Posted October 3, 2024Oct 3 comment_1766320 These guys are good, nice in depth breakdowns with good video.
October 3, 2024Oct 3 comment_1766338 All is the "secret sauce" as to why the running game is finally working.
October 3, 2024Oct 3 comment_1766366 Some nice run blocking by Volson on some of those plays. Decent block by Burton on that last play, too. I don't know where All f'ed up in the run game to only get a "59." He looked like he was dummying guys all day to me, but I didn't watch that closely.
October 3, 2024Oct 3 comment_1766381 3 hours ago, Jamie_B said: All is the "secret sauce" as to why the running game is finally working. The most exciting thing about Erick All is that he is much farther along in his development than he has any right to be. First of all, TE is a very difficult position to make an impact as a rookie. Even most of the current top TEs in the league did very little as rookies. It is their 2nd and 3rd years in the league that they tend to make a big jump. But also factor in that All missed much of his senior year, all of the offseason programs this spring and summer. He wasn't even cleared to practice at the beginning of training camp. But 4 games into his rookie year All is already lining up everywhere on the field, moving around in motion, and STILL making contributions to both the run and pass game. He has caught 12 passes on just 12 targets. The team is only scratching the surface of the way All can be used going forward. Before the end of this season, I expect him to get some deeper targets than what he's gotten so far. He has talents that haven't even been put on display yet.
October 3, 2024Oct 3 comment_1766382 2 minutes ago, dex said: The most exciting thing about Erick All is that he is much farther along in his development than he has any right to be. First of all, TE is a very difficult position to make an impact as a rookie. Even most of the current top TEs in the league did very little as rookies. It is their 2nd and 3rd years in the league that they tend to make a big jump. But also factor in that All missed much of his senior year, all of the offseason programs this spring and summer. He wasn't even cleared to practice at the beginning of training camp. But 4 games into his rookie year All is already lining up everywhere on the field, moving around in motion, and STILL making contributions to both the run and pass game. He has caught 12 passes on just 12 targets. The team is only scratching the surface of the way All can be used going forward. Before the end of this season, I expect him to get some deeper targets than what he's gotten so far. He has talents that haven't even been put on display yet. You should never draft a guy based on what school he went to. Except Iowa Tight Ends Tell me the last one that got to the NFL that didn't at minimum contribute?
October 3, 2024Oct 3 comment_1766385 The Erick All portion of a new Paul Dehner article for The Athletic: For years, decades even, the Cincinnati Bengals have searched and swung for an elite, versatile tight end. From first-round picks Jermaine Gresham and Tyler Eifert to solid developmental picks C.J. Uzomah and Tyler Kroft. Then the free-agent carousel of Hayden Hurst, Irv Smith and Mike Gesicki. Each enjoyed their moments, but none quenched the thirst for a true impactful tight end capable of providing the ultimate versatility and doing everything at a high level. Advertisement Coach Zac Taylor and his staff believe they finally made it happen with fourth-round pick Erick All. Not only are they saying as much as he’s ascended from an intriguing fourth-round pick to TE1 in four weeks, they are altering their offense because of it. Over the last three years, only the Rams played in 11 personnel with three wide receivers more than Taylor. Now, with All, the Bengals rank fourth in the NFL in using two tight ends. That’s almost solely due to the impact of All, whose snap count has increased from 24 percent in the opener to leading all tight ends with 60 percent in Carolina. To explain the direct impact, look no further than an innocuous pass in the third quarter to Chase Brown in the flat Sunday. All drove Carolina corner Troy Hill 10 yards down the field as Brown slipped past him for an 11-yard gain. “He executed his technique flawlessly,” offensive coordinator Dan Pitcher said. “He was within the legal zone where you can block a defender prior to the ball being caught. He locked him up and sustained the block— he probably would still be sustaining that block.” Brown was looking for an oncoming defender before he realized that wasn’t necessary. “Oh, I will just run behind Erick until I can’t,” Brown said. “That