Jason 3,935 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 14 hours ago, claptonrocks said: Nothing to dislike about Chase ither than his height but like so many tough receivers of his mode it only makes them play harder and better.. He’s the same height Chad Johnson was. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
I_C_Deadpeople 464 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 If we actually address the OL in FA, I can see the old tree sloth using his veto to select a WR at #5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spicoli 580 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 40 minutes ago, I_C_Deadpeople said: If we actually address the OL in FA, I can see the old tree sloth using his veto to select a WR at #5 Honestly that's how it should work anyhow. There are 4 game changing pass catchers in this draft and they should absolutely put themselves in a position to grab one of them. You do that buy addressing your needs in FA. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MichaelWeston 1,523 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 I am really confused about the need for a 3rd stud pass catcher? Do teams have 3 pass catchers that are this good? Boyd and Hopkins put us pretty high already. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CalifBengalfan 8 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 2 hours ago, MichaelWeston said: I am really confused about the need for a 3rd stud pass catcher? Do teams have 3 pass catchers that are this good? Boyd and Hopkins put us pretty high already. Neither of those guys are a true #1 elite receiver like an AJ Green. Both would benefit from a healthy #1 receiver on board. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jamie_B 3,273 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 2 hours ago, MichaelWeston said: I am really confused about the need for a 3rd stud pass catcher? Do teams have 3 pass catchers that are this good? Boyd and Hopkins put us pretty high already. Why? When the last time this Offense was that good, we had 3 stud WRs in Chad, TJ, and Henry. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
I_C_Deadpeople 464 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 8 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: Why? When the last time this Offense was that good, we had 3 stud WRs in Chad, TJ, and Henry. True. And it just so happens the top guys in the draft this year are QB's and WR's. If there was a stud DE or DT we would look that way as well. I am still hoping for a trade down if we dont 'need' Sewell - given our light scouting dept more picks would be better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
claptonrocks 330 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 5 hours ago, Jason said: He’s the same height Chad Johnson was. 5 hours ago, Jason said: He’s the same height Chad Johnson was. Theres word that Chase may 6'0 at 208 lbs... Im not knocking him..hes fantastic.. I think of DeAndre Hopkins in him... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
membengal 1,478 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 More fuel to the "at least two QBs going in top 4 fire...": Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spicoli 580 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 3 hours ago, MichaelWeston said: I am really confused about the need for a 3rd stud pass catcher? Do teams have 3 pass catchers that are this good? Boyd and Hopkins put us pretty high already. Boyd and Higgins are good but they're not game changers like AJ Green was. That dynamic is going to need to be replaced in order for Boyd and Higgins to really thrive, IMO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jason 3,935 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, membengal said: More fuel to the "at least two QBs going in top 4 fire...": I don't think 2 QBs has ever been in doubt, except which 2 go first. I still think 3 go in the top 5. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
membengal 1,478 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 3 minutes ago, Jason said: I don't think 2 QBs has ever been in doubt, except which 2 go first. I still think 3 go in the top 5. it's always in doubt until it isn't. Kiper has been out there calling this the weakest QB class in half a decade and that Daniel Jones would be easily #2 QB in this class. To the extent multiple teams have Wilson that high, that is good and I am glad for the confirmation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MichaelWeston 1,523 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 2 hours ago, Jamie_B said: Why? When the last time this Offense was that good, we had 3 stud WRs in Chad, TJ, and Henry. This isnt how NFL offenses are shaped. And that's not the last time the offense was good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MichaelWeston 1,523 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 2 hours ago, CalifBengalfan said: Neither of those guys are a true #1 elite receiver like an AJ Green. Both would benefit from a healthy #1 receiver on board. I think Higgins very well could be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MichaelWeston 1,523 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, Jason said: I don't think 2 QBs has ever been in doubt, except which 2 go first. I still think 3 go in the top 5. I think at least 3. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jamie_B 3,273 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, MichaelWeston said: This isnt how NFL offenses are shaped. And that's not the last time the offense was good. I really don't think there is any "shape" to any specific team that carries throughout the league, each team wins based of different strengths. I'll let you look up the stats, but were any of the Dalton led teams ranked above any of the Palmer led teams in total offense or passing offense? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
claptonrocks 330 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, MichaelWeston said: I think Higgins very well could be. Me too.. Same size speed and hands.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
claptonrocks 330 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, MichaelWeston said: I think at least 3. Alot of teams like Lance...hes going high.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
claptonrocks 330 Posted February 18 Report Share Posted February 18 1 hour ago, MichaelWeston said: This isnt how NFL offenses are shaped. And that's not the last time the offense was good. Of course you want your QB to have 3 options or more.. It seems an option in vogue now is TE... 1. Speedy wideout (thats good!). 2. Slot 3. TE 4..2nd Wideout Thats alot if options without counting the RB... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spicoli 580 Posted February 18 Report Share Posted February 18 2 hours ago, MichaelWeston said: I think Higgins very well could be. He's just not on the same level as Chase/Waddle/Pitts/Smith. I know everyone wants to fix the OL but I don't understand why we can't have both? Fix the OL before the draft and then get Burrow a huge weapon in the passing game....why does it have to be one or the other? Likely any OL you pick at 5 is going to be lower rated than whatever WR is available when you get on the clock, and there's not a pass rusher even in the conversation with those WR's/Pitts...so why would you pick a lesser player? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
membengal 1,478 Posted February 18 Report Share Posted February 18 1 hour ago, spicoli said: He's just not on the same level as Chase/Waddle/Pitts/Smith. I know everyone wants to fix the OL but I don't understand why we can't have both? Fix the OL before the draft and then get Burrow a huge weapon in the passing game....why does it have to be one or the other? Likely any OL you pick at 5 is going to be lower rated than whatever WR is available when you get on the clock, and there's not a pass rusher even in the conversation with those WR's/Pitts...so why would you pick a lesser player? This. We can do both. Easily. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MichaelWeston 1,523 Posted February 18 Report Share Posted February 18 1 hour ago, membengal said: This. We can do both. Easily. We can't add 4 lineman and a stud pass catcher. The difference in impact a first round OL vs a first round pass catcher makes for this team is monumental. It would be like buying a spoiler for your car when you don't have tires. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
claptonrocks 330 Posted February 18 Report Share Posted February 18 14 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said: We can't add 4 lineman and a stud pass catcher. The difference in impact a first round OL vs a first round pass catcher makes for this team is monumental. It would be like buying a spoiler for your car when you don't have tires. Offensive line allways comes first.. Pass rushing Dlinemen are next.. Isnt hard to understand.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
membengal 1,478 Posted February 18 Report Share Posted February 18 29 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said: We can't add 4 lineman and a stud pass catcher. The difference in impact a first round OL vs a first round pass catcher makes for this team is monumental. It would be like buying a spoiler for your car when you don't have tires. Good grief. No one rational thinks they are gonna add four offensive linemen. But they can add two in FA and another in round 2 or 3 and still draft chase or pitts or waddle if Sewell is gone. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spicoli 580 Posted February 18 Report Share Posted February 18 5 minutes ago, membengal said: Good grief. No one rational thinks they are gonna add four offensive linemen. But they can add two in FA and another in round 2 or 3 and still draft chase or pitts or waddle if Sewell is gone. 100% this ^^ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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