New Bengals Offense under Dan Pitcher

[Cricket]

17 minutes ago, dex said:

Explosive is explosive.

 

The 2nd and 3rd levels of Cincinnati's defense certainly isn't lacking in quickness and speed. Sounds like this isn't about missing tackles, but more about the fact that they can't seem to catch up with Brown often enough.

Let’s hope so.  When it’s Bengals vs. Bengals I always have mixed emotions about any good play by either side.  🤨

 

 

[claptonrocks]

3 hours ago, dex said:

Explosive is explosive.

 

The 2nd and 3rd levels of Cincinnati's defense certainly isn't lacking in quickness and speed. Sounds like this isn't about missing tackles, but more about the fact that they can't seem to catch up with Brown often enough.

Chase Brown is stronger and may be a tick faster.

He ran a 4.43 combine.

 

He also had the 2nd fastest run in the league last year at 22.05 mph..

He can fly...

[alleycat]

59 minutes ago, claptonrocks said:

Chase Brown is stronger and may be a tick faster.

He ran a 4.43 combine.

 

He also had the 2nd fastest run in the league last year at 22.05 mph..

He can fly...

The 40, on some level, is ridiculous, because it's been hyper-defined and tweaked so that in completely unrelated conditions, players can be compared on an apples-to-apples basis, I guess. 

 

But what's most important? Real speed, on a football field, with pads on (and even better a ball in your hand, which, if you've ever played football, you know slows you down a little). Gimme the fastest guys by that measure all day every day. 

 

Incidentally, I'm infinitely more excited to hear about Chase Brown's focus and dedication on receiving skills and route running than anything else. More speed is great, but greater 3 down versatility, and what having a true air back will do to this offense is even more important. I'm still a little worried about the OLine, and the entire Defense, but if these new offensive changes fill the holes they were designed to, it's going to be a very tough unit to stop. 

[T-Dub]

7 hours ago, Cricket said:

Let’s hope so.  When it’s Bengals vs. Bengals I always have mixed emotions about any good play by either side.  🤨

 

 

 

They're in shorts playing not to hurt each other, I wouldn't read too much into any of it.

[dex]

Article excerpt from The Athletic - Paul Dehner:

 

Andrei Iosivas hype train rolls

For all the hype of third-round pick Jermaine Burton and his potential to make an impact filling the role vacated by Tyler Boyd, there’s just no way to avoid the Andrei Iosivas hype.

He’s been the offensive star of camp, a trend that continued after his initial eye-popping debut playing in the slot for the first time in his life Wednesday.

Receivers coach Troy Walters called him their third-best receiver last week, and he’s looked like the best one on the field (when Higgins is given days off).

 

The path to Iosivas’ landing the vast majority of snaps early in the season has cleared. Last year’s fourth-round pick Charlie Jones has enjoyed moments — including hauling in an impressive jump ball in the corner of the end zone Monday — but still had humbling moments like a fumble on a jet sweep in 11-on-11. Plus, the size differential is tough to avoid.

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If the 6-3, 205-pound Iosivas can move with as much burst and awareness as Jones at 6-0, 183 pounds, there’s no competition to be discussed. There are still multiple plays where Burrow signals to Burton that he needs to run a different route or took the wrong angle as the rookie tries to figure out the new scheme and build trust with Burrow. Trenton Irwin is also a factor and there’s a case to be made for multiple subpackages and a rotation of receivers highlighting versatility.

Yet, the more Iosivas stacks practices, the more you wonder whether he won’t just soak up nearly all of Boyd’s 824 vacated snaps from last season.

[dex]

Tremendous Charlie Goldsmith offensive scheme breakdown here on some of the tweaks and personnel changes we can expect to see. Kind of long but worth a read.

 

https://live.emailhero.io/gannett/PCIN/1019EQ-E-NLETTER31

 

 

[Jamie_B]

1 hour ago, dex said:

Tremendous Charlie Goldsmith offensive scheme breakdown here on some of the tweaks and personnel changes we can expect to see. Kind of long but worth a read.