dude, not just that, go look at all his blocking reps. He’s a beast.” The Bengals have scored eight red zone touchdowns this season and All’s been a major part of the success in half of those. Twice his crack block coming in motion sprung the hole open for a run up the middle. On another, Brown ran off his back while matched up against Carolina linebacker Charles Harris and then in Kansas City he stymied George Karlaftis one-on-one in pass protection for 4.2 seconds while Joe Burrow waited for Andrei Iosivas to break free. “When you have a player like that with a blend of athleticism, real strength when he puts his hands on people, the willingness to use that strength, the willingness to be violent when required, then the ability to run downfield and catch the ball,” Pitcher said, before deciding he needed to amend his statement. “I’ll say this: Maybe it goes beyond willing and it turns into eager — there’s an eagerness to be violent. That’s probably a better descriptor.” Advertisement His first career target came Week 2 in Kansas City and he’s caught all 12 of his targets for 82 yards. He caught a 19-yard explosive play against the Chiefs, created first downs by chipping and shedding before breaking out in the route and even made Harris miss on a pass on the edge to gain a critical first down as the Bengals tried to run out the clock in Carolina. Name an aspect of winning football a tight end can provide through four weeks and he’s done it. “He deserves a lot of credit for putting himself in position this early in his career to play the kind of role he’s playing for us,” Pitcher said. “That’s the kind of offense we want to be. We aspire to be a system and a group of coaches that if you come in and show you know what you’re supposed to do and you can do it, you can play. And if you’re gonna put the work in and you’re gonna be trustworthy, you can play. And so that’s what we’re seeing from him right now.” His presence also sets the Bengals up to be more physical in the AFC North starting this weekend, a trait they notably lacked while going 0-5 against the division in games that mattered last season. The shift to 12 personnel allows them to throw the first punch offensively rather than adhere to the finesse reputation Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Cleveland have exploited in recent years. They can more effectively run the ball with authority or max protect when necessary to hold the line. Both of those methods have been catalysts for explosive plays and scores. “When you have the ability to also expand in the passing game, that helps a lot of things when you’re on the field,” Taylor said. “Erick brings a lot to the table. He’s very humble in his approach. He wants to get better and he takes to coaching. In a lot of ways, he’s bright-eyed like any rookie would be and he doesn’t walk around like, ‘I made it.’ Quite the opposite, to be frank with you. It’s, ‘I’ve got to be better, there’s more to do.'” Advertisement They have plenty more for him over the next 13 games.
October 4, 2024Oct 4 comment_1766396 19 hours ago, GoBengals said: These guys are good, nice in depth breakdowns with good video. Very in depth yes.
October 4, 2024Oct 4 comment_1766401 Thanks for this. The other guy is Captain Obvious but the lead guy was insightful for sure. When he was at Michigan, I thought All was one of their best players, period. His early success doesn’t really surprise me, but I guess his recovery from injury has… seems like it was faster than initially thought, and he doesn’t really show any ill effects. The blocking part of All’s game has really shown itself; at Michigan I was more impressed with his receiving ability… not only his hands but his ability to stretch the field. I’m sure those more significant, seam-stretching opportunities for All as an NFL receiving TE will come… but even to this point, he’s shown that he has reliable hands and he can get YAC, too. He’s obviously continuing to earn the coaches’ confidence, so he’ll get on the field more and more. Premature I know, but I could see him developing into a George Kittle type of player, who can do everything at a high level. Speaking of recent Iowa TEs, I like Sam LaPorta too, but he can’t block like All does. Michigan has had some good TEs as well - e.g. Luke Schoonmaker, AJ Barner, Zach Gentry, etc. So coming into the NFL, All had good college coaching in two stops, and James Casey is well-regarded as an NFL assistant too.
October 4, 2024Oct 4 comment_1766421 Dude's talent was masked by injuries and Bengals are reaping the benefits. This kid is going to be VERY good. Previous poster mentioned Kittle and I think that's spot on.
