ESPN's Ryan Clark: Bengals' Mike Brown 'absolutely robbing' Ja'Marr Chase with no new deal

[|SF2|]

12 hours ago, Dautcom08 said:

 

To play devils advocate, maybe Chase knows this and is the one playing the waiting game.  He wanted to wait until Jefferson's deal was done maybe he now wants to wait for CeeDee to set the bar even higher and he's not practicing just because that's his "plan" and this is all just a big overreaction...? 🤷‍♂️

Dude, Jefferson and Lamb were drafted in 2020 NOT 2021 like Chase. The Bengals have him under contract for 2 more years. I am not sure why this is hard to understand.  
 

Yeah, they signed Joe after 3 years, QB is WAY more important than WR and doing it earlier helps spread out a WAY bigger number.   

[|SF2|]

23 hours ago, BlackJesus said:

^ Life changing, yes. But it's all relative. 

 

Going from 30 million to 150 million, is a huge jump and now you have "Fuck you, my great grand kids will still be rich, generational wealth." 

 

And he's not a normal person. He's one of the 5 most athletic football players on planet earth at the moment. So we can't compare his earnings to a Walmart greeter.

 

He wants the bag that he's earned and deserves, as some scrubs who are not nearly good as him already got there's this off-season. 

The people that GOT THEIR’s are going into their 5th season NOT 4th. Jefferson, a BETTER WR, was drafted in 2020, NOT 2021.  Lamb and Aiyuk were both  drafted in 2020 as well and neither has been signed yet.
 

Who are these WR scrubs you speak of that were drafted in 2021 that have gotten theirs?    Obviously, if they are later draft choices their contracts were up but didn’t get shit their first few years. 

[Jackie Treehorn]

1 hour ago, SF2 said:

The people that GOT THEIR’s are going into their 5th season NOT 4th. Jefferson, a BETTER WR, was drafted in 2020, NOT 2021.  Lamb and Aiyuk were both  drafted in 2020 as well and neither has been signed yet.
 

Who are these WR scrubs you speak of that were drafted in 2021 that have gotten theirs?    Obviously, if they are later draft choices their contracts were up but didn’t get shit their first few years. 

Jaylen Waddle and Devonta Smith have both been extended and were drafted the same year in round 1 with Chase.

[|SF2|]

46 minutes ago, Jackie Treehorn said:

Jaylen Waddle and Devonta Smith have both been extended and were drafted the same year in round 1 with Chase.

Their contracts are nothing close to what Chase’s agent is asking. 

[dex]

Hope Chase's agent holds firm on the percentage of guaranteed money being competitive with the 31 other teams in the NFL. Just like the way JT Watt's contract did with the Stealers, Chase's contract could change the way the Bengals have to structure contracts if a new precedent gets set.

 

Maybe management doesn't like the change it might cause, but like with Pittsburgh it could help them retain more of their top players in the future. Other than being bad enough to have an opportunity to draft Joe Burrow, this Chase contract could be the best thing to ever happen to this very stubborn organization. Or at least to its most loyal fans.

[dex]

The Athletic- Paul Dehner:

 

CINCINNATI -- Ja’Marr Chase sat out for the seventh consecutive practice to start camp as communication continues between his camp and the team over a potential contract extension.

 

His hold-in doesn’t look to be coming to an end any time soon.

 

For now, the official language from head coach Zac Taylor is that a plan is in place and he’s comfortable with the communication he’s had with his star receiver.

 

Bengals president Mike Brown stated they would “bend over backwards” to sign Chase long-term, but he is still under the terms of his rookie contract for two more seasons.

 

It was this time last year Burrow’s camp was in negotiations with ownership over his extension that ended up being the richest in NFL history. It was announced at the kickoff of the Thursday night football game to start the the season between the Chiefs and Lions.

 

“I went through it last year, so I kind of have some insight into how these things kind of go,” Burrow said. “So we've been creating a dialogue and talking through certain things, obviously. His business is his business. But I've been able to give some insight into how my process was because I think it's pretty similar.”

 

Will it be similar enough that this lasts right up until the opening game of the season? Nobody can say for certain right now but Burrow knows how much work he needs with Chase to feel comfortable for the opener on September 9th.

 

“Couple practices,” Burrow said. “Once he's out there, it's one indy period and he'll be ready to go.”

[sparky151]

Chase is really 4 years away from the open market as the team would tag him twice before then. If Chase would accept an AAY similar to Smith or Waddle, he might get his deal this year. If he wants Jefferson money he ought to be discounting it significantly. Getting paid a year early is probably worth a 10% discount. Then not being quite as good as JJ should be another 5%. So, instead of a 35 mil average, something like 30-31 mil per year. If Chase agreed to that and to spreading the guaranteed money over the next several years, it might get done.

 

Otherwise Mike Brown may well prefer to save the 25 mil this year as it's equivalent to saving 6 mil per year on a 4 year extension.

 

 

[T-Dub]

11 minutes ago, sparky151 said:

Chase is really 4 years away from the open market as the team would tag him twice before then. If Chase would accept an AAY similar to Smith or Waddle, he might get his deal this year. If he wants Jefferson money he ought to be discounting it significantly. Getting paid a year early is probably worth a 10% discount. Then not being quite as good as JJ should be another 5%. So, instead of a 35 mil average, something like 30-31 mil per year. If Chase agreed to that and to spreading the guaranteed money over the next several years, it might get done.

