I was wrong about Iosivas... excited to see him play.

[-GoBengals-]

I put in a few threads how i didnt expect a ton from Iosivas, last year he seemed slow, big bodies, strong, but not a Boyd level talent, i been rewatching him on the field in preseason and i was a bit off for sure. He is a lot faster than he played last year, he could, COULD be special, with Joe at QB and Tee and Chase alongside this is the best opportunity of his life. So i am excited to see what he can do.

 

 

[Jamie_B]

Probably just adjusting to the speed of the game and having to think about what he is doing instead of just doing it

[|High School Harry|]

I was wrong about Burton.  Was expecting to see him play.

[Sea Ray]

Depending on Tee's hamstring injury, we may very well see both Iosivas and Burton on Sunday

[Randle P McMurphy]

9 minutes ago, High School Harry said:

I was wrong about Burton.  Was expecting to see him play.

 

Burton just needs to get his head on straight and keep it there.  There's a reason he was there in the 3rd round and it's

not a lack of talent.  

[claptonrocks]

5 hours ago, Jamie_B said:

Probably just adjusting to the speed of the game and having to think about what he is doing instead of just doing it

Yep..

Now he's doing it.

Seems to have a star status awaiting him.

[dex]

Iosivas will be one of the biggest and most physical slot WRs in the NFL this year. He could be a real matchup problem against smaller slot CBs. Iosivas could also be an effective blocker in the slot on running plays. However, there is a lot more nuances involved in playing in the slot as opposed to on the outside. He has a tremendous work ethic, and he has come a long way in a short time. Interested in finding out what his ceiling is as a WR. 

 

The beat writers said he also ran a lot of Chase routes in training camp. Makes me wonder if Chase and Iosivas might switch places in formations in ways that you really couldn't do with Boyd's more limited skill set.

[KA14_HOF]

2 hours ago, dex said:

Iosivas will be one of the biggest and most physical slot WRs in the NFL this year. He could be a real matchup problem against smaller slot CBs. Iosivas could also be an effective blocker in the slot on running plays. However, there is a lot more nuances involved in playing in the slot as opposed to on the outside. He has a tremendous work ethic, and he has come a long way in a short time. Interested in finding out what his ceiling is as a WR. 

 

The beat writers said he also ran a lot of Chase routes in training camp. Makes me wonder if Chase and Iosivas might switch places in formations in ways that you really couldn't do with Boyd's more limited skill set.

 

Fringe benefit of Chase's hold-in. Lots of extra reps for Yoshi.

[T-Dub]

3 hours ago, dex said:

Iosivas will be one of the biggest and most physical slot WRs in the NFL this year. He could be a real matchup problem against smaller slot CBs. Iosivas could also be an effective blocker in the slot on running plays. However, there is a lot more nuances involved in playing in the slot as opposed to on the outside. He has a tremendous work ethic, and he has come a long way in a short time. Interested in finding out what his ceiling is as a WR. 

 

The beat writers said he also ran a lot of Chase routes in training camp. Makes me wonder if Chase and Iosivas might switch places in formations in ways that you really couldn't do with Boyd's more limited skill set.

 

Hope we see more shifts & motion in general, they've been kind of static for a pro offense 

[Griever]

4 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

 

Hope we see more shifts & motion in general, they've been kind of static for a pro offense 

I think another thing that will help is something Burrow mentioned about Pitcher's offense. It being more "multiple". Personally, I take that to mean you got a couple dudes who can play the slot well, a couple guys who can line up outside well, pretty much versatility in offensive alignment in general. Whatever keeps opposing defenses guessing...

[T-Dub]

3 minutes ago, Griever said:

I think another thing that will help is something Burrow mentioned about Pitcher's offense. It being more "multiple". Personally, I take that to mean you got a couple dudes who can play the slot well, a couple guys who can line up outside well, pretty much versatility in offensive alignment in general. Whatever keeps opposing defenses guessing...

