MichaelWeston Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1X5zdTRZPDkDPyoBeBmCfryu321hyal7qybbZpLYIOqE/edit?usp=sharing Last years convo Green=Guys I like Gold=Guys that I'd target over everybody Green/Teal=Notes that stand out for guys Red=Bad stats/notes Purple=Was coached by our coach Draft Order Cap S Age Overall Run D Pass Rush Coverage Snaps Starts 24/Career stats Position Passer rating vs Notes Anderson-Bengals 26 70.9 60.7 1 Anthony-Bengals 25 64.4 64.1 12 6 Slot Stone-Bengals 26 53.1 45.5 63.4 53.7 1100 17/36 81-4h-1fr-6pd-4int 828 FS-195B Battle-Bengals 24 53.1 59 4.5 53 464 6/13 58-1fl-1h-1fr-3pd-1int 218B-181FS Jules-Bengals Key-Bengals Bell-Bengals 30 62.1 59.4 58.6 62.1 705 11/117 55-1fl-1h-1fr-1ff-2pd-1int 335B-220FS Draft Order Cap S Age Overall Run D Pass Rush Coverage Snaps Starts 24/Career stats Position Passer rating vs Notes Free Safety Johnson-Rams 30 91.9 68.8 90.4 63 1/89 8-1pd 33FS-20B-10Slot 42.7 Anderson-Packers 28 80.8 73 59.2 75.6 122 2/2 16-2pd-1int 76FS 10.4 Jefferson-Chargers 33 89 74.2 99.9 69.7 261 4/71 23-1fl 176FS 125.3 Molden-Chargers 26 75.6 71.5 55.2 75.4 761 12/28 75-2fl-2fr-7pd-3int 599FS-109B 62.6 Broken Fibula Chargers 3years 1 Diggs-Titans 32 73.2 70 55.4 70.6 419 8/120 42 312 FS 137.2 Lisfranc week 9 1yr 3M Maye-Chargers 31 72.9 73.1 57.4 69.2 405 1/81 12-2pd-1int 239FS-102B 58.3 9 Neal-Bucs 29 72.1 73.6 55.3 65.4 17 0/32 3 8FS-7B NA 7 Davis-Jets 29 71.1 73.4 50.4 67.8 260 1/22 35-5fl-2pd-2int 106FS-92B 66.2 9 Edwards-Bucs 29 70.1 87.3 49.7 63.3 251 2/30 11-1h-1pd 154FS-58B 76.4 Blackmon-Colts 27 69.3 55.1 69.4 73.5 1084 16/62 86-1fl-1h-.5s-1fr-4pd-3int 851FS-170B 103.2 8 Stewart-Texans 30 68.1 81.3 56.6 60.7 99 0/10 12-2fl-1fr 50FS-25B-19Slot 46.9 Forrest-Commanders 26 66.2 71.3 51 62.8 74 1/17 13 40FS-28B 113.2 UC Thornhill-Browns 30 65.5 61.7 66.9 64.5 401 11/74 49-1fl-1h-3pd 305FS 141.7 CC 7 Mills-Jets 31 63.4 68.4 52.3 61.6 457 8/91 44-1fl-1ff-6pd 189FS-181B 51.7 Gipson-49ers 35 63.1 75.8 60.3 57 0/165 6-1pd 33FS-11B 72.9 4 Holland-Dolphins 25 63 73.4 62.5 57.1 854 15/57 62-2fl-2h-1s-1ff-4pd 434FS-235B-142S 89 9 1 Harris-Saints 29 62.5 63.1 61.3 61.6 860 13/53 74-3fl-5pd-1int 352FS-257B-112DL 79.4 4 Poyer-Dolphins 34 62.5 69.4 58.8 61.4 964 16/133 98-1h-3pd 555FS-290B 111.2 Bynum-Vikings 27 61.6 67.8 50.7 58.6 1056 17/54 96-2fl-2fr-10pd-3int 742FS-139Slot-128B 77.6 Kazee-Stealers 32 60.8 73.6 56.4 313 1/63 31-2pd-1int 276FS 112.8 9 1 Mathieu-Saints 33 60.5 65 51.2 57.8 1015 17/171 62-1fl-1fr-2ff-7pd-3int 681FS-263B 76.4 4 Hawkins-Patriots 28 60.1 69.3 47.9 56.3 613 7/32 48-3fl-1fr-1pd 314FS-188B-57Slot 132.5 6 Simmons-Falcons 31 59.9 53.8 56.7 60.8 1017 16/124 62-2fl-7pd 689FS-227B-88Slot 81.9 5 Cisco-Jaguars 25 58.8 63.7 49.9 56.7 979 14/47 68-1fl-7pd-1int 684FS-206B 110.9 8 Franklin-Panthers 29 58 38.4 NA 65.4 289 4/9 30-3pd-1int 173FS 102.3 2023 Stats Hufanga-49ers 26 57.8 74.5 60 52.4 308 7/37 38-2fl 200FS-85B 118.6 8 Woods-Panthers 30 57 59.7 53.5 55.4 1216 17/111 119-2fl-6pd-3int 658FS-379B-147Slot 102.2 3 Pinnock-Giants 26 54.5 59.5 92.3 45.5 976 16/39 85-4fl-3h-3s-1pd 653FS-204B-93Slot 135.9 Melifonwu-Lions 26 54.5 51.1 60.5 58.4 178 3/14 10-1fl-1h-1s 63FS-63B-43Slot 90.2 1 Worley-Titans 30 54.3 49.4 53.2 59.1 460 7/64 52-2pd-1int 281 FS-113B 125.6 8 Fuller-Panthers 27 53.8 68.5 51.3 47 238 9/55 54-1ff-1pd 369FS-139B 151 5 Hamlin-Bills 27 52.7 72.2 60.9 41.5 1042 14/27 89-2fl-1fr-5pd-2int 585FS-318B-107Slot 103 7 Clark-Jets 30 50.8 70.5 60 45.1 