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i still think i was originally correct, he is a #3 peak. good game today, he is playing the Boyd role honestly., not like boyd never had 2 TD's. but he is rarely getting open as the #2 weapon. and after Geisecki was going off was he even the #2 focus o was mike? 

 

love the kid, looking forward to him playing well here for a long time, but if its Chase then Iosivas, we may as well not pay chase casue he is getting bracket coverage all day.

 

and its not even #2 bc and help with #1 cb on iosivas like some play, he cant beat the #2 with any consistency.

 

will have a fun long career with his football IQ and athelticism.

 

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7 minutes ago, claptonrocks said:

Kinda early to tell if he's not more than that.

He and Burton still working on tree and cutting better but the talent is all there 

 

this just feels like vague fan speak. what did he do so far in 19 games that makes you think that? cause today, he had one athletic great snag and one IQ killer play, and was absent for 59:45 other than those two. and its not like he wasnt the starting #2 with snaps all day and chase being doubled and mike going off. 

 

are you thinking he is too far down the progressions to get opportunities? 

 

1 minute ago, MichaelWeston said:

Sky is limit for Yoshi because he is an elite athlete and raw as a WR. 

 

not much here i agree with. the sky? if the sky is a low end #2 somewhere then i guess. "the sky" would be like a pro bowl guy or a #1 somewhere.. that seems pretty wild, to me at least.

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2 minutes ago, GoBengals said:

 

this just feels like vague fan speak. what did he do so far in 19 games that makes you think that? cause today, he had one athletic great snag and one IQ killer play, and was absent for 59:45 other than those two. and its not like he wasnt the starting #2 with snaps all day and chase being doubled and mike going off. 

 

are you thinking he is too far down the progressions to get opportunities? 

 

 

not much here i agree with. the sky? if the sky is a low end #2 somewhere then i guess. "the sky" would be like a pro bowl guy or a #1 somewhere.. that seems pretty wild, to me at least.

I just see him as a good receiver with experience.

Maybe I'll be wrong about him.

 

I do like your comment about ,,400 yrds and 10 TDs.

That would be awesome.

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1 minute ago, claptonrocks said:

I just see him as a good receiver with experience.

Maybe I'll be wrong about him.

 

I do like your comment about ,,400 yrds and 10 TDs.

That would be awesome.

 

Its so hard to gauge, like the rams WR Nakua(sp) as a rookie went bananas, and i FEEL like thats how everyone seems to picture Iosivas as being, but Puka was that day one, year one, Iosivas is getting the opportunity of his life right now, now if he just isnt ready when this window is open thats fine, its a LOT to ask. but i was hoping to se a bit more. 

 

2 catches for 7 yards is weak. but they were both TD's so thats awesome. but he was erased the rest of the game. 

 

you can keep flipping the coin on this discussion until the end of time, id be stoked to be wrong, but Boyd was a #2 in his prime, Iosivas is a #3 peak right now. 

 

Iosivas and Higgins are a year apart age wise. Higgins has a better rookie year on a bad team with not much else weapons wise than Iosivas is likely to have.. he just doesnt have the talent i THINK. hope i am wrong. will be rooting for him. he is EASILY one of the funnest guys on the roster to root for. you can tell his teammates like him as well.

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6 minutes ago, GoBengals said:

 

this just feels like vague fan speak. what did he do so far in 19 games that makes you think that? cause today, he had one athletic great snag and one IQ killer play, and was absent for 59:45 other than those two. and its not like he wasnt the starting #2 with snaps all day and chase being doubled and mike going off. 

 

are you thinking he is too far down the progressions to get opportunities? 

 

 

not much here i agree with. the sky? if the sky is a low end #2 somewhere then i guess. "the sky" would be like a pro bowl guy or a #1 somewhere.. that seems pretty wild, to me at least.

I don't think that's out of the question at all. He was a D2 WR with elite athleticism. He had 4 TDs in his first season and 2 in his first 2 games of his 2nd. WRs often don't break out until their third year. He's quickly going to go to the 3rd or 4th focus of a defense. He's a 6th Round WR who won a starting WR spot in his second year. 

 

Where is he limited? Of course he might not make it but there isn't anything to suggest he won't so far. It's just the opposite. He should slide right into the 2nd option next year. 

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16 hours ago, MichaelWeston said:

I don't think that's out of the question at all. He was a D2 WR with elite athleticism. He had 4 TDs in his first season and 2 in his first 2 games of his 2nd. WRs often don't break out until their third year. He's quickly going to go to the 3rd or 4th focus of a defense. He's a 6th Round WR who won a starting WR spot in his second year. 

