Tee watch

[T-Dub]

35 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

 

 

Had we taken Sewell, we would not have gotten to the SB. 

 

Chase was the right pick.

 

I think you're both right.

[T-Dub]

1 hour ago, PatternMaster said:

 

La'el Collins to the rescue and Jonah Williams to the trade block???

 

 

I'm not convinced Collins still wants to play football & can't imagine anyone taking on Jonah's $12M salary.

[VonBlade]

I spent a year praying for Sewell and hoping we didn't get Chase (see the famous meme), but it took about 4 games for it to be clear, beyond doubt, that Chase was the right pick. He's insane. Now if we could've pulled a Texans and got both, sign me up, because OL is still the shit show it's been since Whit left and it's becoming tiresome.

[|Montana Bengal|]

 

 

 

 

"Cincinnati made Higgins an offer during the offseason but he declined the deal that a source described as “low.”"

[|BlackJesus|]

8 minutes ago, Montana Bengal said:

"Cincinnati made Higgins an offer during the offseason but he declined the deal that a source described as “low.”"

 

I bet you it was a fair offer.

 

But Tee's scumbag agent (the worst one in the NFL) is going to bargain with Tee's financial future for his own reputation. 

[T-Dub]

13 minutes ago, VonBlade said:

I spent a year praying for Sewell and hoping we didn't get Chase (see the famous meme), but it took about 4 games for it to be clear, beyond doubt, that Chase was the right pick. He's insane. Now if we could've pulled a Texans and got both, sign me up, because OL is still the shit show it's been since Whit left and it's becoming tiresome.

 

Not getting Sewell turned out fine & I wouldn't trade Chase for 2 of him.

 

It's not drafting a single OL prospect in this year's draft that had me scratching my head.

[IKOTA]

9 hours ago, BlackJesus said:

 

I bet you it was a fair offer.

 

But Tee's scumbag agent (the worst one in the NFL) is going to bargain with Tee's financial future for his own reputation. 

It’s always a fair offer from the Bengals. but nowhere near what he can get in FA.  So, Higgins and his agent didn’t accept it. It was thought they would at one point, that’s why that Zim dude tweeted what he did. The deal was essentially done, then something happened…

[T-Dub]

17 minutes ago, IKOTA said:

It’s always a fair offer from the Bengals. but nowhere near what he can get in FA.  So, Higgins and his agent didn’t accept it. It was thought they would at one point, that’s why that Zim dude tweeted what he did. The deal was essentially done, then something happened…

 

Emotions aside, if the Bengals offer is not at least in the bleachers of the ballpark of what he can get in FA, IMO it's not really a fair offer.

 

Most teams can't afford two WR1 talents and I've been expecting this since Chase took his spot.

[IKOTA]

15 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

 

Emotions aside, if the Bengals offer is not at least in the bleachers of the ballpark of what he can get in FA, IMO it's not really a fair offer.

 

Most teams can't afford two WR1 talents and I've been expecting this since Chase took his spot.

Does seem like Tee isn’t in their long term plans at this point, and as you said, was always the likeliest of possibilities the moment JaMarr was drafted and showed out his rookie season. 
 

You simply can’t pay 2 WRs top end money when the QB is making what he is, and still expect to field a SB caliber team. 

[UncleEarl]

17 hours ago, BlackJesus said:

 

I bet you it was a fair offer.

 

But Tee's scumbag agent (the worst one in the NFL) is going to bargain with Tee's financial future for his own reputation. 

How is an agent getting top dollar a scumbag?  He’s doing what his clients want.  That makes Higgins a scumbag too.  I guess Bates is a scumbag too.   
 

I don’t believe that, but you can’t call the agent a scumbag and not apply it to the player that hired him.  
 

Higgins deserves to get a big contract, and if the Bengals can’t afford it I wish him good luck. 

[|BlackJesus|]

5 hours ago, UncleEarl said:

How is an agent getting top dollar a scumbag?

 

Tee's agent is the one who rushed to get a serial rapist the highest guaranteed contract in NFL history. (insert a proverb about the company you keep)

 

But he also gambles with his player's financial futures in a risky way, primarily to the benefit of himself. He's already rich, so he feels safe doing this as his chief concern is not settling for a lower amount to benefit himself, as he uses these amounts to sell himself to future clients. 

 

He told Bates it was better to play on the tag (when most agents do not). Which worked out. But had Bates gotten a career-ending injury, he would have lost out on millions. He is now telling Tee to play this season for like 3 million rather than the 20+ the Bengals want to give him, because he wants to uphold his negotiating reputation. Not because he cares what Tee ultimately gets. To the extent he cares about Tee's final deal, it's only about his commission %. 

 

Most agents realize their primary goal is to secure life changing wealth for their clients and not put that ability too much at risk for a little more money. Mulugheta thinks the opposite. He rolls the dice with their future for his own potential gain. To me that's scumbag shit, fitting for Deshaun Watson's agent. 

