. In order to do that we must expose, convict, and REFUSE to keep re-electing the same criminals. Not just the current GOP twatwaffles, but ALL of the twatwaffles.
Jamie_B Posted March 9, 2018 Report Posted March 9, 2018 Let's not fool ourselves, our involvement with Iran isn't exactly on the up and up either. Don't kid yourselves if you don't think we want a regime friendly to us, the straights of Hormuz is a goal for us. 1979 wasn't that long ago, and it should be reminded that their view of us and behavior towards us probably is reflective of that.
USN Bengal Posted March 9, 2018 Report Posted March 9, 2018 It's been a helluva lot longer than that Jamie, this had been the American political machines (see big business owned) modus operandi for a long damn time. Just little ole jaded USN Bengal here... it's ok folks, all is well, nothing to see, move along now... the old man is a little crazy, but harmless
Jamie_B Posted March 9, 2018 Report Posted March 9, 2018 And as long as the system of funding the politicians remains this way...
T-Dub Posted March 10, 2018 Report Posted March 10, 2018 I've read the majority of people receiving public assistance are rural white Southerners.
Jamie_B Posted March 10, 2018 Report Posted March 10, 2018 1 hour ago, T-Dub said: I've read the majority of people receiving public assistance are rural white Southerners. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/gop-base-poverty-snap-social-security/516861/ Accurate.
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