 

Otherwise Mike Brown may well prefer to save the 25 mil this year as it's equivalent to saving 6 mil per year on a 4 year extension.

 

 

 

& again he's making $20M+ guaranteed next year as it stands. Why is he at camp but refusing to work again? Send his ass home. This ain't The Disgruntled Ja'Marr Show, everyone else is out there sweating for a championship run while he has his little pity party. Nah. FOH with that.

 

Give Higgins the extension if anyone.

[|BlackJesus|]

The Bengals knew 2 years ago at the Super Bowl, that going forward there were 2 players who had to be re-signed no matter what, at the soonest possible point they could be. 1. Burrow, 2. Ja'Marr. 

 

They had plenty of time to get this done. And they need to get it done asap as this team has Super Bowl expectations again.

 

It wouldn't matter if he had 5 years on his deal. It's the first time he can get a raise on his rookie contract and he justifiably wants one. Because he's the 2nd best player on the team, and pivotal to the future success of the franchise, you give it to him. Pretty simple. After all, 31 other teams would gladly give him the extension he wants. 

[claptonrocks]

1 hour ago, BlackJesus said:

The Bengals knew 2 years ago at the Super Bowl, that going forward there were 2 players who had to be re-signed no matter what, at the soonest possible point they could be. 1. Burrow, 2. Ja'Marr. 

 

They had plenty of time to get this done. And they need to get it done asap as this team has Super Bowl expectations again.

 

It doesn't matter if he has 5 years on his deal. It's the first time he can get a raise on his rookie contract and he justifiably wants one. Because he's the 2nd best player on the team, and pivotal to the future success of the franchise, you give it to him. Pretty simple. After all, 31 other teams would gladly give him the extension he wants. 

31 teams ....you bet

 

[New Jersey Bengal]

On 8/1/2024 at 4:21 PM, claptonrocks said:

Maybe so..

I'll presume it goes up thru Chase's contact and yrs after.

 

This is the new Bengals they will get a deal done no doubt

[claptonrocks]

8 minutes ago, New Jersey Bengal said:

This is the new Bengals they will get a deal done no doubt

Mike holding on to rook deal .

Blackburn women loosening him up 

to get it done soon..

Great deal yeah..

[HereSince68]

"If you want a different result, make different choices" John Assaraf. Assaraf also said, "Everything in your life is a reflection of a choice you have made"  Come on, Mike!

[dex]

 

[T-Dub]

On 8/2/2024 at 3:31 PM, claptonrocks said:

31 teams ....you bet

 

 

Is it really 31 teams doing this or is it 4-5 bottom feeders with a bunch of scrubs on the roster that can afford a $100M guarantee for one WR?

[claptonrocks]

26 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

 

Is it really 31 teams doing this or is it 4-5 bottom feeders with a bunch of scrubs on the roster that can afford a $100M guarantee for one WR?

Good point..

Would you not say half?

[T-Dub]

11 minutes ago, claptonrocks said:

Good point..

Would you not say half?

 

With more than $50M or so guaranteed to a non-QB?  Honestly don't know for certain but I seriously doubt it.

[dex]

9 hours ago, T-Dub said:

 

Is it really 31 teams doing this or is it 4-5 bottom feeders with a bunch of scrubs on the roster that can afford a $100M guarantee for one WR?

All 32 NFL teams can afford it if they structure their contracts in a creative way to exploit a rising cap because of exploding revenues. Teams like Cleveland and Philadelphia pay franchise salaries to their QBs (even if their QBs might not be franchise quality) but are still able to offer enough guaranteed money to get all of their core players to sign extensions. Cincinnati could easily have signed Bates and Higgins to extensions if they worked the system like some teams do. The Eagles earlier this year extended their WR1/WR2/LT/etc. and still are ranked 11th best in terms of available cap space. The Browns are ranked 7th. 

 

You would think that the Bengals would have much more available cap space than either of those teams, but you would be wrong. Because Cincinnati likes to frontload their contracts rather than pay out big guaranteed money, they are only ranked 14th in the league in available cap space. 

 

Here is an excellent article on how Philadelphia is able to exploit the system:

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/does-the-salary-cap-actually-exist-for-the-eagles-how-howie-roseman-became-a-magician-at-manipulating-the-cap/

[T-Dub]

3 hours ago, dex said:

All 32 NFL teams can afford it if they structure their contracts in a creative way to exploit a rising cap because of exploding revenues. Teams like Cleveland and Philadelphia pay franchise salaries to their QBs (even if their QBs might not be franchise quality) but are still able to offer enough guaranteed money to get all of their core players to sign extensions. Cincinnati could easily have signed Bates and Higgins to extensions if they worked the system like some teams do. The Eagles earlier this year extended their WR1/WR2/LT/etc. and still are ranked 11th best in terms of available cap space. The Browns are ranked 7th. 

 

You would think that the Bengals would have much more available cap space than either of those teams, but you would be wrong. Because Cincinnati likes to frontload their contracts rather than pay out big guaranteed money, they are only ranked 14th in the league in available cap space. 

 

Here is an excellent article on how Philadelphia is able to exploit the system:

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/does-the-salary-cap-actually-exist-for-the-eagles-how-howie-roseman-became-a-magician-at-manipulating-the-cap/

 

Maybe they can afford it, but they're not doing it because they don't want to be stuck spending a large % of their budget on guys that can no longer play for whatever reason.  I've seen the Bengals hang on to enough injured or underperforming players over far less money. If they start guaranteeing everyone's contract they're never going to cut anyone.

 

It's bad business.