T-Dub Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 7 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: Why do we think Katie is any different and not her fathers daughter Thank you for asking this question so I didn't have to 😅 no ninja Can't be "Katie's Team" but someone else's fault whenever they do something wrong. Where does the buck stop, exactly? If you don't think Papa Mike still has final say on things you're fooling yourself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 2 hours ago, Le Tigre said: Janes Hardin is a gypsy player. His winds up a malcontent everywhere he's been 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sois Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 54 minutes ago, claptonrocks said: Principles yes. You honor your deal as he will. Integrity. Ask any player if Mike had that quality? Nick Scott would say soP didn't honor his word. I guess it's ok cause Nick Scott was garbage. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 1 hour ago, T-Dub said: Thank you for asking this question so I didn't have to 😅 no ninja Can't be "Katie's Team" but someone else's fault whenever they do something wrong. Where does the buck stop, exactly? If you don't think Papa Mike still has final say on things you're fooling yourself. Until I see them do what they need to be doing AFTER they sign the QB I will always have my doubts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 Just now, Jamie_B said: Until I see them do what they need to be doing AFTER they sign the QB I will always have my doubts. I've gotten a lot of grief over admitting I'm worried they intend to simply ride his popularity for as long as they can get away with it. The big OL upgrade was signing a guy that's played one full season in the last 5 years. Too many half-measures IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 2 hours ago, sois said: Nick Scott would say soP didn't honor his word. I guess it's ok cause Nick Scott was garbage. Yes he was. He and Irv Smith were disasters. They still were paid well for non existent performances. Sometimes u have to cut bait. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sois Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 2 minutes ago, claptonrocks said: Yes he was. He and Irv Smith were disasters. They still were paid well for non existent performances. Sometimes u have to cut bait. And sometimes you have to hold out our demand trade to get your billions 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 14 minutes ago, sois said: And sometimes you have to hold out our demand trade to get your billions Maybe . You know that doesn't work with the Bengals. You sign. you play .they pay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sois Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 2 minutes ago, claptonrocks said: Maybe . You know that doesn't work with the Bengals. You sign. you play .they pay. Still an amateur hour shop after all these years I guess. Make an exception for your best defender and top 3 talent in the team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 1 minute ago, sois said: Still an amateur hour shop after all these years I guess. Make an exception for your best defender and top 3 talent in the team. Business Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sois Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 16 minutes ago, claptonrocks said: Business Good businesses are flexible 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 3 hours ago, sois said: Good businesses are flexible Good businesses understand they're not the only hot dog stand in Hungrytown. There are 31 other teams out there for whom success means working to make sure everyone else fails. There are a handful that are trainwrecks no one should try to emulate but for the most part it's an open competition for talent. An individual owner's moral code or ideas about what's fair & right or wrong don't amount to shit. If even a handful of those other teams are willing to pay someone X amount, that's the standard. If they're willing to spend X amount on scouts, coaching, facilities, or free Gatorade then that is the standard everyone else has to try to match. How ownership feels about it doesn't matter. It has at times seemed like the Bengals FO were trying to win a merit badge that doesn't exist. There are Superbowl trophies and then there's whether everyone thinks Mike Brown is a smart businessman & swell guy. It's not always been clear which of those 2 things were the goal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sois Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 Ok. Well our hotdog stand has the most prime, kosher, no butthole containing weiners in the world and we are about to let the brioche buns become disgruntled because the owner has his little "rules". There are windows in this game. I don't want to go back to the vienna sausage red rockets. We have thick, juicy, girthy bratwursts for sale now and we need all of the prime condiments. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 2 minutes ago, sois said: Ok. Well our hotdog stand has the most prime, kosher, no butthole containing weiners in the world and we are about to let the brioche buns become disgruntled because the owner has his little "rules". There are windows in this game. I don't want to go back to the vienna sausage red rockets. We have thick, juicy, girthy bratwursts for sale now and we need all of the prime condiments. I'm getting hungry.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 17 hours ago, claptonrocks said: Janes Hardin is a gypsy player. His winds up a malcontent everywhere he's been The Beard has nothing to do with it. Daryl Morey is a lying sack of crap. Owners and/or GM’s have been known to pull the bait and switch. Or is this not possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 4 minutes ago, Le Tigre said: The Beard has nothing to do with it. Daryl Morey is a lying sack of crap. Owners and/or GM’s have been known to pull the bait and switch. Or is this not possible? Alright then.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 Do we think he seriously would retire? Because he's not getting traded. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBR Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 3 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: Do we think he seriously would retire? Because he's not getting traded. I don't. Not this year at least. I could see him hold out until they start the regular season, playing and then "retiring" (without actually filing the paper work) immediately after the season to force a trade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 24 minutes ago, BBR said: I don't. Not this year at least. I could see him hold out until they start the regular season, playing and then "retiring" (without actually filing the paper work) immediately after the season to force a trade. Force a trade? From the Bengals? LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 42 minutes ago, BBR said: I don't. Not this year at least. I could see him hold out until they start the regular season, playing and then "retiring" (without actually filing the paper work) immediately after the season to force a trade. Same. So if he and Tee hold out till the season starts do we think it prevents us from getting a fast start? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 7 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: Same. So if he and Tee hold out till the season starts do we think it prevents us from getting a fast start I don't see Tee or Trey holding out but yeah it could have consequences . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Treehorn Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 The big difference between Tee or Trey holding out is that Tee is not under contract because he hasn't signed the franchise tag so he can't be fined for missing time. Trey, however, is under contract and can face pretty harsh fines if he were to skip out on training camp and any other mandatory practices. I believe these fines aren't even up to the team to dole out or not. If I recall, they are given by default based on the CBA and the team has no say in it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBR Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 I expect the Bengals to start with 2 away games - Stealers should be up for game 1 (Browns & Ravens last 2 years) and someone like the Panthers. So, no I think we'll have to winnable games to start off the season. Plus it's not like everyone else on the team won't be practicing and I don't think Higgins or Hendrickson are going to just sit on the couch all summer eating chips ans salsa non-stop. I'd expect both of them to come in ready to go. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 15 minutes ago, claptonrocks said: I don't see Tee or Trey holding out but yeah it could have consequences . I think at least one of them hold out until the start of the season. 14 minutes ago, Jackie Treehorn said: The big difference between Tee or Trey holding out is that Tee is not under contract because he hasn't signed the franchise tag so he can't be fined for missing time. Trey, however, is under contract and can face pretty harsh fines if he were to skip out on training camp and any other mandatory practices. I believe these fines aren't even up to the team to dole out or not. If I recall, they are given by default based on the CBA and the team has no say in it. When is the final day he can sign it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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