[Le Tigre]

Agents of any sort, in any business, have an iron-clad fiduciary duty to their clients (cannot act in their own interests). Failure to adhere to that fiduciary duty, is not only unethical, but—in many instances—criminally punishable 

[|BlackJesus|]

Imagine if Burrow's agent had told him, hold out for 80 million guaranteed a year from the Bengals. It is that or nothing. We can get it eventually from someone else if they refuse. 

 

And then told Burrow to play this year unextended and next year tagged. And then he gets paralyzed next season. In his quest to supposedly eventually get Burrow 80 a year, so he can get that commission but mostly sell himself as the "hardest negotiator" in sports, he would have cost Burrow 219 million guaranteed on the table right now. 

 

This is what Tee's agent always does. He uses his trusted advisory position as an agent to whisper bullshit into his clients ears to trick them to risk their futures for his eventual gain. They assume he is looking out for them first and foremost, as I'm sure Tee does. But he isn't.

 

The responsible thing would be getting Tee a 4 year 90 million deal with the Bengals right now, that would be looking out for him ... not telling him to play the next few seasons financially unprotected for the chance at a 4 year 120 million deal. As in the end that extra money is not worth the risk of losing all of it (especially as Tee isn't that wealthy yet comparatively). In fact, Tee's agent is richer then he is, which skews the presumed risk assessment. 

[UncleEarl]

2 minutes ago, BlackJesus said:

Imagine if Burrow's agent had told him, hold out for 80 million guaranteed a year from the Bengals. It is that or nothing. We can get it eventually from someone else if they refuse. 

 

And then told Burrow to play this year unextended and next year tagged. And then he gets paralyzed next season. In his quest to supposedly eventually get Burrow 80 a year, so he can get that commission but mostly sell himself as the "hardest negotiator" in sports, he would have cost Burrow 219 million guaranteed on the table right now. 

 

This is what Tee's agent always does. He uses his trusted advisory position as an agent to whisper bullshit into his clients ears to trick them to risk their futures for his eventual gain. They assume he is looking out for them first and foremost, as I'm sure Tee does. But he isn't.

 

The responsible thing would be getting Tee a 4 year 90 million deal with the Bengals right now, that would be looking out for him ... not telling him to play the next few seasons financially unprotected for the chance at a 4 year 120 million deal. As in the end that extra money is not worth the risk of losing all of it. 

That is 100% personal opinion.  A player can be conservative if they wish.  Higgins is also allowed to bet on himself.  Again, if agent is a scumbag, so is Higgins.  Unless you think Higgins is too stupid to understand the risks. 

[Le Tigre]

Oh, and also, an agent can be sued for extending faulty or fraudulent advice by which the client relies upon. 

[|BlackJesus|]

1 minute ago, UncleEarl said:

That is 100% personal opinion. 

Higgins is also allowed to bet on himself.

 

Well yes, "scumbag" is not a scientifically defined term, it is my personal opinion. I'm making a moral judgement that his behaviour is scummy and overtly selfish to the point of manipulation. 

 

Most players like Tee assume their agent is looking out for them like their own parent would, and the guys who typically excel at being agents I would theorize are going to predisposed to bring manipulative sociopaths (similar to ambulance chasing defense lawyers). 

[PatternMaster]

48 minutes ago, UncleEarl said:

How is an agent getting top dollar a scumbag?  He’s doing what his clients want.  That makes Higgins a scumbag too.  I guess Bates is a scumbag too.   
 

I don’t believe that, but you can’t call the agent a scumbag and not apply it to the player that hired him.  
 

Higgins deserves to get a big contract, and if the Bengals can’t afford it I wish him good luck. 

 

Exactly, it's business. How is a player trying to maximize their earning potential a scumbag, that is literally one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. 

 

Agents work at the behest and on behalf of the player, they're not just doing whatever they feel like doing or what benefits them the most.

 

Is Joe Burrow a scumbag or is any other player that signs a big-money extension? BJ, you sound like a little kid who doesn't understand how the world works when you post this stuff. 

[sparky151]

If the Bengals offered 20 mil or more per year, Tee should have taken it. As it is, he's playing for under 4 mil this season, will get tagged for about 22 mil next year, then the team has the option to tag him for 2025 at around 26.5 mil. He's carrying at least 2 and maybe 3 seasons of injury risk. If he has a serious knee injury, he may never make what he's turned down. If he stays healthy, he can play 10 years or more in the NFL. He's not a burner, he wins at the point of attack with size and strength. That isn't going away. 

 

So he should have signed an extension for at least 2 or 3 seasons and banked some real money in case he gets hurt. He can buy insurance but the specialist insurance companies are known for being extremely reluctant to pay out on loss of value policies. 

[IKOTA]

5 hours ago, Le Tigre said:

Oh, and also, an agent can be sued for extending faulty or fraudulent advice by which the client relies upon. 

Sure, they CAN be sued, but proving such a claim is a tall task, wouldn’t you say? 

[|BlackJesus|]

4 hours ago, PatternMaster said:

How is a player trying to maximize their earning potential a scumbag

 

I said the scumbag is Tee's agent (Mulugheta), not Tee. Nowhere do I criticize Tee at all. I think he's being manipulated by his agent. 

[PatternMaster]

19 minutes ago, sparky151 said:

If the Bengals offered 20 mil or more per year, Tee should have taken it. As it is, he's playing for under 4 mil this season, will get tagged for about 22 mil next year, then the team has the option to tag him for 2025 at around 26.5 mil. He's carrying at least 2 and maybe 3 seasons of injury risk. If he has a serious knee injury, he may never make what he's turned down. If he stays healthy, he can play 10 years or more in the NFL. He's not a burner, he wins at the point of attack with size and strength. That isn't going away. 

 

So he should have signed an extension for at least 2 or 3 seasons and banked some real money in case he gets hurt. He can buy insurance but the specialist insurance companies are known for being extremely reluctant to pay out on loss of value policies. 

 

I think Tee is looking at how his agent handled Jessie Bates, NFC Defensive Player of the Week, contract and is fine with that plan of action Tee can play here for 2 more years(this season and one franchise deal), see if he can win a Super Bowl, and then get paid to be a #1 WR somewhere else. 

 

Bates is the 4th highest-paid player at his position and made more money in a signing bonus with his new deal then he did his entire career up to that point, who wouldn't want an agent with a track record of getting his clients generational wealth?

 

[sparky151]

Bates is a very good safety, Higgins is a very good receiver. The Bengals were going to let Bates go after getting Hill a year of practice. They aren't going to let Higgins walk so they can hand the WR2 spot over to a rookie or Iosivas. So Tee isn't going to be on the market next year. He'll be tagged. Possibly the Bengals will trade him but more likely they keep him and he can either play on the tag or hold out. And the team will hold a tag option on him for 2025. Maybe Mulugheta thinks the team won't tag him because they want to pay Chase. But the Bengals can easily delay a big extension for Chase to after his 4th year while tagging Tee. 

 

The status quo is Tee can make about 51 mil over the next 3 years between his rookie deal and 2 tags. That's not a lot compared to a less than top of market extension and the latter comes with more guaranteed money. 

[Jamie_B]

4 minutes ago, sparky151 said:

Bates is a very good safety, Higgins is a very good receiver. The Bengals were going to let Bates go after getting Hill a year of practice. They aren't going to let Higgins walk so they can hand the WR2 spot over to a rookie or Iosivas. So Tee isn't going to be on the market next year. He'll be tagged. Possibly the Bengals will trade him but more likely they keep him and he can either play on the tag or hold out. And the team will hold a tag option on him for 2025. Maybe Mulugheta thinks the team won't tag him because they want to pay Chase. But the Bengals can easily delay a big extension for Chase to after his 4th year while tagging Tee. 

 

The status quo is Tee can make about 51 mil over the next 3 years between his rookie deal and 2 tags. That's not a lot compared to a less than top of market extension and the latter comes with more guaranteed money. 

 

 

This is especially true with Boyd also being in a contract year. 

[|BlackJesus|]

15 minutes ago, sparky151 said:

The status quo is Tee can make about 51 mil over the next 3 years between his rookie deal and 2 tags. 

 

Exactly! Which is what a responsible agent would be telling him. Tee has very little leverage. And Mike Brown does not buckle when using his tags. 

 

The prudent thing to do would be to cash in now on a 4 year deal with a nice bonus and then Tee can get another bite at the free agent apple again by age 28-29. This would set up Tee's grandchildren for life even if he's injured.

 

But his agent is more worried about being seen as taking a "low offer" (his reputation) than protecting Tee's future from injury. 

[Le Tigre]

2 hours ago, sparky151 said:

He can buy insurance but the specialist insurance companies are known for being extremely reluctant to pay out on loss of value policies. 

I have always found professional athlete personal injury insurance fascinating. I wish I had happenstance to become involved in cases involving this area, but unfortunately not. 

 

With that said, and without actually seeing a policy or its language, I am curious as to instances where "specialist insurance companies are known for being extremely reluctant to pay out loss of values polices" 

 

Insurance policy limits are set to a max amount. Trevor Lawrence bought a policy for himself for $5million during his last season in Clemson as safeguard in the event of injury. He likely could not get a higher limit--as it was for certain he was going to make quantumly more once drafted. It's a business of risk, so perhaps to get higher limits would cost a lot more...or no company wished to take on the risk. Dunno.