 

Also maybe 2 TEs that can run routes and catch

[Griever]

2 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

 

Also maybe 2 TEs that can run routes and catch

💯 

[dex]

1 hour ago, T-Dub said:

 

Also maybe 2 TEs that can run routes and catch

Very interested to see what Erick All looks like after the bye. Hasn't been cleared to practice very long, but already drawing early raves. There is a chance that All could develop into a high quality all-around TE. Just needs some time.

[Griever]

 

[T-Dub]

41 minutes ago, dex said:

There is a chance that All could develop into a high quality all-around TE.

 

When was the last time the Bengals had one of those?

[Randle P McMurphy]

12 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

 

When was the last time the Bengals had one of those?

 

Probably Reggie Kelly.  

[Randle P McMurphy]

Maybe Jermaine Gresham as well.

[T-Dub]

9 minutes ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

 

Probably Reggie Kelly.  

 

I remember him being used more like Sample but even slower, maybe a little better hands and/or routes?  With 5 career TD's he wasn't exactly feasting. 

 

Give Burrow someone that can block, put up YAC, and get open in the red zone.  That'd truly be pick-your-poison for a defense.

[dex]

2 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

 

I remember him being used more like Sample but with maybe a little better hands.  With 5 career TD's he wasn't exactly feasting. 

 

Give Burrow someone that can block, put up YAC, and get open in the red zone.  That'd truly be pick-your-poison for a defense.

Erick ALL may have the perfect last name for a versatile TE.

[T-Dub]

14 minutes ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

Maybe Jermaine Gresham as well.

 

Yeah he probably had the overall skillset but damn did he ever check out of games mentally at the worst possible time! Was that the WC vs Houston that he practically lost on his own?  Drops, penalties, fleebing a ball right in his hands for an INT.. If he was any worse in the game I'm remembering you'd think he'd been paid off.  Dude could definitely play but just wasn't locked in enough.

[Randle P McMurphy]

17 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

 

Yeah he probably had the overall skillset but damn did he ever check out of games mentally at the worst possible time! Was that the WC vs Houston that he practically lost on his own?  Drops, penalties, fleebing a ball right in his hands for an INT.. If he was any worse in the game I'm remembering you'd think he'd been paid off.  Dude could definitely play but just wasn't locked in enough.

 

I remember he had some issues but can't recall if it was the WC game or not.  

[-GoBengals-]

9 hours ago, High School Harry said:

I was wrong about Burton.  Was expecting to see him play.

 

soon as he was bottom of that depth chart first preseason game i was concerned

 

9 hours ago, Sea Ray said:

Depending on Tee's hamstring injury, we may very well see both Iosivas and Burton on Sunday

a WHOLE lot.

8 hours ago, claptonrocks said:

Yep..

Now he's doing it.

Seems to have a star status awaiting him.

we shall see, i fear he just gets his shit together enough to get in the game, then enough to be a starter and we regularly have issues with him, but i have no basis for this. just personality traits im assuming on.

8 hours ago, dex said:

Iosivas will be one of the biggest and most physical slot WRs in the NFL this year. He could be a real matchup problem against smaller slot CBs. Iosivas could also be an effective blocker in the slot on running plays. However, there is a lot more nuances involved in playing in the slot as opposed to on the outside. He has a tremendous work ethic, and he has come a long way in a short time. Interested in finding out what his ceiling is as a WR. 

 

The beat writers said he also ran a lot of Chase routes in training camp. Makes me wonder if Chase and Iosivas might switch places in formations in ways that you really couldn't do with Boyd's more limited skill set.

 

do CD/Safeties and such rotate and interchange as much s recievers do, i knew we threw Flowers in for specific TE or slot guys when hilton wasnt the matchup, wonder how much actual advnatage you can get, i mean Geisecki is a menace in that regard. but a formartion of 4 wide with CHase - Geisecki - LINE - Iosivas - Higgins would seemingly be pretty bad fucking news for the defense, especially at the goal line.

 

5 hours ago, KA14_HOF said:

 

Fringe benefit of Chase's hold-in. Lots of extra reps for Yoshi.

 

the only benefit..

 

4 hours ago, T-Dub said:

 

Hope we see more shifts & motion in general, they've been kind of static for a pro offense 

 

didnt they say that was gonna happen? Taylor i thought mentioned thoat or joe did?