October 4, 2024Oct 4 comment_1766426 9 hours ago, texbengal said: Thanks for this. The other guy is Captain Obvious but the lead guy was insightful for sure. When he was at Michigan, I thought All was one of their best players, period. His early success doesn’t really surprise me, but I guess his recovery from injury has… seems like it was faster than initially thought, and he doesn’t really show any ill effects. The blocking part of All’s game has really shown itself; at Michigan I was more impressed with his receiving ability… not only his hands but his ability to stretch the field. I’m sure those more significant, seam-stretching opportunities for All as an NFL receiving TE will come… but even to this point, he’s shown that he has reliable hands and he can get YAC, too. He’s obviously continuing to earn the coaches’ confidence, so he’ll get on the field more and more. Premature I know, but I could see him developing into a George Kittle type of player, who can do everything at a high level. Speaking of recent Iowa TEs, I like Sam LaPorta too, but he can’t block like All does. Michigan has had some good TEs as well - e.g. Luke Schoonmaker, AJ Barner, Zach Gentry, etc. So coming into the NFL, All had good college coaching in two stops, and James Casey is well-regarded as an NFL assistant too. Definitely premature to compare him to George Little All can be a very good TE but to even consider him in Kittles class is over reaching big-time . All runs a 4.80 forty and 1.66 10 yrds Kittle 4.52 forty and 1 51 10 yrds Speed has always been a strength of Kittle plus he's the best blocking TE in the league ..
October 4, 2024Oct 4 comment_1766435 18 minutes ago, claptonrocks said: Definitely premature to compare him to George Little All can be a very good TE but to even consider him in Kittles class is over reaching big-time . All runs a 4.80 forty and 1.66 10 yrds Kittle 4.52 forty and 1 51 10 yrds Speed has always been a strength of Kittle plus he's the best blocking TE in the league .. His measurables may not be the same, but his "can do it all" ability is. Anymore TEs coming out seem to be good as a receiving threat or good at blocking a la Gesicki / Sample. Finding one who can do both at a high level seems harder to come by these days.
October 5, 2024Oct 5 comment_1766467 5 hours ago, claptonrocks said: Definitely premature to compare him to George Little All can be a very good TE but to even consider him in Kittles class is over reaching big-time . All runs a 4.80 forty and 1.66 10 yrds Kittle 4.52 forty and 1 51 10 yrds Speed has always been a strength of Kittle plus he's the best blocking TE in the league .. I've seen those All numbers too, but I'm not sure where they come from or how up-to-date accurate they are. . He was obviously not able to work at the scouting combine or the Iowa pro day due to his injury.
October 5, 2024Oct 5 comment_1766469 33 minutes ago, dex said: I've seen those All numbers too, but I'm not sure where they come from or how up-to-date accurate they are. . He was obviously not able to work at the scouting combine or the Iowa pro day due to his injury. Well, he sure looks faster than a 4.8 guy. Dude can run. He’s not 4.5 fast but he’s probably 4.65 or 4.7, I’d guess. I mean, Sample ran an 4.71 at the Combine. So you’re telling me he’s faster than All? Sure doesn’t look like it on the field. And for the record I said it was premature - but I do believe he has the ability to be an all-around TE that rivals any guy in the league. Kittle has been great but especially the last few years, he gets hurt a lot. I hope All has better injury luck than he did in college, but the dude can be hella good.
October 5, 2024Oct 5 Author comment_1766481 On 10/3/2024 at 9:39 AM, Jamie_B said: All is the "secret sauce" as to why the running game is finally working. also playing bad run defenses and slaying MF's in the pass game, big helps there as well. On 10/3/2024 at 11:40 AM, UncleEarl said: Some nice run blocking by Volson on some of those plays. Decent block by Burton on that last play, too. I don't know where All f'ed up in the run game to only get a "59." He looked like he was dummying guys all day to me, but I didn't watch that closely. it is nice when Volson isnt actively shitting his pants on the field, and when that happens, its typically a run play. smart dude, 110% effort always. On 10/3/2024 at 1:10 PM, Jamie_B said: You should never draft a guy based on what school he went to. Except Iowa Tight Ends Tell me the last one that got to the NFL that didn't at minimum contribute? CJ Fiedorwicz, Texans 3rd round pick in 2014. Tony Moaeki Falons 3rd round pick , 2010 Brandon Meyers, 2009, Raiders, 6th round pick Tony Jackson 2005 Seahawks, 6th round pick. Erik Jensen, 2004, 7th round pick Austin Wheatley, 2000, 5th round, saints but Dallas clark before these guys, and a trillion dudes sense.
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