 

https://live.emailhero.io/gannett/PCIN/1019EQ-E-NLETTER31

 

 

 

Good read, the multiple TE sets point is why I believe that keeping 5 TEs is a real option.

[Griever]

2 hours ago, dex said:

Tremendous Charlie Goldsmith offensive scheme breakdown here on some of the tweaks and personnel changes we can expect to see. Kind of long but worth a read.

 

https://live.emailhero.io/gannett/PCIN/1019EQ-E-NLETTER31

 

 

Thanks for sharing, I have such high expectations for Pitch. Really think he has the football mind to unlock the most potent offense we've seen with Burrow

[claptonrocks]

3 hours ago, Griever said:

Thanks for sharing, I have such high expectations for Pitch. Really think he has the football mind to unlock the most potent offense we've seen with Burrow

 

3 hours ago, Jamie_B said:

 

Good read, the multiple TE sets point is why I believe that keeping 5 TEs is a real option.

If the last roster spot comes down to McGlothlin or Meta who do they go with?

 

[Jamie_B]

6 minutes ago, claptonrocks said:

 

If the last roster spot comes down to McGlothlin or Meta who do they go with?

 

 

Dont think it will be that choice. 

[dex]

On 8/20/2024 at 11:21 AM, Jamie_B said:

 

Good read, the multiple TE sets point is why I believe that keeping 5 TEs is a real option.

Do you need a 5 TE to do that though?

 

The guy that the beat writers are starting to mention more and more is Erick All. Of course he missed valuable time during his ACL recovery, but the coaches clearly love what they have seen from him since he was cleared for practice. 

 

In a podcast Paul Dehner says they seem to be carving out a role for All already. Mentioned they have been using All in 2 TE sets with Draw Sample. In an effort to get defenses to play more base defense, they stick Sample in-line and then put All in motion. All moves well and is very physical.

 

Smart money is on Erick All to be the starting TE in 2025, but he could also be a factor in the second half of this season..

[Jamie_B]

28 minutes ago, dex said:

Do you need a 5 TE to do that though?

 

The guy that the beat writers are starting to mention more and more is Erick All. Of course he missed valuable time during his ACL recovery, but the coaches clearly love what they have seen from him since he was cleared for practice. 

 

In a podcast Paul Dehner says they seem to be carving out a role for All already. Mentioned they have been using All in 2 TE sets with Draw Sample. In an effort to get defenses to play more base defense, they stick Sample in-line and then put All in motion. All moves well and is very physical.

 

Smart money is on Erick All to be the starting TE in 2025, but he could also be a factor in the second half of this season..

 

Need? I don't think so, running more two TE sets means there is a higher chance of injury to one of them, thus having an extra guy becomes more important. But even so I still think for future planning purposes having 5 because 2 of them are on one year deals, makes sense.

[JC]

it would be a real bummer if this guy isn’t getting a lot of snaps for this team this year.

[Griever]

23 minutes ago, JC said:

it would be a real bummer if this guy isn’t getting a lot of snaps for this team this year.

Oh boy...I thought they referring to college on the broadcast. Not good

[T-Dub]

2 hours ago, Griever said:

Oh boy...I thought they referring to college on the broadcast. Not good

 

😬

 

This is why he was available late in the 3rd round but hey, teaching moment.  This doesn't seem like the fuck-around buddy coach teams of the past. 

[Griever]

I'm still skeptical, almost seemed like more of a joke than anything 

 

 

[KA14_HOF]

My Sherlockian take is that, just having a feel for Al Michaels' sense of humor over the years, that was an allusion to a specific incident. It's just a matter of whether it referred to Burton's college days or his recent experience in Cincinnati. But since it was on the heels of Herbstreit's reference to him "buying into the system" I tend to think it was the latter, since buying into Georgia's or Alabama's system is no longer an issue. And Michaels' said it sort of knowingly, and his field of expertise is the NFL not college, which IMO supports the idea it was a recent thing.

 

It might also explain why we haven't seen more of him so far, especially with all of the extra snaps up for grabs with Ja'Marr's hold-in.[/sherlock]

[A Rock]

11 hours ago, T-Dub said:

 

😬

 

This is why he was available late in the 3rd round but hey, teaching moment.  This doesn't seem like the fuck-around buddy coach teams of the past. 

I agree with every word here, but this guy's talent is still intriguing. Five targets is pretty skimpy, but he caught four of them for 56 yards and another touchdown. If Woodside had led him a little less on the incompletion, it would have been two touchdowns. If this guy's behavior off the field hurts our chances at a ring, then definitely no more fuck-around buddy coaches, please. They were crazy high on this guy when they drafted him though, and he's already showing flashes. If this guy's dominant on the field, it moves the scale on what we need from him off the field (to me anyway). Obviously we can't have anything resembling belligerent defiance, but if he's just a bit of a loopy loner who doesn't cause any major distractions, let's not sit him to make some sort of point. Flashbacks to Chris Evans, only I think this guy is much better.

[claptonrocks]

2 hours ago, A Rock said:

I agree with every word here, but this guy's talent is still intriguing. Five targets is pretty skimpy, but he caught four of them for 56 yards and another touchdown. If Woodside had led him a little less on the incompletion, it would have been two touchdowns. If this guy's behavior off the field hurts our chances at a ring, then definitely no more fuck-around buddy coaches, please. They were crazy high on this guy when they drafted him though, and he's already showing flashes. If this guy's dominant on the field, it moves the scale on what we need from him off the field (to me anyway). Obviously we can't have anything resembling belligerent defiance, but if he's just a bit of a loopy loner who doesn't cause any major distractions, let's not sit him to make some sort of point. Flashbacks to Chris Evans, only I think this guy is much better.

Agree...

This kid has to much talent to sit alot.

He looks like a game breaker.

 

 

[Dautcom08]

14 hours ago, T-Dub said:

 

😬

 

This is why he was available late in the 3rd round but hey, teaching moment.  This doesn't seem like the fuck-around buddy coach teams of the past. 

 

here’s something more substantial than an Al Michaels on air joke.

 

embedded in the post for those that don’t click…

 

 

As far as the sleeping comments made during last nights broadcast. I've called and asked around and haven't found anyone to corroborate those claims. 

 

 

[claptonrocks]

3 minutes ago, Dautcom08 said:

 

here’s something more substantial than an Al Michaels on air joke.

 

 

So the rumor of sleeping was just that.

Nobody confirmed it actually happened 

Fuckin Al can retire anytime.

[T-Dub]

21 minutes ago, Dautcom08 said:

 

As far as the sleeping comments made during last nights broadcast. I've called and asked around and haven't found anyone to corroborate those claims. 

 

Nor would they, but that hardly means it didn't happen. If it did, I think it will be corrected. Best case he'd still be at the bottom of the depth chart for now with all the vets ahead of him. WR room is crowded.

[Dautcom08]

20 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

 

Nor would they, but that hardly means it didn't happen. If it did, I think it will be corrected. Best case he'd still be at the bottom of the depth chart for now with all the vets ahead of him. WR room is crowded.

Why wouldn’t they?

 

in the end you’re right his path forward, which I think I saw someone else post somewhere else here, will be similar to Yosh last year with an uptick in usage next year following Higgins departure and opportunities open up for the young guns.

[T-Dub]

7 minutes ago, Dautcom08 said:

Why wouldn’t they?

 

in the end you’re right his path forward, which I think I saw someone else post somewhere else here, will be similar to Yosh last year with an uptick in usage next year following Higgins departure and opportunities open up for the young guns.

 

Ja'Marr's little pity party has helped put him ahead of schedule, if anything.

[dex]