709 12/75 101-1fr-1ff-4pd 347FS-272B 118 6 Grant-Falcons 27 37.7 49.2 56.9 42.5 165 1/33 14-2fl-2pd 83FS-44S-33B 97.2 6 Epps-Raiders 29 46.9 63.5 70.9 44 176 3/45 19-2fl 115FS 99.8 3 Wallace-Seahawks 28 38.1 48.1 60 41.8 127 0/19 15-1pd 74FS-31B 118.7 Draft Order Cap S Age Overall Run D Pass Rush Coverage Snaps Starts 24/Career stats Position Passer rating vs Notes Strong Safety Reid-Chiefs 28 77.7 80.6 58 77 1112 16/102 87-5fl-9pd-2int 523B-328FS-177Slot 108.4 6 Moehring-Raiders 26 67.5 87.5 70.1 54.4 1099 17/64 104-5fl-3h-1s-2fr-10pd-2int 439B-361FS-191Slot 92.5 Chinn-Commanders 27 65.2 64.7 61 64.5 1207 17/67 117-7fl-3h-2s-2fr-1ff-5pd-1int 470B-369FS-222S 131.2 8 Murray-Texans 31 63.8 67.2 50.5 64.9 961 14/58 75-1fl-1h-1s-10pd-1int 352B-337FS-221Slot 103.7 2 2 McCleod-Browns 35 50.9 61.4 49.7 47.2 565 5/148 39-2fl-5pd-1fr 229B-176FS-133Slot 100.5 1 Quote
claptonrocks Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 43 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1X5zdTRZPDkDPyoBeBmCfryu321hyal7qybbZpLYIOqE/edit?usp=sharing Last years convo Green=Guys I like Gold=Guys that I'd target over everybody Green/Teal=Notes that stand out for guys Red=Bad stats/notes Purple=Was coached by our coach Draft Order Cap S Age Overall Run D Pass Rush Coverage Snaps Starts 24/Career stats Position Passer rating vs Notes Anderson-Bengals 26 70.9 60.7 1 Anthony-Bengals 25 64.4 64.1 12 6 Slot Stone-Bengals 26 53.1 45.5 63.4 53.7 1100 17/36 81-4h-1fr-6pd-4int 828 FS-195B Battle-Bengals 24 53.1 59 4.5 53 464 6/13 58-1fl-1h-1fr-3pd-1int 218B-181FS Jules-Bengals Key-Bengals Bell-Bengals 30 62.1 59.4 58.6 62.1 705 11/117 55-1fl-1h-1fr-1ff-2pd-1int 335B-220FS Draft Order Cap S Age Overall Run D Pass Rush Coverage Snaps Starts 24/Career stats Position Passer rating vs Notes Free Safety Johnson-Rams 30 91.9 68.8 90.4 63 1/89 8-1pd 33FS-20B-10Slot 42.7 Anderson-Packers 28 80.8 73 59.2 75.6 122 2/2 16-2pd-1int 76FS 10.4 Jefferson-Chargers 33 89 74.2 99.9 69.7 261 4/71 23-1fl 176FS 125.3 Molden-Chargers 26 75.6 71.5 55.2 75.4 761 12/28 75-2fl-2fr-7pd-3int 599FS-109B 62.6 Broken Fibula Chargers 3years 1 Diggs-Titans 32 73.2 70 55.4 70.6 419 8/120 42 312 FS 137.2 Lisfranc week 9 1yr 3M Maye-Chargers 31 72.9 73.1 57.4 69.2 405 1/81 12-2pd-1int 239FS-102B 58.3 9 Neal-Bucs 29 72.1 73.6 55.3 65.4 17 0/32 3 8FS-7B NA 7 Davis-Jets 29 71.1 73.4 50.4 67.8 260 1/22 35-5fl-2pd-2int 106FS-92B 66.2 9 Edwards-Bucs 29 70.1 87.3 49.7 63.3 251 2/30 11-1h-1pd 154FS-58B 76.4 Blackmon-Colts 27 69.3 55.1 69.4 73.5 1084 16/62 86-1fl-1h-.5s-1fr-4pd-3int 851FS-170B 103.2 8 Stewart-Texans 30 68.1 81.3 56.6 60.7 99 0/10 12-2fl-1fr 50FS-25B-19Slot 46.9 Forrest-Commanders 26 66.2 71.3 51 62.8 74 1/17 13 40FS-28B 113.2 UC Thornhill-Browns 30 65.5 61.7 66.9 64.5 401 11/74 49-1fl-1h-3pd 305FS 141.7 CC 7 Mills-Jets 31 63.4 68.4 52.3 61.6 457 8/91 44-1fl-1ff-6pd 189FS-181B 51.7 Gipson-49ers 35 63.1 75.8 60.3 57 0/165 6-1pd 33FS-11B 72.9 4 Holland-Dolphins 25 63 73.4 62.5 57.1 854 15/57 62-2fl-2h-1s-1ff-4pd 434FS-235B-142S 89 9 1 Harris-Saints 29 62.5 63.1 61.3 61.6 860 13/53 74-3fl-5pd-1int 352FS-257B-112DL 79.4 4 Poyer-Dolphins 34 62.5 69.4 58.8 61.4 964 16/133 98-1h-3pd 555FS-290B 111.2 Bynum-Vikings 27 61.6 67.8 50.7 58.6 1056 17/54 96-2fl-2fr-10pd-3int 742FS-139Slot-128B 77.6 Kazee-Stealers 32 60.8 73.6 56.4 313 1/63 31-2pd-1int 276FS 112.8 9 1 Mathieu-Saints 33 60.5 65 51.2 57.8 1015 17/171 62-1fl-1fr-2ff-7pd-3int 681FS-263B 76.4 4 Hawkins-Patriots 28 60.1 69.3 47.9 56.3 613 7/32 48-3fl-1fr-1pd 314FS-188B-57Slot 132.5 6 Simmons-Falcons 31 59.9 53.8 56.7 60.8 1017 16/124 62-2fl-7pd 689FS-227B-88Slot 81.9 5 Cisco-Jaguars 25 58.8 63.7 49.9 56.7 979 14/47 68-1fl-7pd-1int 684FS-206B 110.9 8 Franklin-Panthers 29 58 38.4 NA 65.4 289 4/9 30-3pd-1int 173FS 102.3 2023 Stats Hufanga-49ers 26 57.8 74.5 60 52.4 308 7/37 38-2fl 200FS-85B 118.6 8 Woods-Panthers 30 57 59.7 53.5 55.4 1216 17/111 119-2fl-6pd-3int 658FS-379B-147Slot 102.2 3 Pinnock-Giants 26 54.5 59.5 92.3 45.5 976 16/39 85-4fl-3h-3s-1pd 653FS-204B-93Slot 135.9 Melifonwu-Lions 26 54.5 51.1 60.5 58.4 178 3/14 10-1fl-1h-1s 63FS-63B-43Slot 90.2 1 Worley-Titans 30 54.3 49.4 53.2 59.1 460 7/64 52-2pd-1int 281 FS-113B 125.6 8 Fuller-Panthers 27 53.8 68.5 51.3 47 238 9/55 54-1ff-1pd 369FS-139B 151 5 Hamlin-Bills 27 52.7 72.2 60.9 41.5 1042 14/27 89-2fl-1fr-5pd-2int 585FS-318B-107Slot 103 7 Clark-Jets 30 50.8 70.5 60 45.1 709 12/75 101-1fr-1ff-4pd 347FS-272B 118 6 Grant-Falcons 27 37.7 49.2 56.9 42.5 165 1/33 14-2fl-2pd 83FS-44S-33B 97.2 6 Epps-Raiders 29 46.9 63.5 70.9 44 176 3/45 19-2fl 115FS 99.8 3 Wallace-Seahawks 28 38.1 48.1 60 41.8 127 0/19 15-1pd 74FS-31B 118.7 Draft Order Cap S Age Overall Run D Pass Rush Coverage Snaps Starts 24/Career stats Position Passer rating vs Notes Strong Safety Reid-Chiefs 28 77.7 80.6 58 77 1112 16/102 87-5fl-9pd-2int 523B-328FS-177Slot 108.4 6 Moehring-Raiders 26 67.5 87.5 70.1 54.4 1099 17/64 104-5fl-3h-1s-2fr-10pd-2int 439B-361FS-191Slot 92.5 Chinn-Commanders 27 65.2 64.7 61 64.5 1207 17/67 117-7fl-3h-2s-2fr-1ff-5pd-1int 470B-369FS-222S 131.2 8 Murray-Texans 31 63.8 67.2 50.5 64.9 961 14/58 75-1fl-1h-1s-10pd-1int 352B-337FS-221Slot 103.7 2 2 McCleod-Browns 35 50.9 61.4 49.7 47.2 565 5/148 39-2fl-5pd-1fr 229B-176FS-133Slot 100.5 Geno Stone was bad..he can't tackle . Hopefully they cut him. Tyceen Anderson would be a better alternative. 1 Quote
claptonrocks Posted February 26 Report Posted February 26 17 hours ago, New Jersey Bengal said: If he can stay healthy Right... Quote
|BlackJesus| Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 Bengals should seriously consider drafting Xavier Watts, who Al Golden knows very well. And let him wear #0. 3 Quote
-GoBengals- Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 On 2/25/2025 at 9:45 AM, claptonrocks said: Geno Stone was bad..he can't tackle . Hopefully they cut him. Tyceen Anderson would be a better alternative. i am curious what they do here, Stone did tackle poorly but he had a few runs of solid play and played better in the past, so its going to be a matter of if Golden thinks the poor play was a result of the calls/scheme issues, or if they can do better/same for less. im fine with it either way, as ill trust their call on that one since we all have no idea.. 1 Quote
claptonrocks Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 4 hours ago, BlackJesus said: Bengals should seriously consider drafting Xavier Watts, who Al Golden knows very well. And let him wear #0. In what round are we talking about? 1st?....hell no 2nd?...doubtful with the holes we have. 3rd?....I'm in Quote
claptonrocks Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 Would Vonn Bell bite on a 2.5 yr deal? I think he'd like to go for a championship with this team. Be nice to have him as a reserve. Quote
MichaelWeston Posted February 27 Author Report Posted February 27 My Thoughts 1- Battle back and most likely starts 2- Stone I assume we cut him we save 6.5M 3-Bell I think is gone 4-Anderson-I think we'd all love to see some snaps from scrimmage for him 5-Key is back as futures 6-Jules is back as a futures....I really like Jules, he has a future 7-I think we will take the ND safety in the first round, I don't necessarily disagree that its too early but I think he will be seen as the centerpiece to make the D work. Quote
PatternMaster Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 10 hours ago, claptonrocks said: Would Vonn Bell bite on a 2.5 yr deal? I think he'd like to go for a championship with this team. Be nice to have him as a reserve. Bell is slow af, I be surprised if any team picked him up. I think his playing days are done. 3 Quote
PatternMaster Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 1 hour ago, MichaelWeston said: My Thoughts 1- Battle back and most likely starts 2- Stone I assume we cut him we save 6.5M 3-Bell I think is gone 4-Anderson-I think we'd all love to see some snaps from scrimmage for him 5-Key is back as futures 6-Jules is back as a futures....I really like Jules, he has a future 7-I think we will take the ND safety in the first round, I don't necessarily disagree that its too early but I think he will be seen as the centerpiece to make the D work. I think they will give Stone a shot with a new DC that can adjust his scheme to match the players on the roster. It seems like Lou waited until the season was over to make adjustments and simplify things for guys like Stone, whose play improved towards the season. I agree that his tackling left a lot to be desired but he does have value in coverage, he has 11 ints in the past 2 seasons, which makes him 2nd in the NFL behind Kerby Joseph with 13. 1 Quote
PatternMaster Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 15 hours ago, BlackJesus said: Bengals should seriously consider drafting Xavier Watts, who Al Golden knows very well. And let him wear #0. If Watts is there in the 2nd round I would take him, especially if they draft a DE in the first. He can come in and be a defense QB and make sure everyone is properly aligned, which was a big problem last year. Quote
sparky151 Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 16 hours ago, BlackJesus said: Bengals should seriously consider drafting Xavier Watts, who Al Golden knows very well. And let him wear #0. Assuming he tests ok, I'd be glad to get Watts at 49. He may not last that long but 17 is too early for him. It sounds like the Bengals are going to keep Stone around for a while, at least past the draft. That's fine, no guarantee he can be replaced in the draft. 12 hours ago, claptonrocks said: In what round are we talking about? 1st?....hell no 2nd?...doubtful with the holes we have. 3rd?....I'm in Free safety is one of several holes on our defense. Watts would be an upgrade from Stone, both as a tackler and in coverage. 12 hours ago, claptonrocks said: Would Vonn Bell bite on a 2.5 yr deal? I think he'd like to go for a championship with this team. Be nice to have him as a reserve. No thanks on Vonn. His time has passed. The team usually keeps 10 DBs on the 53, split either 4/6 or 5/5 between safety and CB. Vonn doesn't deserve one of the safety spots. 1 hour ago, PatternMaster said: I think they will give Stone a shot with a new DC that can adjust his scheme to match the players on the roster. It seems like Lou waited until the season was over to make adjustments and simplify things for guys like Stone, whose play improved towards the season. I agree that his tackling left a lot to be desired but he does have value in coverage, he has 11 ints in the past 2 seasons, which makes him 2nd in the NFL behind Kerby Joseph with 13. Maybe Stone has some trade value for a team whose front 7 is better in run defense? I wouldn't ask much for him. 1 hour ago, PatternMaster said: If Watts is there in the 2nd round I would take him, especially if they draft a DE in the first. He can come in and be a defense QB and make sure everyone is properly aligned, which was a big problem last year. Watts is also a playmaker, with lots of interceptions the last couple of years. Quote
T-Dub Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 I can't imagine Lou was running any defensive scheme that called for Stone to half-assedly shove the ball carrier as they ran past him. Tackling is mostly about want-to and he clearly did not. I don't think that's on the DC. 2 Quote
MichaelWeston Posted February 28 Author Report Posted February 28 Lots of starting safety options but no one really stands out to me Diggs-Lisfranc week 9, solid coverage scores, Already 32, 1 yr 3M last year, exceptional tackling last year, 120 career starts Ashtyn Davis-Not a lot of snaps but decent coverage and tackling last year, Balance snaps between FS, Box and Slot, 1yr 2.7M last year. 22 career starts Blackmon-27 and heading for a new deal after signing a 1 year 3.7M deal to go back to Indy, bad tackling last year, 62 career starts 16 last year Thornhill-Browns cap casualty, My browns fans buddies weren’t sad to see him go, injured to end the year, good coverage scores over his career, Mostly FS but also Box and Slot Forrest-UC alum from Columbus, Just 17 starts, 26 years old, fractured shoulder in 2024, started 11 games in 2023 and none in 2024 Mills-91 career starts, some at corner, primarily safety last 2 years Holland-Only 25, Bad coverage grade in 24 but great 21-23, Overall play down in 24, 57 career starts, Will Harris-Historically Meh PFF scores, 53 career starts, 13 in 24 Bynum-27, 54 career starts over last 3 years in Minnesota, Solid tackling and run D per PFF Mathieu-33 already, I am old, 171 career starts with 17 last year, coverage grade bad in 24 but great in 21-23 Simmons-32, 124 career starts including 16 last year, coverage seems to be falling off Cisco-Another 25 year old safety with lots of starts, down year in 24 but solid in 22-23, Hufanga-Lots of injuries but only 26, 37 career starts when not injured, Pinnock-26, surprisingly took over as a starter as a sophomore, not so great in coverage 39 career starts, 16 last year. Quote
|BlackJesus| Posted March 1 Report Posted March 1 At 6-foot-3 and 220 pounds, S Nick Emmanwori ran 4.38 seconds in the 40-yard dash with a 1.49-second 10-yard split. He had a 43-inch vertical and an 11-foot-6 broad jump. Giving him a perfect 10.0 RAS 😳 He's basically DK Metcalf as a DB ... Could be an option at pick 17. 1 2 Quote
sparky151 Posted March 1 Report Posted March 1 He has good tape too. A bit like David Fulcher though these days you can't blow up receivers like you could then. If the Bengals use an early pick as safety, I'd bet on Watts in round 2 over Starks or Emmanwori in round 1. Quote
BBR Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 Watts is a safe bet, but the potential of Emmanwori would be sooooo tempting if he dropped to 17. 2 Quote
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