 

Where is he limited? Of course he might not make it but there isn't anything to suggest he won't so far. It's just the opposite. He should slide right into the 2nd option next year. 

 

well, i contradict that there isnt anything to suggest he wont break out, with 100% of the evidence being that he wont break out. i also contend, within reason, the idea that it takes wr's 3 years to break out. in fact, WR might be the easiest position to step in and perform if you have the talent. an elite example but jefferson had 1400 yards his rookie year if i recall, tyler boyd with just aj green and brandon lafell on the field, had 600 yards-ish and 50-60 catches, tee higgins had 900 yards.  higher picks? yes? but i think thats my point (i THINK) that iosivas's peak, is being a #3, thats hit "break out" i think we are witnessing his break out. if that makes sense.. he shouldnt be on a roster at all, if he was he should be a teams palyer and the 7th WR, but he is going to end up a solid useful #3 in the nfl for a decade... thats his huge break out.. 

 

 

 

16 hours ago, MichaelWeston said:

He's not just a good athlete....he is one of the best athletes to ever play WR. He was also balancing track and field with football for his collegiate career. 

 

 

and yet.. .there he was... at the end of the draft... a flyer of a pick... with all that green. 32/32 teams decided he wasnt higher risk worth than a 6th round pick.

and he is gonna be productive for a really talented offense.. thats a HUGE breakout.. IMO

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The guy had two TD receptions and seemed to be the only guy on the team that could get open in the end zone.  He dropped a ball he should have had in the fourth quarter and now he's no good?  The Gesicki drop was way worse, IMO.  The WRs were running outside the hash marks all day.  They were both covered and the TEs ran crazy.  How is that the fault of the WRs? 

 

I think everyone needs to settle down and let the kid show what he has over more than two games.  Look forward to seeing what he can do over the middle once Higgins comes back.  Has to be better than mini-mite Charlie Jones.  There's a guy who looks pretty useless. 

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21 hours ago, UncleEarl said:

The guy had two TD receptions and seemed to be the only guy on the team that could get open in the end zone.  He dropped a ball he should have had in the fourth quarter and now he's no good?  The Gesicki drop was way worse, IMO.  The WRs were running outside the hash marks all day.  They were both covered and the TEs ran crazy.  How is that the fault of the WRs? 

 

I think everyone needs to settle down and let the kid show what he has over more than two games.  Look forward to seeing what he can do over the middle once Higgins comes back.  Has to be better than mini-mite Charlie Jones.  There's a guy who looks pretty useless. 

 

 

who said he was no good?

 

charlie jones isnt playing at all on offense let alone over iosivas, what are we talking about here?

 

Iosivas had 7 yards on 2 catches. both being touchdowns is awesome, and be made GREAT plays on both. but being an endzone specialist doesnt even get you a #3 WR spot. makes you a red zone package guy.

 

so your description of him is a lower value than mine.

 

there is nothing wrong with being a long career #3 receiver who is good in the red zone.

 

but catching 2 passes for 7 yards with the #2 out of the game seems to support the idea that he is maybe a #3 at best WR in the nfl.

 

no one is talking shit about him. he just isnt even close to being a #2 or #1 anywhere in the nfl.

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3 hours ago, GoBengals said:

but catching 2 passes for 7 yards with the #2 out of the game seems to support the idea that he is maybe a #3 at best WR in the nfl.

 

no one is talking shit about him. he just isnt even close to being a #2 or #1 anywhere in the nfl.

 

At this point in his career. But there isn't any reason to believe he won't get better. 

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14 hours ago, MichaelWeston said:

 

At this point in his career. But there isn't any reason to believe he won't get better. 

 

yes there is. he turns 25 in a few weeks. he started his career in the prime of his career. tee higgins is like 6 months older than him. jamarr chase is younger than him. justin jefferson is like 4 months older than him, when his rookie deal is up he will be 27. his prime is right now.

 

im not saying he cannot do it, im just saying its VERY unlikely he grows into more than a #3 guy. and there is nothing wrong with that, he can make 50mil in his career doing that. 

 

3 hours ago, MichaelWeston said:

Maybe

 

is there a lot of examples of guys sprouting out and making huge talent gains after the age of 25 who got opportunities to be in those bigger roles in their second year?

 

his life gets a lot easier when Tee gets back. he should do better all around. which solidifies my point, i suppose.

 

25 minutes ago, Griever said:

 

 

it was a PHENOMENAL catch and toe tap. and his IQ to break off the route for the other TD was top of the line as well. 

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