T-Dub Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 15 minutes ago, IKOTA said: Wtf is wrong with you? Quote Drew Sample engaged in sexual acts with your wife or something? You brought it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 2 hours ago, T-Dub said: Glad someone here understands what that means and the sort of message it sends to the locker room. People act like pointing this out means we think he should be taken behind the stadium and dumped in the river. Kinda emotional in here IDK. Like this "did he sleep with your wife"" shit? Nah bro but it sounds like you'd like to watch him with yours. Weird. Co-sign... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 1 hour ago, sparky151 said: Tobin would probably claim it sends the message that "we reward our own" or some such. Players might well take it differently, like "play internal politics and you'll get ahead". That's a Good Thing ™️ when they're being rewarded for football reasons. When they let draft position or money owed weigh into things it gets murkier. Makes it seem like the decision makers are more concerned with covering their asses when they screw up. It's odd because even the best GMs/scouts whiff sometimes, but also because the team almost never fires anyone to begin with. What's the concern? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 1 hour ago, sparky151 said: I think you're right that there's no chance the Bengals cut him. But the offense needs a TE who can block, not necessarily Sample. And, as noted above, there are plenty of better blocking TEs around. Or, dare I suggest, they draft a TE who can do both? Or if he goes down early in the year again as in 2022, they can just sign a guy off the street. Remember how the Bengals offense crashed and burned when Sample was done for the year? Oh, wait... You may remember Marvin's quote along the lines of Kelly was a grown man who could handle DEs. Sample+Jonah couldn't handle Watt. Sample is certainly a better blocker in the backfield than Mixon was. But inline he isn't a receiving threat and was behind a couple dozen other TEs as a pass blocker. Ultra dependable? Are you kidding? He's missed 22 games in his 5 year career. That's more than a fourth of them. Why are they paying him triple the AAV on this year's contract compared to last year when he was a free agent? Were they worried about the Titans or something? If the Titans had paid him nearly as much as the Bengals did, he'd qualify us for a comp pick. I want the Bengals to spend to the cap. But spend it more efficiently and pay the difference makers. Giving Sample a (relatively) big contract is tripling down on error. He was overdrafted in the second round initially. Not his fault but poor evaluation by Tobin. Then Tobin botched the first round last year, choosing Murphy when we could have turned that pick into multiple good players such as Jones, Washington (a better as well as less expensive blocking TE) plus an early 2nd rounder this year. Tobin would probably claim it sends the message that "we reward our own" or some such. Players might well take it differently, like "play internal politics and you'll get ahead". Or just maybe the Blackburn women are bumping his contract up a mil than some seem to think he should be paid for his contributions to the team for all these years. Everyone from Katy to the players like and respect this guy. He's our TE this year. Let it go.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 58 minutes ago, IKOTA said: Wtf is wrong with you? You made a derogatory remark about a members wife which should be taboo. Say what you want but leave that type of comment alone. Your a smart guy ..you know that was over the line. And so it goes on here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 17 minutes ago, claptonrocks said: He's our TE this year. Let it go.. Mm, no, that'd be Mike Gesicki. Doubtful that Bowers makes it past 10-12 but maybe Sanders or Stover are there in the 2nd. Sinnott from K State is supposed to be a good blocker that can catch, if a tad slow downfield, so could be an option in the mid rounds. Point being if they draft someone like that it'd probably make Sample the 3rd string TE in short order. But hey, ya know.. Go off. This whole kerfuffle started because I suggested Drew Sample probably wouldn't still be here if they hadn't spent a 2nd round pick on him initially. I'll stand by that. It doesn't mean he sucks outright or kicks puppies, just that the team seems to overvalue the guy despite his lack of production based on a scouting report from 5 years ago. Then as it turns out, his blocking isn't actually that great according to people who try to grade this stuff. Why it angers some fans to even suggest that.. I have no idea. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griever Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 4 minutes ago, T-Dub said: Mm, no, that'd be Mike Gesicki. Doubtful that Bowers makes it past 10-12 but maybe Sanders or Stover are there in the 2nd. Sinnott from K State is supposed to be a good blocker that can catch, if a tad slow downfield, so could be an option in the mid rounds. Assuming they draft someone like that it'd probably make Sample the 3rd string TE in short order. But hey, ya know.. Go off. That's who I'd like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 1 minute ago, Griever said: That's who I'd like I like what I've read. Where is he supposed to land in the more recent mocks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 5 minutes ago, Griever said: That's who I'd like Same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griever Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 4 minutes ago, T-Dub said: I like what I've read. Where is he supposed to land in the more recent mocks? mid-to-late Day 2 consideration? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKOTA Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 1 hour ago, T-Dub said: You literally brought the subject up yourself rushing to defend some marginal NFL player that doesn't know you exist. It was weird then and only gets weirder when you flip your shit over someone pointing it out. Now you're calling me names over it. Get a grip, it's really not that serious. Drew Sample will be ok, I promise. Sorry to the board in advance, but this needs to be done. Weird you say huh? Let’s talk about weird. It’s weird how you say “it’s really not that serious” yet you have how many posts in this thread about this? All repeating the same damn thing. A barrage of them, you and Sparky both. You won’t STFU about it. Constantly bringing Samples salary and worthlessness up and bringing everyone else here down. You think you haven’t made your feelings about it known after this many posts? How much time have you put into those posts for something that’s “not that serious”. Now THAT’S Weird! And I’m the one that needs to get a grip? lol Know what else is weird? Saying that I’m defending someone who doesn’t know me; in Drew Sample, and who I’m inconsequential to yet here you are defending Sparky who we could say the same about with you. Textbook case of the psychological principle that is Projection. Now kindly do everyone a huge favor and STFU about overpaid TEs and how inept the Bengals are and how it’s such a horrible life being a Bengals fan with Mike Brown as the owner and how they don’t know how to do anything right. We get it. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 11 minutes ago, IKOTA said: Sorry to the board in advance, but this needs to be done. Weird you say huh? Let’s talk about weird. It’s weird how you say “it’s really not that serious” yet you have how many posts in this thread about this? All repeating the same damn thing. A barrage of them, you and Sparky both. You won’t STFU about it. Constantly bringing Samples salary and worthlessness up and bringing everyone else here down. You think you haven’t made your feelings about it known after this many posts? How much time have you put into those posts for something that’s “not that serious”. Now THAT’S Weird! And I’m the one that needs to get a grip? lol Know what else is weird? Saying that I’m defending someone who doesn’t know me; in Drew Sample, and who I’m inconsequential to yet here you are defending Sparky who we could say the same about with you. Textbook case of the psychological principle that is Projection. Now kindly do everyone a huge favor and STFU about overpaid TEs and how inept the Bengals are and how it’s such a horrible life being a Bengals fan with Mike Brown as the owner and how they don’t know how to do anything right. We get it. LOL this mf thinks he's a therapist now & Designated Spokesman for Everyone tl;dr Get over yourself, goofball. Tell it to your Drew Sample Fathead sticker or something, IDK, but you sound positively triggered rn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 4 minutes ago, T-Dub said: LOL this mf thinks he's a therapist now. tl;dr Get over yourself, goofball. I am a therapist....it is projection. And Drew Sample is the greatest TE that the world has ever seen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 3 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said: I am a therapist....it is projection. And Drew Sample is the greatest TE that the world has ever seen. You sound immensely qualified and while I'd love to continue the discussion about Drew Sample or TE's in general, apparently this is a "Let's talk about someone's wife" thread now. Which is a very normal and not-weird thing to interject, I think you'd agree. Judging from the Joe Mixon threads all we need is a few more authoritative declarations of how the team won't cut him. When that happens you know he should be packing his bags 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 22 minutes ago, IKOTA said: Textbook case of the psychological principle that is Projection. Now kindly do everyone a huge favor and STFU about overpaid TEs and how inept the Bengals are and how it’s such a horrible life being a Bengals fan with Mike Brown as the owner and how they don’t know how to do anything right. We get it. LMAO yes let's talk about "projection" WEIRD. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 17 hours ago, Jamie_B said: It's weird to me to see people understand the importance of Reggie Kelly shit on Drew Sample. It's weird to me we can't argue about something so inconsequential without people getting in their feelings, yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griever Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 Let's uh...get back to Sinnott shall we? Nearly an hour long show dedicated to mostly film watching. Positives and negatives for sure. Starts around the 4 min mark if you wanna skip the intro. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Montana Bengal| Posted March 30 Author Report Share Posted March 30 Why the fuck are all of us having to read through bullshit drama? Isn't it a little early? You guys need to cut this she out. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 4 hours ago, T-Dub said: It's weird to me we can't argue about something so inconsequential without people getting in their feelings, yet... Arguing over inconsequential things is boring Clearly we're in that part of the offseason 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 13 hours ago, claptonrocks said: Or just maybe the Blackburn women are bumping his contract up a mil than some seem to think he should be paid for his contributions to the team for all these years. Everyone from Katy to the players like and respect this guy. He's our TE this year. Let it go.. Then that's a double mistake. Teams should pay for future production, not past achievements. Sample has been in the NFL for 5 years and half his career catches and over half his yardage came back in the 2020 season. That's not even the recent past and if they just wanted to reward him for being a good boy, they could have done it last year when he was also a free agent who didn't attract interest from any other team. I don't recall him even being noted as taking visits elsewhere before re-signing with the Bengals for the vet minimum. 13 hours ago, T-Dub said: Mm, no, that'd be Mike Gesicki. Doubtful that Bowers makes it past 10-12 but maybe Sanders or Stover are there in the 2nd. Sinnott from K State is supposed to be a good blocker that can catch, if a tad slow downfield, so could be an option in the mid rounds. Point being if they draft someone like that it'd probably make Sample the 3rd string TE in short order. But hey, ya know.. Go off. This whole kerfuffle started because I suggested Drew Sample probably wouldn't still be here if they hadn't spent a 2nd round pick on him initially. I'll stand by that. It doesn't mean he sucks outright or kicks puppies, just that the team seems to overvalue the guy despite his lack of production based on a scouting report from 5 years ago. Then as it turns out, his blocking isn't actually that great according to people who try to grade this stuff. Why it angers some fans to even suggest that.. I have no idea. Gesicki should be an upgrade over the Smith/Hudson combo from last year. But they played more snaps than Sample. 13 hours ago, T-Dub said: I like what I've read. Where is he supposed to land in the more recent mocks? Sinnott seems to be a late 3rd rounder in most mocks lately, comparable with Stover. Bowers is first obviously, then Sanders usually goes in round 2. Sinnott/Stover, even Theo Johnson go in the 3rd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 Sample took a free agent visit to Arizona last offseason before resigning with Cincinnati. Coming off of a season lost to injury, the Bengals seemed prepared to let Sample go elsewhere. Which of course blows the silly theory that the Bengals only gave him a 3 year extension because he was a former 2nd rounder to smithereens. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 1 minute ago, dex said: Sample took a free agent visit to Arizona last offseason before resigning with Cincinnati. Coming off of a season lost to injury, the Bengals seemed prepared to let Sample go elsewhere. Which of course blows the silly theory that the Bengals only gave him a 3 year extension because he was a former 2nd rounder to smithereens. Pretty much this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 So why did the Bengals triple Sample's salary? What was the great play or talent that he showed last year that opened their eyes and made them think "we can't let Drew get away"? What makes him more valuable or harder to replace than Gesicki? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 3 hours ago, Jamie_B said: Arguing over inconsequential things is boring Clearly we're in that part of the offseason So maybe just don't read it instead of pretending we have the credentials to psychoanalyze someone with a bunch of painfully transparent concern trolling nonsense based on an argument over pro football. That is also an option available to everyone. Honestly... Sorry I don't like someone's favorite jock but in fact life is pretty good lately. As if anyone actually gives a shit and wasn't just trying to win an argument about (checks notes) a marginal 2nd string pro football player. Psychoanalyze that, maybe. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 2 hours ago, sparky151 said: Then that's a double mistake. Teams should pay for future production, not past achievements. Sample has been in the NFL for 5 years and half his career catches and over half his yardage came back in the 2020 season. That's not even the recent past and if they just wanted to reward him for being a good boy, they could have done it last year when he was also a free agent who didn't attract interest from any other team. I don't recall him even being noted as taking visits elsewhere before re-signing with the Bengals for the vet minimum. Gesicki should be an upgrade over the Smith/Hudson combo from last year. But they played more snaps than Sample. Sinnott seems to be a late 3rd rounder in most mocks lately, comparable with Stover. Bowers is first obviously, then Sanders usually goes in round 2. Sinnott/Stover, even Theo Johnson go in the 3rd. A scenario where we manage to draft this guy with a comp pick would be pretty cool. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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