 

3 hours ago, Griever said:

I think another thing that will help is something Burrow mentioned about Pitcher's offense. It being more "multiple". Personally, I take that to mean you got a couple dudes who can play the slot well, a couple guys who can line up outside well, pretty much versatility in offensive alignment in general. Whatever keeps opposing defenses guessing...

 

maybe this is what was said..

 

2 hours ago, dex said:

Very interested to see what Erick All looks like after the bye. Hasn't been cleared to practice very long, but already drawing early raves. There is a chance that All could develop into a high quality all-around TE. Just needs some time.

 

yea i have no idea what to expect from him. skies the limit when no matter what the line up your earning yourself the WORST defender covering you.

 

1 hour ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

Maybe Jermaine Gresham as well.

 

 

yea Eifert was big too. had a few..just never lasted too long. Gronkoskis longevity was bananas

[T-Dub]

29 minutes ago, GoBengals said:

 

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didnt they say that was gonna happen? Taylor i thought mentioned that or joe did?

 

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maybe this is what was said..

 

There was some good stuff in this thread, talks about Moss & the TE's which should mean more formation shifts to keep them bouncing around.  Really messes with a defense showing blitz as they've only got that second to realign before someone else goes in motion. Often see the back 7 literally bumping into each other trying to react.

 

  Burrow will get better pre-snap reads & maybe won't have to audible so much to get the match-ups he wants, if they get good at it.  Can easily lead to more penalties instead if they're not.  Expect that'll be a big factor in who gets to play among all the backup skill guys on offense.

 

 

 

[-GoBengals-]

On 9/6/2024 at 7:16 PM, T-Dub said:

 

There was some good stuff in this thread, talks about Moss & the TE's which should mean more formation shifts to keep them bouncing around.  Really messes with a defense showing blitz as they've only got that second to realign before someone else goes in motion. Often see the back 7 literally bumping into each other trying to react.

 

  Burrow will get better pre-snap reads & maybe won't have to audible so much to get the match-ups he wants, if they get good at it.  Can easily lead to more penalties instead if they're not.  Expect that'll be a big factor in who gets to play among all the backup skill guys on offense.

 

 

 

 

 

Callahan did the same thing. 

 

i dont see where anything has changed process wise from Callahan to Pitcher at all. nor any reason for a change. 

 

**EDIT** Everyone thinks something different is happening becuase of that one quote where Taylor said he was handing the keys over to pitcher more, he later, when asked, cleared it up, stating he had taken over much of the OC offseason duties while Pitcher got settled in, so he was handing the keys over, as in handing the same "kays" aka duties that Callahan had as OC, just finally transferring those duties to Dan once he was settled in in general. I havent seen anything even hinting that Pitcher is doing a spec of work differently than Callahan's responsabilities.

 

as for iosivas, as far as what i saw on the field today, perhaps I was somewhat correct, he is at best a #3. 

 

i will rewatch tomorrow or Tuesday and have more insight i guess. but he wasnt getting much space aside from the broken play. Neither was Chase, but chase has had his thumb in his ass for a month in camp, so i get that one.

 

 

[T-Dub]

50 minutes ago, GoBengals said:

 

 

Callahan did the same thing. 

 

i dont see where anything has changed process wise from Callahan to Pitcher at all. nor any reason for a change. 

 

**EDIT** Everyone thinks something different is happening becuase of that one quote where Taylor said he was handing the keys over to pitcher more, he later, when asked, cleared it up, stating he had taken over much of the OC offseason duties while Pitcher got settled in, so he was handing the keys over, as in handing the same "kays" aka duties that Callahan had as OC, just finally transferring those duties to Dan once he was settled in in general. I havent seen anything even hinting that Pitcher is doing a spec of work differently than Callahan's responsabilities.

 

as for iosivas, as far as what i saw on the field today, perhaps I was somewhat correct, he is at best a #3. 

 

i will rewatch tomorrow or Tuesday and have more insight i guess. but he wasnt getting much space aside from the broken play. Neither was Chase, but chase has had his thumb in his ass for a month in camp, so i get that one.

 

 

 

The "keys" Taylor handed over: