ESPN's Ryan Clark: Bengals' Mike Brown 'absolutely robbing' Ja'Marr Chase with no new deal

[dex]

8 minutes ago, Le Tigre said:

In all honesty…should any of we scruffy mortals actually care what his “life-changing financial security against injury” is? It isn’t yours or my “financial security”. 

We should only care if you want the Bengals to remain a Super Bowl contender in a very strong, competitive conference deep into the Burrow era.

 

But if winning big isn't a consideration for Bengals fans...then hell no, we shouldn't give the slightest damn.

[T-Dub]

His current contract is entirely guaranteed and worth $30,819,641.  That isn't life changing?

 

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/72384/jamarr-chase

[|BlackJesus|]

^ Life changing, yes. But it's all relative. 

 

Going from 30 million to 150 million, is a huge jump and now you have "Fuck you, my great grand kids will still be rich, generational wealth." 

 

And he's not a normal person. He's one of the 5 most athletic football players on planet earth at the moment. So we can't compare his earnings to a Walmart greeter.

 

He wants the bag that he's earned and deserves, as some scrubs who are not nearly good as him already got there's this off-season. 

[T-Dub]

I'm throwing out last year on account of Burrow's injury. Chase himself missed a few starts the year before so let's look at his OROY season in 2021.

 

20th in receptions

4th in yards

2nd yards/catch

3rd in TD's

13th in 1st downs

12th in YAC (among WR's)

 

He's a great WR no doubt & I hope he's in stripes for a long time.  His chemistry with Burrow is not something quantifiable (this goes for Higgins as well.)

 

That being said, he's not a singular & unique talent the rest of the NFL is staring up at in envy.  There are a whole lot of guys who are probably worth more on the free agent market than what their team is paying them.  Some of them even play for the Bengals.  How many of them are watching the rest of their team work out from the sideline over it?

 

 

 

[Homer_Rice]

I'm with T-Dub. If worse comes to worst, then let him go. Bengals are deep at receiver and always will be as long as they have Burrow.

 

However, people should remember that there are negotiating tactics and there is intransigence. So long as both parties are acting in good faith then something will get done. Bengals FO has demonstrated in recent years a willingness to be flexible and Chase is showing good faith by being in camp. A deal will get done, not on our timetable, but on the timetable of the interested parties. As it should be.

[PatternMaster]

8 hours ago, Homer_Rice said:

I'm with T-Dub. If worse comes to worst, then let him go. Bengals are deep at receiver and always will be as long as they have Burrow.

 

However, people should remember that there are negotiating tactics and there is intransigence. So long as both parties are acting in good faith then something will get done. Bengals FO has demonstrated in recent years a willingness to be flexible and Chase is showing good faith by being in camp. A deal will get done, not on our timetable, but on the timetable of the interested parties. As it should be.

Good points, it's just that the obvious thing is to extend Chase now as the longer you wait the more expensive it becomes. The price is only going up, so waiting until the next offseason isn't going to save you any money, it's just making things unnecessarily complicated. 

 

There are some players you negotiate with and some players you take care of, but the Bengals ownership group doesn't seem to understand that.

 

If all of the top WRs from Chase's draft class can get an extension after their 3rd year and Burrow can get an extension after his 3rd year, then why can't Chase? It's arguable that he's been the most consistent player on the team and the reason for the success of the team as they didn't start winning big until he was drafted.

[PatternMaster]

10 hours ago, T-Dub said:

His current contract is entirely guaranteed and worth $30,819,641.  That isn't life changing?

 

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/72384/jamarr-chase

 

If all of your peers were making 150 million and you made 30 million, but you were considered to be one of the best amoung them you would feel underpaid too...no one feels sorry for Chase and he's asking for anyone's sympathy, it's just frustrating to see the Bengals living out the stereotypes that have associated with this franchise. 

 

Mike Brown has fucked more things than he has gotten right, to see him obviously mishandling something important is disappointing and frustrating to many fans..

[Dautcom08]

7 minutes ago, PatternMaster said:

Good points, it's just that the obvious thing is to extend Chase now as the longer you wait the more expensive it becomes. The price is only going up, so waiting until the next offseason isn't going to save you any money, it's just making things unnecessarily complicated. 

 

There are some players you negotiate with and some players you take care of, but the Bengals ownership group doesn't seem to understand that.

 

If all of the top WRs from Chase's draft class can get an extension after their 3rd year and Burrow can get an extension after his 3rd year, then why can't Chase? It's arguable that he's been the most consistent player on the team and the reason for the success of the team as they didn't start winning big until he was drafted.

 

To play devils advocate, maybe Chase knows this and is the one playing the waiting game.  He wanted to wait until Jefferson's deal was done maybe he now wants to wait for CeeDee to set the bar even higher and he's not practicing just because that's his "plan" and this is all just a big overreaction...? 🤷‍♂️

[PatternMaster]

19 minutes ago, Dautcom08 said:

 

To play devils advocate, maybe Chase knows this and is the one playing the waiting game.  He wanted to wait until Jefferson's deal was done maybe he now wants to wait for CeeDee to set the bar even higher and he's not practicing just because that's his "plan" and this is all just a big overreaction...? 🤷‍♂️

If that was the case he would be practicing, players don't send a message to ownership by holding out or in if they are happy with their contract situation. 

[Jamie_B]

On 7/30/2024 at 5:11 PM, BlackJesus said:

 

 

I'm with TJ on this one. The only reason they might not want to do it is paying Jamar and Tee big money in the same year, but we aren't going to sign anyone else that might be costly at this point. This makes no sense to me.

[|SF2|]

   Never sign a WR after year 3 if you still have him for 2 years.  Jefferson didn’t and he never considered sitting out. That is just stupid.     

[|SF2|]

14 hours ago, Le Tigre said:

In all honesty…should any of we scruffy mortals actually care what his “life-changing financial security against injury” is? It isn’t yours or my “financial security”. 

He has already been paid life changing financial security unless he decides to pull an MC Hammer.  That point doesn’t fly.  

[Jamie_B]

40 minutes ago, SF2 said:

   Never sign a WR after year 3 if you still have him for 2 years.  Jefferson didn’t and he never considered sitting out. That is just stupid.     

 

 

But then you run into the problem of "Yesterday's price is not today's price"

 

If Jamar is in the long term plans of the team, it behooves them to get him signed sooner than later because his price is only going to go up.

[I_C_Deadpeople]

It is silly to say Chase can be 'let go' - he is an eleite talent and works hand in hand with Burrow. Further, the trend in the league right now is higher and higher percentages of contracts with a guaranteed portion. It really does not matter if the team 'does not like to do them', you simply HAVE to do them. Case closed. The guarantees are across the board too, not just QB's and WR's. 

You have to reatin your elite players and I am 100% confident a deal will get done. Not doing so would set this franchise back years and the I trust the BG's (Blackburn Gals) to understand this. The franchise value itself depends on it as does all of the recent social media and marketing changes. It goes hand in hand. 

[T-Dub]

1 hour ago, Jamie_B said:

 

 

But then you run into the problem of "Yesterday's price is not today's price"

 

If Jamar is in the long term plans of the team, it behooves them to get him signed sooner than later because his price is only going to go up.

 

He already is signed. He freely signed the contract he is playing under. Now he doesn't want to honor it because a few grossly mismanaged teams are handing out exorbitant contracts as they're desperate to hang on to the only talent on their rosters.

 

He'll make another $21M guaranteed next year playing under a year 5 option the team exercised just before the draft.

 

Yeah Mike Brown is totally mugging the poor guy.  🙄 If they're serious about not doing a new deal in training camp I'd consider sending his ass home tbh. They don't need the distraction, tell him to come back when he's ready to work. This team has bigger goals than making him happy.

[Le Tigre]

16 hours ago, BlackJesus said:

And he's not a normal person. He's one of the 5 most athletic football players on planet earth at the moment. So we can't compare his earnings to a Walmart greeter.

This is non-sequitur. And elitist. Who the hell is talking about "comparing" average working people to over-paid entertainers? 

[claptonrocks]

59 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

 

He already is signed. He freely signed the contract he is playing under. Now he doesn't want to honor it because a few grossly mismanaged teams are handing out exorbitant contracts as they're desperate to hang on to the only talent on their rosters.

 

He'll make another $21M guaranteed next year playing under a year 5 option the team exercised just before the draft.

 

Yeah Mike Brown is totally mugging the poor guy.  🙄 If they're serious about not doing a new deal in training camp I'd consider sending his ass home tbh. They don't need the distraction, tell him to come back when he's ready to work. This team has bigger goals than making him happy.

Agree somewhat..

The team does have him under contract so he may have to wait a year more.

 

I wish they'd get it done as he's the fuel for the he rocket (JB)..

 

[claptonrocks]

2 hours ago, Jamie_B said:

 

 

But then you run into the problem of "Yesterday's price is not today's price"

 

If Jamar is in the long term plans of the team, it behooves them to get him signed sooner than later because his price is only going to go up.

Price goes up yes.

So does the cap per year.

Maybe they see it that way.

[Jamie_B]

1 hour ago, T-Dub said:

 

He already is signed. He freely signed the contract he is playing under. Now he doesn't want to honor it because a few grossly mismanaged teams are handing out exorbitant contracts as they're desperate to hang on to the only talent on their rosters.

 

He'll make another $21M guaranteed next year playing under a year 5 option the team exercised just before the draft.

 

Yeah Mike Brown is totally mugging the poor guy.  🙄 If they're serious about not doing a new deal in training camp I'd consider sending his ass home tbh. They don't need the distraction, tell him to come back when he's ready to work. This team has bigger goals than making him happy.

 

The question becomes is what he is signed for now vs what he will sign for going to save the team any money? Because again, his price isn't going to get cheaper.

[Jamie_B]

21 minutes ago, claptonrocks said:

Price goes up yes.

So does the cap per year.

Maybe they see it that way.

 

You have to think that this isnt going to go up forever, at some point the TV/Streaming contracts are going to end up in a place where you have to have every service to watch all the games. People will revolt against that. It's not a sustainable model imo

[claptonrocks]

1 minute ago, Jamie_B said:

 

You have to think that this isnt going to go up forever, at some point the TV/Streaming contracts are going to end up in a place where you have to have every service to watch all the games. People will revolt against that. It's not a sustainable model imo

Maybe so..

I'll presume it goes up thru Chase's contact and yrs after.

 

[T-Dub]

36 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

 

The question becomes is what he is signed for now vs what he will sign for going to save the team any money? Because again, his price isn't going to get cheaper.

 

 

The overall price is likely to go up, but I suspect with the way the huge guaranteed money is already crippling some of these other franchises it's not going to be the expectation for long. 

 

That aside, someone is going to be the new Highest Paid WR every offseason.  Does that mean all the other WR's should hold out?

[dex]

Burrow spoke about Chase today and how their situations were "pretty similar." Get the feeling that contract talks are ongoing between Chase's agent and the front office, which Burrow would be aware of. I think an extension gets signed by the end of August at the latest.

 

Burrow knows it won't take much to get the Bengals top playmaker up to speed.

 

"A couple practices," Burrow said about Chase's ramp-up time. "Once he's out there, it's one period and he'll be ready to go."

 

The franchise quarterback had his own contract extension to work through last season. He's had conversations about his process with Chase.

 

"I would say I went through it last year," Burrow said. "So I kind of have some insight into how these things kind of go. And so we've been creating a dialogue and talking through certain things, obviously. His business is his business, but I've been able to give some insight into how my process was because I think it's pretty similar."

[AmishBengalFan]

On 7/31/2024 at 5:44 AM, PatternMaster said:

If the Bengals loose Chase because of their bullshit penny pinching negotiating tactics they will lose a lot of fans...including me.

 

21 hours ago, AmishBengalFan said:

 

They better tighten up if they loose him.

 

21 hours ago, High School Harry said:

They'll just fire up the bulllshit grinder and tell us the new journeyman scrub is the best thing since... you name it.

I am growing impatient.

Pay Ja'Marr.

He's worth it and more.

 

[AmishBengalFan]

On 7/31/2024 at 5:44 AM, PatternMaster said:

If the Bengals loose Chase because of their bullshit penny pinching negotiating tactics they will lose a lot of fans...including me.

 

21 hours ago, AmishBengalFan said:

 

They better tighten up if they loose him.

 

21 hours ago, High School Harry said:

They'll just fire up the bulllshit grinder and tell us the new journeyman scrub is the best thing since... you name it.

I am growing impatient.

Pay Ja'Marr.

He's worth it and more.